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beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 09:47 AM

Sleep well! Valerie, I fell back to sleep and slept another 4 hours its 9:30 AM here and just woke up.

You're welcome Patti yes I am anxious to see how Snugs does with the bp machine, I will definitely post to the forums and let you all know. I hope you and Tipper have a happy and uneventful day :)

Yes Fromm has a very good reputation but very few stores carry it, but you can order online, but I agree it is a bit pricey, but well worth it if one can afford it.

I just called the hospital and the values on Snuggles records were the same as the print out, so I guess that's the official values for yesterdays visit. 140/120/110

I did ask if the vet that makes house calls can take blood pressure readings at home, they will let me know Monday since they have the 1 machine the assistant didn't know if they could leave the hospital w/o one to bring to the house. But the visit will cost me $125.00, he brings a tech with him as well which is steep compared to the 31.00 I pay for a bp reading at the vets.

On our bills from the vet Snugs gets a senior citizen discount hehe I think that's cute lol

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 09:56 AM

Yep, he does sound a lovely man and a keeper. I really think you will feel a lot better when you have the chat with him. Let him know you are tough and you need to hear the truth and all of it!!

I agree, I think you hit the nail on the head, I think he worries about my reaction since he has commented many times on how I feel about my boys and the lengths I go to make sure I leave no stone unturned.

I do cry easily in his office when some bad news is told and hide in a corner when my boys get their shots lol So I think he feels I may break or something and overcompensates for me by telling me not to worry.

But whether I worry or not, my only concern is for Snuggles and that he gets right and proper treatment at the right time, I will deal with it, I may appear weak on the outside when it comes to my boys but nothing would hurt me more than them not getting what they need, when they need it.

goldengirl88

12-28-2013, 11:14 AM

Vicki:
I wish they would give Tipper a discount for the most visits by a dog ever! Heck I could use any kind of discount. All I ever get is over charged!! I am going to contact Fromm and see if I can get some samples for Tipper to try. Blessings
Patti

molly muffin

12-28-2013, 11:55 AM

frijole

12-28-2013, 01:01 PM

Yep. Annie only had HBP once while at a vets office and she was hyper as hell at all times. LOL As time went on and I knew what I was dealing with I could pretty much tell when she was high. There was only one vet office in my town that has the bp eqpt. Was told they are very expensive and not used that often so most vet offices can't justify buying them.

You guys sure had fun last night.. I get worried when I see 3 pages that happen overnight! haha Hugs to all, Kim

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 05:22 PM

Oh my, I missed the last night, early morning conversations. :)

I just want to throw in, that this forum, is like, say a "safe place" where you can worry about anything, say what is on your mind and not have to fear anyone thinking you are the nutty pet owner, since we are all as proactive as possible when it comes to our furbabies.

hmmm, they only have one BP machine, think they need to invest in a portable for their in home vet. :)

Course my vet doesn't have a BP machine at all. Able to do laser surgery, etc, but no BP machine. It's like BP doesn't even cross their minds. I have to go to the vet hospital to get it done, not super convenient but will have it done when we get the next ultrasound.

Didn't Kim mention that with pheo's the BP is not consistently high? that is can spike? So, there are two possibilities, pheo (which the IMS is not convinced of) and various readings based upon stress levels while at the vet. Could be that Snugs responds differently to different people or that he feels more anxious on different trips.

I think you are doing excellent!
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Thanks Sharlene! Yes Snugs has always been a very hyper dog, never sits still for a second will walk around the house 100 times, I would have to put him for a nap because he would be over tired and become a little devil dog LOL that's when I knew it was time for a nap. Plus he is a big scardy cat, and very self protective when he gets poked and prodded, he even gets scared of a plastic bag blowing in the breeze hehe my big tuff guy that he is ;) So I am sure he gets really frightened from the bp readings.

I have been trying to condition him as of yesterday, holding his ankle on his front legs wrapping my hand around it as I pet him. I am hoping to get a reading while he is asleep. since he became a senior he sleeps very soundly and doesn't wake up from stimulus like he used to so I am hoping I can take a bp reading while he is asleep.

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 05:24 PM

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 05:26 PM

Sharlene just wanted to add that my vet said sometimes he wishes he didn't have a bp machine because sometimes it causes more trouble that isn't really there

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 05:29 PM

Patti good luck with the Fromm food I hope it works out for you, and yes vet bills are ridiculously high, I am glad I have pet insurance although at 14 years old for each dog the premiums are so high now, but I do get about 50%back and at times 80% back. I also have a cancer rider which I have been paying for since they were babies, due to my first beagle boy Cuddles succumbing to cancer, so every bit I get reimbursed helps.

Trish

12-28-2013, 05:32 PM

I will most definitely get pet insurance for any future animals that end up with me!! I think I could have bought a small car with all I have spent on Flynny in the last couple of years, still do not regret it for a second as he is worth every penny :D

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 05:33 PM

No doubt about it Trish he sure is!!!!

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 05:35 PM

Oh a follow-up on the bp machine I ordered, the company answered me and shipped it today priority mail and no extra charge, I should have it on Friday :)

oops just tracked it

Expected Delivery Date: December 30, 2013 YAY!!

Trish

12-28-2013, 05:41 PM

Excellent, I am waiting to hear your review about the BP machine, like a car test drive :D:D

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 05:50 PM

hehe yup It will be great if it matches close to the vets readings when we test it at his office. But you can be sure I will be checking his bp on Monday :)

I will let you all know..fingers and paws crossed!

molly muffin

12-28-2013, 05:56 PM

Snugs has no idea what he is in for! ROFL! Mum has a new toy! She will have BP readings!! hahahaha

Gads, I'm getting pet insurance too! Although I am thinking that after molly I might just do fostering and working with rescues. (course I'm sure I'll end up wanting to keep them all LOL) But that hopefully is far in the future. :)

hugs,
sharlene and Molly muffin

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 05:56 PM

new video of Snuggles with his Santa pull toy I just took, its a bit dark but I think light enough to see okay

http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Vicki-615/media/Untitled_zps62fd0b4b.mp4.html

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 05:58 PM

LOL OMG you know me so well hahaha, but I bet we all have that in common ;)

Yes Sharlene not for many many many more years

Trish

12-28-2013, 06:06 PM

haha yes I can see Snugs spying the BP machine with trepidation!!

Video is so cute, taking his toy to the crate so no one else gets it!! He is a lovely boy! Flynn, Mum and me went on a march once to save the beagles from animal testing, it filled up the main street. I always thought I would like to adopt one of those dogs and give them a happy life... might still do that one day!

molly muffin

12-28-2013, 06:12 PM

ohhh, someone Loves his christmas toy. um, is there anything left of it????

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

goldengirl88

12-28-2013, 06:24 PM

Vicki:
Snugs is so cute on the video, he is trying to eat the two headed elf. I like when he takes it into his crate to really work it over. He is so busy trying to pull it apart, but stops all of a sudden to look up at the camera. What a ham! I can't wait for the new bp toy to arrive. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 07:05 PM

Thank you Trish :) LOL you are so right Snugs is so much smarter than I am he is going to know for sure It is very hard to trick him that is why I am hoping I can take his bp while he is sleeping. I don't think I will stand a chance if he is awake lol

I have volunteered for a beagle rescue org for the past 13 years and they have done the same as you did rescue lab beagles. among other types of abuse and neglect. It is heart breaking the cases I see working closely with rescues organizations. Sometimes I want to quit because I just get so sick inside and can't get what I know out of my head. But ofc I don't but every time a herrific abuse case comes along I promise myself I am quitting.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for help rescuing those beagles.

hehe yup Snugs is very possessive over his toys and me! hehehe

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 07:06 PM

LOL thanks Patti, I can't wait either and so excited it will be here in 2 days!

beaglemom3

12-28-2013, 07:09 PM

LOL I took it away for a bit so yes it's still mostly in tact, he can have it again later and I am sure he will get to the stuffing this time.

I had to cook and then eat dinner and I like to keep an eye on my boys when they are playing with their toys, just in case, so had to put it aside for a bit.

Trish

12-30-2013, 03:08 AM

Has it arrived yet???? Enquiring minds want to know :D:D Hope your day went well and Snugs got into all sorts of mischief :D

goldengirl88

12-30-2013, 07:34 AM

Vicki:
I am hoping that Snugs BP monitor arrived by today. I guess everyone is anxious to see how this is going to go down! Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 07:38 AM

Has it arrived yet???? Enquiring minds want to know :D:D Hope your day went well and Snugs got into all sorts of mischief :D

Not yet Trish it is only 7:37 AM on Monday here in New York City. But it is supposed to be delivered today I would think by 3 PM I should have it depending when the mailman delivers the mail. He usually delivers earlier than that but that should be the latest I hope.

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 07:42 AM

Vicki:
I am hoping that Snugs BP monitor arrived by today. I guess everyone is anxious to see how this is going to go down! Blessings
Patti

Me too Patti! I just tracked it again and it still says expected delivery today, it says the package is in New York now, but not at my main PO yet, so I hope I get it today and not tomorrow.

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 10:52 AM

Out For Delivery AROOOOOOOOOOOO! (beagle howl) :)

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 01:30 PM

it was just delivered I will report what happens..soon wish me luck!

goldengirl88

12-30-2013, 01:36 PM

Good luck vicki, praying this works for you.

molly muffin

12-30-2013, 02:55 PM

I just checked in because you said by 3pm likely and it's 3pm! whoo hoo and it's arrived! Toy time, Snugs, just lay down and let her do her thing. It will all be over soon. Hahahaha

Okay, what did it show? Did Snugs let you take the reading? Not sure if I am excited or nerve wrecked here. LOL

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 03:18 PM

grrr I tried several times but my little boy will not cooperate and when he did cooperate cbeause I was shoving treats at him LOL I got errors, mostly due to me not setting it up right, will try again later

molly muffin

12-30-2013, 03:51 PM

I couldn't help laughing just a little. Knew that Snugs wasn't going to play along, just knew it! Okay, next plan, catch him while sleeping!

Practice on your finger maybe? So once he slips off to doggy dreamland, you can just slip that sucker on and get a reading before he knows whats happening

The adventure continues!

hugs,
Sharlene and molly Muffin

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 04:05 PM

LOL I knew it too, he is a tough cookie when it comes to these things for sure, he's very skittish. I just don't want to get bitten LOL I did get one reading but it was ridiculously low. I will try again soon

goldengirl88

12-30-2013, 04:35 PM

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 04:35 PM

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beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 04:38 PM

Vicki:
That is too funny that Snugs is not playing along with the new toy. I think once he realizes it won't hurt him it will work out. He just has to get used to it. I hope it all works out as it will be a great tool to help with his care. Blessings
Patti

well partly is my fault the few times he did cooperate I was doing it all wrong. I just watched a video by a vet giving detailed info on how and where to take the blood pressure.
So next time if Snugs cooperates I should hopefully get a valid reading and the new monitor gives MAP and HR as well.

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 05:43 PM

I decided to use the monitor on Brando worked great! Branny is a very calm dog who would never try and bite if frightened lol Brannys reading are as follows:
105/83 MAP 91 HR 112 (he was so scared lol)

But its Snugs that we need to I will try later again.

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 06:40 PM

I finally did it! I took it while Snugs was having his dinner. When foods involved he notices nothing.

BP-145/116 . MAP 125, HR 78 matches up with the vet's Fridays readings wheew! I am so relieved and my suspicions were wrong. OFC he wasn't keeping still, he was eating, moving his head and body a bit.

molly muffin

12-30-2013, 08:08 PM

Hey that is great that it matches up with the vets readings Now you know the trick, its all about the food Beagle world does have it's plus's eh. :) hehehe

Also you have a comparison dog too with Brando, who will let you do anything. Nice to have that. :)

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 09:26 PM

frijole

12-30-2013, 09:30 PM

Keep it up and you will be a vet before you know it. :D Kim

beaglemom3

12-30-2013, 10:45 PM

LOL Kim.
I am hoping that if Snugs can get used to the home monitor maybe he won't be as upset when they take it at the vet.

goldengirl88

12-31-2013, 08:48 AM

Vicky:
I knew you were determined to get this done. Great job! I am so happy you can do this at home now and not have to worry. It will be the icing on the cake when it is checked out at the vets. I have to find out all the particulars on this from you. I am just thrilled beyond words that this worked. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

12-31-2013, 08:53 AM

Thank you Patti, I am very pleased with the monitor and it says on the box its a professional medical device, it is like no other home bp monitor I have bought or seen. I never saw one giving you MAP readings and settings to changed from adult to pediatric to neonatal (infants) It also comes with an SPO2 thingy, not real sure yet what that is it may be the blood oxygen level, I will have to read up on it in the manual, comes with an usb cable to connect to the net to record readings, a mini cd to install stuff, it seems like a real good monitor. Ask me anything you would like to know and I will answer to the best of my ability.

I will try and get 1 more reading from Snuggles today and then not take it until I bring him back to vet for their bp readings, unless something happens that warrants me to take a reading at home.

beaglemom3

12-31-2013, 11:03 AM

Snuggles was such a good boy he let me take his bp twice, about 10 minutes apart

First reading:
BP-117/93
HR-80
MAP-96

Second Reading
BP-127/89
HR-73
MAP-101

Next readings will be at the vet next week.

beaglemom3

12-31-2013, 11:22 AM

This is Snuggles 2 weeks after the surgery
http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Vicki-615/media/snugs2weeksafter.mp4.html

Trish

12-31-2013, 03:46 PM

Yay it's arrived and you mastered it already!! Well done You! Those recordings all look good too, what a relief! Have a great New Year's Eve! x

beaglemom3

12-31-2013, 07:01 PM

Thank you Trish ;) A Happy and Healthy New year for you Flynn and your entire family!

goldengirl88

01-01-2014, 07:44 AM

Vicki:
Hoping you and the babies have a wonderful New Year and that Snugs can stay healthy in the New Year. I am so thrilled you are able to reads the bp at home. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

01-01-2014, 08:47 AM

Thanks so much Patti! We had a great time last night, and OMG Snuggles was at his mischievous best LOL somehow he got a small container of his low fat treats off the dining room table, knocked it on the floor and had a feast LOL He picked our pockets and ran away with dollar bills, tissues you name it
He is my 14 year old puppy for sure!

I wish you and Tipper the same, a healthy and happy year with many many more years after.

beaglemom3

01-01-2014, 08:59 AM

Happy and Healthy New Year to all and their furbabies and families.

goldengirl88

01-01-2014, 09:19 AM

Vicki;
Snuggles is just too much, he is just acting like a puppy again. I hope he continues to do so as he seems like such a joy when he is getting into mischief. Blessings
Patti

molly muffin

01-01-2014, 11:08 AM

Happy New Year to you, Vicki and Snuggles and Brando too :)

beaglemom3

01-01-2014, 04:05 PM

Vicki;
Snuggles is just too much, he is just acting like a puppy again. I hope he continues to do so as he seems like such a joy when he is getting into mischief. Blessings
Patti

LOL he is Patti I love that about him, his zest for life, everyday is a party and everything a toy for him, just like my beloved Cuddles.
He makes me laugh every single day. I call him my little goofball ;)

I love Brando just as much but he is different, I never saw or had a sweeter more gentle dog than him, he's as lovable and sweet as they get.

beaglemom3

01-01-2014, 04:05 PM

Happy New Year to you, Vicki and Snuggles and Brando too :)

thank you!!

beaglemom3

01-06-2014, 08:48 AM

I take another bp reading today, wish me luck! I will post the results. I will probably bring Snuggles in Wednesday or tomorrow for the vets readings and monitor comparison.

beaglemom3

01-06-2014, 09:51 AM

bp
119/86
MAP
92
HR
83

Looks good to me just hoping its close to the vets doppler

molly muffin

01-06-2014, 12:10 PM

Yep, looks good to me too and if it matches the vets readings, then it will certainly give you some peace of mind, since that would be twice you were on target with what they came up with.

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

beaglemom3

01-06-2014, 12:42 PM

Thanks Molly and I agree with you :)

Trish

01-07-2014, 04:39 AM

Wooohooo, great BP!! Good old Snugs!! Love to see good results :D, when does he go in for the vets BP check? Has he been doing good otherwise? x

beaglemom3

01-07-2014, 07:54 AM

Hiya Trish, Yes so far no symptoms I can tell and still acting like a puppy, Thank God. I wanted to go today but we have a winter weather alert here with absolutely frigid temps. So hopefully tomorrow I can bring Snugs in I am really anxious to see the difference in readings, hoping its not too big of one.

goldengirl88

01-07-2014, 08:17 AM

Vicki:
It is so good to hear that Snugs is not exhibiting any symptoms and I pray that you BP reading matches that of the vet. I am so glad you were able to get his readings and that they were good ones. It is so frigid here today that I do not even want Tipper to go out to potty, but she would never go in the house or on pee pads. Even while drinking tons of water before being diagnosed, she never went in the house. She is my little hero. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

01-07-2014, 05:35 PM

God Bless Her Patti, I didn't go today was frigid here, hopefully tomorrow or Friday, Friday supposed to be in 40s F

goldengirl88

01-08-2014, 11:46 AM

Vicki:
Frigid here today and took Tipper out in it for nothing, the girl never showed up to do her BP and the Dr. was not there. I am steamed , they just think I travel 40 miles for the fun of it?? Hope you and the babied have a good day, and can't wait to see about the bp reading at the vets. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

01-08-2014, 11:53 AM

That's is terrible Patti! Maybe for next time call ahead to make sure someone is there to take her bp readings. I would have been upset too!

I got hit with a vertigo attack last night (I have an inner ear disease since I am a teenager called Meniere's Disease, no known cure or cause :() I feel pretty crappy today so hopefully I can bring Snugs in on Friday.

beaglemom3

01-11-2014, 06:53 PM

sorry I haven't been posting lately, I been ill. I have an inner ear disorder since I am 13 called Meniere's Disease. I get vertigo attacks and lose all of my equilibrium and following that I usually get sick for a week or so. I had a vertigo attack last Tuesday and have feeling virusy after the attacked past.

I haven't been able to bring Snuggles in to the vet for his bp reading this week, so I am hoping to be able to on Monday, but he is acting fine still (thank God) and I will take his bp tomorrow, a day early than his weekly at home reading since I couldn't get to the vet this week.

But he did have a few bouts today of loose stool, not diarrhea but loose. I am keeping an eye on that.

molly muffin

01-11-2014, 07:39 PM

oh wow Vicki, so sorry to hear that you have been ill and had a vertigo attack. That's rough and we totally understand. You have to take care of yourself too!!

Yep, keep an eye on the loose stools as it can signify that something else is playing havoc on the system. Do you have anything like florifora (probiotic) to maybe put on his food and see if that helps, or plain pumpkin too if it gets too loose?

Thanks for checking in on Molly and me, we're doing okay :)

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

beaglemom3

01-11-2014, 07:52 PM

Thank you Sharlene :) I had florifora but it expired, we just threw it out :(. If he still has it tomorrow I will call the vet they are open 24/7 and the boys vet gave me his cell and home number to call him when I feel it is necessary.

Glad you and Molly are doing well, I hope your hubby gets well quickly!

goldengirl88

01-12-2014, 08:31 AM

Vicki:
Sorry to hear Snugs has loose stool. You are very vigilant so I know you will get it in check. Boy I wish my vets were as forth coming as you with the phone numbers. Mine seem to want to give you the impression of do not bother me after hours for any reason. It is so nice to find a vet that truly cares about the well being of the patient. I am glad you are better because that disease is awful, I know form experience. You do not even want to lift you head or move it on you pillow. Hope you are feeling good enough that you can get Snugs to the vets as we are all waiting on the bp results! Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

01-12-2014, 09:45 AM

Yes Patti he is wonderful to us, I am very lucky and yes that disease is horrific.
Snugs stool has been formed today, thank goodness, so I guess it has passed whatever caused it.

I'm gonna try and take his bp today and hopefully I will be able to get to the vet tomorrow.

beaglemom3

01-12-2014, 10:19 PM

I just took Snugs bp, he stands when I take it and moved a bit and moves the leg that the cuff is on not too much but the isn't perfectly still.

BP- 134/112
MAP 116
HR-89

molly muffin

01-12-2014, 11:03 PM

Hi Vicki,

Was Snugs standing and moving around when you took the reading on the 6 Jan? when it was 119/86

I would probably recheck a couple times, as I know that the vets often will take several throughout the day, discard the highest and lowest and average the others.

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

beaglemom3

01-12-2014, 11:18 PM

That day he had just woken up from a morning so he was low keyed. Tonight he was prancing around the house looking to make mischievous right before I took it lol. Its still a good reading I think.
the diastolic can be a bit lower but normal for a beagle is
systolic
140 ± 15
diastolic
79 ± 13
Pulse Rate
104 ± 16

I will be taking him tomorrow to the vet (as long as I feel ok) so didn't want to put him through it several times tonight.

Trish

01-13-2014, 05:00 AM

Meniere's is an awful disease, my Dad had it and it was so debilitating. He ended up having surgery to his ear, lost his hearing in that ear but at least the terrible whirling vertigo and nausea/vomiting subsided. He still gets the tinnitus though and his surgery was in the mid 90s. Hope your feeling better tomorrow.

Love to hear Snuggles is prancing :D BP is good.. I bet that first one today was due to his movement, those numbers bit too close together so write that one off :). So all he needs is a settled down tummy!! Good luck at the vets tomorrow, are you going to take your machine and double check it at the vets, hopefully they would give similar results. x

goldengirl88

01-13-2014, 11:01 AM

Hi Vicki:
Glad to hear you are going to the vets tomorrow. I had Tipper there this morning for her bp too. She has got to get this weight off. Hope all goes well and that the readings match up. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

01-13-2014, 03:40 PM

Hi all,
Back from vet. The Doppler and my machine gave different readings.

Vets Doppler Right Front Leg
BP
160/105
HR 80
Map
125
=========
BP-180/95
HR-95
Map-120
========
BP- 225
HR-90
MAP130
=====
Vets Doppler Left Front Leg
BP-170/95
HR 90
Map-155
============
BP-235/100
HR-80
Map-145
=====
Vets Doppler Left Rear Leg
BP-145/105
HR-85
MAP-125

My Monitor Used at Vets-Right Front Leg
BP-146/61
HR-70
MAP-104
======
BP-124/74
HR-75
MAP-68

If we drop the highest and lowest at vet there is a difference between monitors but my interpretation of it is, Snugs is used to mine so he may be more relaxed with that on him.

also if you notice one reading for each leg on the vets Doppler is on the lower end.

My vet said none of it is precise and the only way to evaluate is by a trend. If all readings on his machine were over 200, then that would be more meaningful.

And even though my monitors readings come out lower, if all of a sudden my home monitor read much higher consistently that is meaningful too.

His advice is to keep taking it once a week and if I see it going up on a consistent basis to let him know, and of course bring him in for the Doppler readings.

Trish so sorry to hear your dad suffers with Meniere's too but glad he has relief from the surgery. It is a God awful thing to live with.

goldengirl88

01-14-2014, 05:42 PM

Vicki:
Sorry the bp's did not match, but I am inclined to think you are right about Snugs being calm at home. Have to go to sleep, I am exhausted and up in the morning again for Tipper. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

01-15-2014, 08:11 AM

Thanks Patti, I am not discouraged by the discrepancies. They only took 2 reading with mine and a lot more with theirs, and the one from mine isn't too off from a couple of theirs. Also too if mine is consistently higher than it usually is that would tell me something and alert me to bring him in for their readings. So it will serve the purpose.

Forgot to mention my vet said Snugs readings were all over the place so it is hard to tell which of all the readings are the more accurate ones, then said maybe my machine is more accurate than his, I laughed, :)
I hope you get your rest.

frijole

01-15-2014, 12:46 PM

Just chiming in to say that I wouldn't be surprised by the variations in readings because my understanding is that pheos cause the BP to spike and so when they are not active I would suspect normal readings and when active they would be high. So from a monitoring perspective I would look for increases in the spikes. Kim

beaglemom3

01-15-2014, 09:18 PM

Thanks Kim :) and I will do that for sure.

Trish

01-17-2014, 04:40 PM

HI Vicki

There was a bit of variability there on those BP readings even on the vets only ones. So hope yours are consistently good, even if there was some discrepancy in the accuracy of the different machines I agree with your vet if you saw yours going up then it could be cause for concern. Hope all going good and you are feeling better too!! Hugs for Snugs and you too x

goldengirl88

01-17-2014, 05:24 PM

Vicki:
You are a great mom and you are up on everything with Snugs so I know if there is a problem with his bp you will be right on it. How is the weather holding out? Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

01-23-2014, 08:16 PM

Sorry I haven't been posting. My inner ear is causing me a lot of issues because of the Meniere's Disease, sinus infections, weather conditions etc. I have not been feeling great. It is hard for me to read, the light is playing havoc with my eyes, brain fog etc(all due to inner ear disease I have)

Snugs is still showing no outward symptoms Thank God. His bp at home is low normal.
He is as funny and mischievous as always, my sweet little boy who lights up my life every minute of every day and never fails to make me laugh with his shenanigans.

In about 2 weeks I will be bringing him in for another ultrasound. I am praying the tumor has not grown.

When I can I will go through the posts I have missed a little at a time and catch up. I hope all the furbabies have been well and doing good.

molly muffin

01-23-2014, 08:26 PM

Vicki, so sorry that you are having the awful inner ear problems. The ears can sure play havoc on our lives. :(

So glad that Snuggs continues to do well and is the same mischievous little boy as always. Good that his BP has stayed normal too. Hope that is a good sign for the ultrasound to come.

You take it easy and don't over do the computer stuff.

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

goldengirl88

01-24-2014, 08:08 AM

Hi Vicki:
I am so sorry to hear you have been ill with ear problem. I know how miserable that must have been. Good thing you have some furry babies to keep your spirits up. So glad that Snugs is showing no signs of problems, and that his BP continues to be good. This arctic vortex is for the birds! It is to get worse next week!! Tipper is so bored she can't hardly take it anymore. She wants out and needs to walk. Stay safe and warm Blessings
Patti

goldengirl88

01-26-2014, 08:02 AM

Vicki:
I am hoping you are well and not having another episode with the inner ear. That is so miserable it is hard to describe to people how mush it affects you. How is Snugs doing? Frigid here and a lot of snow on the ground. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

01-31-2014, 07:10 PM

Hi everyone,
I think I resolved my recent inner ear set back, it seems walnuts were trigger Meniere's attacks, since I stopped I feel much better, I had other health issues and waiting for biopsy report on me.

I just came home and spent 5 hours at the vets none of it is good news, I am heart broken. The ultrasound for Snuggles showed the tumor grew fast in 7 weeks, 1 cm, it is now 3.5 cm as opposed to 7 weeks ago 2.5 cm. His lymph nodes are also enlarged but doc said they ere on last ultrasound as well and no difference in their size.
Doc feels Snuggles tumor is malignant due to the fast rate of growth. His chest x-ray was clear. I have to make a decision to go ahead with the surgery or not. I will have the written report tomorrow, the sonographer was still writing it up when we left.

Snugs is still acting fine God Bless my little boy, I am not ready to lose him! but we are never ready ;(

Then another shocker, I showed doc something growing on Brando's underside, doc had no idea what it was, he did a needle aspiration and is sending it off, will get the results Tuesday. Doc was concerned and said let's do an ultrasound on Brando, ofc I agreed. Brando's lvier is enlarged and he needs a liver biopsy, that will be done Wednesday after the biopsy results are back.

They saw a tumor in Brando's adrenal gland, yes a tumor, I am still in shock so is doc and the sonographer. Looks like a pheo, will have that report tomorrow.

I can't express how devastated I am and how heart broken I am and worried how much I want to cry but afraid if I cry again I will never stop.

I need to rest but I hope all your babies are well. I do need to catch up on everyone, but right now I am going to lay down, I am physically and emotionally exhausted.

goldengirl88

01-31-2014, 07:39 PM

Vicki:
I am devastated for you. This is just the most awful and frightening news anyone
could imagine getting. My heart is breaking for you. I wish there was something I could say or do to make it all better. I can imagine how crushed you are. We are all here for you any time you want to talk. God bless you and your sweet babies.Iam praying for a miracle for your precious babies, and for you dear Vicki.
Blessings
Patti

molly muffin

01-31-2014, 09:53 PM

Oh my gosh Vicki!!

I seriously have to take this in. Okay, first off, are they doing a CT scan to find out if Snuggles tumor has spread to anywhere else if it is malignant? Does this change what the surgeon you spoke with originally thinks? The one who would do the surgery and did on his own dog? What is the prognosis if you don't do surgery based on how fast this is growing and what are the chances Now if you do the surgery?

So many things to think about.

Oh my god, I cannot imagine it!!! Brando has an adrenal tumor too?!! That they also think is a pheo? Two in the same household, almost defies belief, how horrible.
And you waiting on results for yourself too. Lord woman. There is such a thing as overload and I think you must have hit it at least a month ago.
Do take care of yourself.
:( I am so sorry and yes devastated to hear this news too, for the boy and for you.

Big hugs, get some rest,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

doxiesrock912

02-01-2014, 03:26 AM

Vicki,
Omg! This is horrible news and now both have tumors.
I'm praying that something can be done for Snuggles and Bondo.

On the plus side, both of them are healthy otherwise so surgery could be done without complications if you decide to go that route, right?

This is unbelievable and I'm praying for all of you.

Trish

02-01-2014, 04:14 AM

OMG, I am in shock right along with you Vicki. Unbelievable both your boys have similar problems.

Was this done on that new ultrasound scanner?? The 4D one? I think you need to get both of them back to your surgeon and go over it with him. So pleased they are both doing good right now, that has to count for something! If surgery is the way to go having them well now is going to be real important with recovery. I sure have my fingers crossed for good results for Snuggles and Brando - are they brothers?? I keep telling Flynn he has been given dodgy genes getting two separate cancers, we was a rescue so we don't know anything about where he came from or parents health. I just hope perhaps Brando's is just a nodule and the biopsies are fine. Man I want to give you a big hug, especially as you have been through your own health problems and I hope your own biopsy is clear too. xxxxxx

goldengirl88

02-01-2014, 07:54 AM

Vicki:
I know you will do what is best for your babies, but I too am wondering if they were from the same litter? I have seen a few others on here that have had more than one cush dog at a time. I wish this was not happening, but the boys seem in good health right now and that would surely add to the pluses of surgery to get rid of this once and for all. You have had so many things to deal with this is not fair. I am glad you have a lot of faith and trust in your surgeon as that means a lot. I am praying this all turns out well and that your boys will be fine. blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-01-2014, 01:32 PM

Thank you all so very much. It is very difficult for me to post about or even think about.

They are not related, Snuggles I got from a reputable breeder in NJ and Brando I rescued from Florida we bought him a plane ticket and flew him to NYC. Doc said he and the sonographer do and have seen 1000's of ultrasounds and rarely if ever come across a pheo tumor, and to have in seen twice in my dogs is shocking them. I will know more if my Lovable cherished Brando has cancer when the needle aspiration biopsy comes back and after his liver biopsy.

As for my cherished lovable Snuggles when I get all the reports I will be emailing them to the Specialist I saw in Manhattan and see what she says.

After hours of speaking to our vet he told me about the adrenal tumor they believe they see in Branny at the end of our discussion. He was so hesitant to tell us, he found it difficult to lay all this bad news on us at once.

When I said I want a copy of all the reports, referring to the 2 ultrasounds, he said Vicki it is bad. So I am not sure what I will be reading and I hope he told me everything there is to tell. He so sweet caring and taking this personally, I am hoping he didn't hold back anything yesterday.

My vet said he feels Snuggles would die on the operating table if we were to opt for the surgery.

My heart is so broken about my two boys.

Hugs and good health to all your babies.

molly muffin

02-01-2014, 02:39 PM

Okay, some very deep breaths are needed here. I'd get the reports, send them to the specialist and make sure that the surgeon who earlier evaluated Snuggs film, sees these too. Remember that the specialist and surgeon before, both had a varied opinion from your vet. So, I think it's important to get everyone's opinion, in order to have the best overall picture of the situation.
What could make your vet say it's bad? and to answer that, if I had to guess, I'd say it has spread. The question is how far has it spread. Into what areas.
We have another member, new while you've been away sick, is going through the exact same thing with her dog, on the other side of the country.
This is horribly difficult Vicki, and we are right here with you. I hope that can bring you some comfort.
Big hugs sweetie,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Trish

02-01-2014, 03:26 PM

God they haven't got the scans mixed up have they and labelled Brando's wrong?? Just grasping at straws here :eek: as the coincidence seems unbelievably unfair.

My vet said he feels Snuggles would die on the operating table if we were to opt for the surgery. - with all due respect to your local vet he is not the one doing the surgery, I believe the surgeon is the one to give you the best advice on this. He seems a very knowledgeable guy from what you have said previously and would not operate on a dog who had an overwhelming risk of death during surgery. It can and does happen, but my local vet told me he has seen hardly any adrenalectomy's done in dogs, the surgery is out of his experience which is the same as most local vets. I would never push anyone into surgery but I do agree with Sharlene totally that you need the opinion of the specialists.

Keep the faith Vicki, we are waiting along with you for the results xxx

beaglemom3

02-01-2014, 04:07 PM

Good points Trish and Sharlene,
I will see what the specialist and surgeon say. They took my boys in one at a time so while she was doing Brando's my vet went to see how it was going, and he did same with Snugs, went in to check on how it was going, so no chance of an error here unfortunately. Yes it was the 4D machine, that is what they use now routinely.

and yes you all being there is helping me emotionally. I am a total wreck, been crying on and off all day and very depressed, which is unusual for me I am usually an upbeat positive person and need the understanding and support of people who love and feel the same way about their pets as I do, which you all do, not everyone I know in real life here does ;(

doxiesrock912

02-01-2014, 05:52 PM

We're here for you Vicki. Whenever you need us.

beaglemom3

02-01-2014, 07:02 PM

Thank you very much Valerie

drmvz

02-01-2014, 08:43 PM

Thoughts and prayers for You, Brando and Snuggles.
Dr.Mike

Harley PoMMom

02-01-2014, 11:34 PM

You all are in my thoughts and prayers, sending love and strength, Lori

goldengirl88

02-02-2014, 07:44 AM

Vicki:
Praying hard for you, Snugs, and Brando for a miracle. God Bless you all I am thinking of you always. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-02-2014, 01:19 PM

Thank you Dr Mike, Lori and Patti. I can't wait to get the written report (his words, Vicki is it bad, is haunting me) I was told Monday when I called yesterday. Doc did a bleeding blood panel on Brando and it came back normal, meaning his clot factor is normal, I guess he needed to know this for the liver biopsy.

I had an awful day yesterday just stayed with my boys and cried a lot during the periods I was away from them.

I woke up at 4 am and all the bad news came rushing into my mind, so I just held them and kissed them until I fell back to sleep again.

Tomorrow or Tuesday we get the biopsy results from the needle aspiration done on Brando, Wednesday a liver biopsy from Brando but in afternoon I had made an apt to get my biopsy results.

After I send Snuggles and Brando's ultrasound report to the specialist and surgeon I will need to make decisions. So many things going on my mind jumps from one to the other and this waiting for those written reports and biopsy results are making it worse, I am not a patient person when it comes to these things.
Thanks so much for listening.

molly muffin

02-02-2014, 01:39 PM

Well I wouldn't have much patience in that situation either Vicki. It's important to go get our biopsy results too, so do that.

Eventually there will be decisions to be made, yes, but not yet and not until you know ever possible thing you can know, in order to make those decisions.

It's true, not everyone understands how we are with our pets, that they are family members, that we worry about them and want the best for them and will look at all options to give them the best life possible. It can make it more difficult to not have that support in our regular daily lives. When that happens, it's really good to have a forum like this where you will get all the support you could possibly want. :)

Hang in there Vicki, we need to get through this week in order to see what the next one brings. :)

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

beaglemom3

02-02-2014, 11:54 PM

Thank you Sharlene I am trying to hang in there, because I know they need me to and I need to be clear headed so I can do the best for my boys.

doxiesrock912

02-03-2014, 01:56 AM

Thinking of you all Vicki and still praying.

goldengirl88

02-03-2014, 08:14 AM

Vicki:
If anyone can hang in there you can. I know you will stay strong for your boys. I know the terrible feeling you have inside. When they told me Tipper had an adrenal tumor I could barely drive home, so I know how you must be feeling. We are all waiting with you and hoping for the best. I pray your boys get a miracle from God. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-03-2014, 05:09 PM

Thanks so much Patti,
Well it is 5 PM here and no written results came in so I am hoping tomorrow.
and my vet wasn't in today I would have asked him WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT IS BAD! what else don't I know, but his daughter is in labor and he did not go to the hospital today. It's ncie hearing god news amidst all my bad news, a new baby..sweet.

I mentioned I was waiting for biopsy results, but I forgot I had another biopsy taken on my leg and it came back squamous cell carcinoma :( but my dr said it won't spread and but we need to remove it. So I feel lucky that it is not the real bad cancer. The other biopsy results I am waiting for will be real bad if it turns out cancerous and the way things are going here I am real worried. It was a uterine wall biopsy, excruciatingly painful procedure.

molly muffin

02-03-2014, 05:25 PM

Hi Vicki, it doesn't have to be bad, bad, as they can remove it if it isn't too big and can get some clear margins.

I know though that it is all probably driving you crazy between your stuff going on and both the boys.

Nice about a new baby. Hoping that you get results tomorrow at the latest.

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

beaglemom3

02-03-2014, 07:53 PM

Thank you Sharlene that makes me feel a lot better :)

doxiesrock912

02-03-2014, 08:52 PM

How frightening Vicki,

medical science has come so far when it comes to cancer treatment. My father was diagnosed with stage 3B lung cancer at 79 years old. He had 7 weeks of radiation (5 days a week) and chemo (once a week) and so far, he's still considered cancer free and he did not need surgery.

We're still praying for all of you and congrats to your vet on the new grandchild.

beaglemom3

02-03-2014, 11:28 PM

That's wonderful! Valerie God Bless him. Thank you and everyone for their prayers, I know they will help.

doxiesrock912

02-04-2014, 12:35 AM

Vicki,

I really do believe that prayers do help.
My father was diagnosed exactly two weeks before my mother passed away from a massive stroke. I was so afraid that he was going to give up.

beaglemom3

02-04-2014, 08:32 AM

it is wonderful that he fought it and won!

I found this interesting study on phoes, what caught my eye was more than half of the dogs that were followed for 9 years with pheo tumors did not die due to the tumor but for other causes.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8064661

Abstract

Fifty dogs with pheochromocytoma were identified in a retrospective study of a 9-year period. For 24 of 50 dogs (48%), the tumor was an incidental finding during necropsy or surgery. Presenting signs were referrable to the nervous system in 7 of the 26 symptomatic dogs (27%); were referrable to the cardiopulmonary system in 7 of 26 dogs (27%); or were nonspecific, reflecting general systemic disease, in 17 of 26 dogs (65%). Abnormal clinical findings were highly varied but were also generally referrable to the cardiopulmonary and nervous systems. Six of 7 dogs (86%) evaluated were hypertensive (systolic range, 164 to 325 mm Hg; diastolic range, 110 to 198 mm Hg). Serum biochemical findings were nonspecific, although 11 of 39 dogs (28%) were hypercholesterolemic. Abdominal fluid samples were analyzed in 6 dogs; 3 were nondiagnostic, and 3 were interpreted as lymphosarcoma. The imaging studies that were of most value included abdominal radiographs (mass identified in 9 of 16 dogs [56%]), caudal vena caval angiography (tumor thrombus correctly diagnosed in 4 of 7 dogs [57%]), and abdominal ultrasonography (mass seen in 5 of 6 dogs [83%] and tumor thrombus seen in 3 of 5 dogs [60%]). Local tumor invasion was present in 26 of 50 dogs (52%), regional lymph node metastases in 6 of 50 dogs (12%), and distant metastases in 12 of 50 dogs (24%). Cause of death was tumor-related in 19 of 50 dogs (38%) and non-tumor related in 28 of 50 dogs (54%).

goldengirl88

02-04-2014, 09:31 AM

Vicki:
Big hugs from Tipper and I to you and the boys. I am praying for all of you to come thru this with good results. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-04-2014, 12:33 PM

Thanks Patti, I called them 30 minutes ago and no written report from the ultrasound doctor yet, I am pretty annoyed. They told me she is coming there today and they will ask her when it will be ready.
Also Brando's biopsy results are not back either *SIGH* this waiting is un nerving

goldengirl88

02-04-2014, 02:36 PM

OMG I feel do bad for you Vicki. This situation is bad enough, but now the waiting game??? Surely they must know you are on pins and needles waiting. Sending you strength and love from Tipper and I. Blessings
Patti

molly muffin

02-04-2014, 05:03 PM

Yuck! I hate waiting on important things like this!!

hang in there Vicki!
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

beaglemom3

02-04-2014, 10:13 PM

Thanks Sharlene and Patti, well no written report :( but they called me back and promised it will be there tomorrow, they called the sonographer and that is what she told them.
No biopsy results back from Brando's needle aspiration biopsy either and our vet still didn't come in so looks like no liver biopsy for Brando tomorrow.

I am very frustrated besides worry to death about my boys. "sigh"

goldengirl88

02-05-2014, 08:40 AM

Vicki:
So I am guessing the report will come today then? I am so sorry you are going thru all this especially with your own health issues. I pray this comes early today so you are not waiting all day again. I am thinking of you and said special prayers for your boys last nite with my Tipper. I am sending you strength and positive vibes to get you thru the day. God Bless You All.
Patti

beaglemom3

02-05-2014, 08:44 AM

Hi Patti,
Thanks so much for your prayers,
Yes today, I hope but they said today. and today I get my biopsy back from gyno, the weather is horrible here, I am wondering if she will be open, I sure hope I get my results today. I need to move to next step for my boys and me no matter what results are for the 3 of us.

goldengirl88

02-05-2014, 11:54 AM

Vicki:
I feel so bad for you, I am waiting and keep checking for any news on you or your boys. I am praying for good results for all of you. This has to be overwhelming and I realize how you must be feeling. I pray you hear soon as I am right with you waiting. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-05-2014, 12:05 PM

Thank you Patti I feel so bad for you as well this waiting is horrendous, but they just called and are emailing me both written reports for the ultrasounds, and Brando's needle aspiration biopsy results are in and my vet is in today too and will call me with results later.

beaglemom3

02-05-2014, 12:09 PM

Snuggles Ultrasound
Date of Examination: 1/31/14
Invoice: 1148
Hospital: Bay Street AH
DVM Requesting Exam: Dr. Cohen
Patient’s Name: Snuggles Sommers
Signalment: 14 yrs, Male neutered, Beagle

HISTORY: Patient had a history of a pheochromocytoma diagnosed in November 2013. The patient has had a history of mild hypertension and is not currently on any medical management. The previous abdominal ultrasound measured the right adrenal gland at 2.55 x 1.52 cm and the left adrenal gland at 1.62 x 0.47 cm.

EXAM: The urinary bladder, trigone and pelvic urethra were visualized in the caudal abdomen. The urinary bladder mucosa appeared mildly thickened at this time. The prostate was of normal size. The pelvic urethra was within normal limits. The kidneys were of normal size and contour. The corticomedullary definition was normal with a small amount of age related changes. Medullary echogenicity differed distinctly from that of the cortex and no evidence or dilation could be seen. No overt pathology was noted at this time. The left adrenal gland was of normal shape and size measuring 2.03 cm in length x 0.48 cm in thickness at the cranial pole and 0.64 cm in thickness at the caudal pole. The right adrenal gland was enlarged, heterogenic, and mass-like residing in close proximity to the caudal vena cava. The right adrenal gland measured 3.60 cm in length x 1.52 cm in thickness at the cranial pole and 1.36 cm in thickness at the caudal pole. The spleen presented with a smooth, non-deviating capsule and homogeneous parenchyma. The spleen was of normal echogenicity and was hyperechoic to the liver. There was no evidence of infarction, neoplasia or chronic inflammatory processes. Examination of the cranial abdomen demonstrated normal liver size and contour. The liver parenchyma appeared coarse at this time. Although, no overt nodules or masses were seen. The gallbladder appeared normal with anechoic content. Examination of the gastrointestinal tract revealed echogenic ingesta within the lumen of the stomach. Slightly thickened mucosal layer of the small intestine was seen along with mild mesenteric lymphadenopathy was observed (1.78 x 0.72 cm). No overt GI masses or obstructive patterns were seen at this time. The right and left limbs of the pancreas were observed to be largely isoechoic to surrounding omental fat. Pancreatic duct and capsular contour were acceptably normal.

DIAGNOSIS: 1. Mildly thickened bladder mucosa – differential diagnoses include incidental finding, chronic cystitis, and less likely transitional cell carcinoma
2. Enlarged, heterogenic, mass-like right adrenal gland – this appears somewhat larger than the previous abdominal ultrasound. It does reside in close proximity to the caudal vena cava and may be consistent with an adenocarcinoma or a pheochromocytoma.
3. Full stomach
4. Mild mesenteric lymphadenopathy with a mildly thickened mucosal layer of the small intestine – differential diagnoses include enteritis, inflammatory bowel disease, and infiltrative disease
5. Coarse hepatic parenchyma – differential diagnoses include age-related change, inflammatory disease, and infiltrative disease
COMMENTS: The right adrenal gland does appear somewhat larger than the last abdominal ultrasound performed approximately 1 ½ months ago. It does reside in close proximity to the caudal vena cava. It would be prudent to monitor the patient’s blood pressure and consider removal of the right adrenal gland. Prior to surgical intervention, a CT scan or MRI of the abdomen should be considered to determine if there is vascular invasion at this time. The liver appears coarse. Biopsies or aspirates should be considered if liver enzymes are elevated. The urinary bladder mucosa was mildly thickened. Urinalysis should be performed to rule out a urinary tract infection.

beaglemom3

02-05-2014, 12:12 PM

Brando's Ultrasound
Date of Examination: 1/31/14
Invoice: 1150
Hospital: Bay Street AH
DVM Requesting Exam: Dr. Cohen
Patient’s Name: Brando Sommers
Signalment: 14 yrs, Male neutered, beagle 34 lbs.

HISTORY: Patient had a history of two large, flocculent subcutaneous masses on the midline and to the right of the prepuce. The patient has a history of hepatosplenomegaly. No clinical signs were noted at this time.

EXAM: The urinary bladder, trigone and pelvic urethra were visualized in the caudal abdomen. The urinary bladder wall appeared slightly thickened at this time. However, the bladder was not completely full. No overt polyps or masses were seen. The pelvic urethra was within normal limits. The kidneys were of normal size and contour. The right kidney measured 5.39 cm and the left kidney measured 5.45 cm. The corticomedullary definition was normal with a small amount of age related changes. Medullary echogenicity differed distinctly from that of the cortex and no evidence or dilation could be seen. No overt pathology was noted at this time. The left adrenal gland was visualized and recognized as having normal shape and size measuring 2.06 x 0.37 cm at the cranial pole and 0.62 cm at the caudal pole. The right adrenal gland was slightly enlarged and heterogenic at the cranial pole. The right adrenal gland measured 2.36 x 0.99 cm at the cranial pole and 0.49 cm at the caudal pole. Both adrenal glands were curvilinear and uniform. The spleen presented with a smooth, non-deviating capsule and homogeneous parenchyma. The spleen was of normal echogenicity and was hyperechoic to the liver. There was no evidence of infarction, neoplasia or chronic inflammatory processes. Examination of the cranial abdomen demonstrated normal liver size and contour. The liver parenchyma appeared mottled with some mixed echogenic changes. It did not appear completely homogeneous. The gallbladder appeared normal filled with anechoic content. No overt biliary obstruction was observed. Examination of the gastrointestinal tract revealed echogenic ingesta within the lumen of the stomach. The mucosal layer of the small intestine appeared prominent with the small intestinal wall thickness measuring approximately 0.40c m from lumen to serosa. Prominent to mildly enlarged lymph nodes were observed. No overt GI masses or obstructive patterns were seen at this time. The right and left limbs of the pancreas were observed to be largely isoechoic to surrounding omental fat. Pancreatic duct and capsular contour were acceptably normal.

DIAGNOSIS: 1. Thickened apex at the urinary bladder – suspect artifact as not completely full urinary bladder
2. Slightly enlarged, heterogenic cranial pole of the right adrenal gland – differential diagnoses include adenoma, age-related hyperplasia, adenocarcinoma, and pheochromocytoma
3. Mottled, mixed echogenic hepatic parenchyma – differential diagnoses include age-related change, inflammatory disease, and early infiltrative disease (lymphoma, carcinoma, mast cell tumor, and other)
4. Prominent mucosal layer of the small intestine with mild mesenteric lymphadenopathy – differential diagnoses include incidental finding, enteritis, inflammatory bowel disease, and early infiltrative disease
COMMENTS: It would be prudent to perform a full CBC and chemistry in this patient to evaluate the liver enzymes. Should the liver enzymes be elevated, an aspirate or biopsy preceded by a coagulation profile would be warranted to further evaluate the observed changes. The right adrenal gland was slightly enlarged and heterogenic at the cranial pole. This may be consistent with age-related hyperplasia or perhaps an adenoma, adenocarcinoma, or pheochromocytoma. A low-dose Dex suppression test or ACTH stimulation test should be considered along with a blood pressure. Mild mesenteric lymphadenopathy was observed. However, no overt GI masses were seen. This may be an incidental finding for this patient or perhaps consistent with enteritis, inflammatory bowel disease, or early emerging neoplasia such as lymphoma or mast cell tumor. Aspirates of a mesenteric lymph node may be considered for a definitive diagnosis.

beaglemom3

02-05-2014, 12:54 PM

The specialist emailed me back within minutes of reading Snuggles results

Hi Victoria,

It sounds like the adrenal mass has grown slightly (although sometimes it's hard to directly compare ultrasounds). How is Snuggles doing at home? We may want to think about removing the mass with surgery, especially if it is growing and at risk for causing problems.

Did you ever have the special hormone test and chest x-rays we spoke about during your appointment in December?

her next email was:

Glad to hear that the chest x-rays are clear. It doesn't sound like the adrenal tumor has spread anywhere else, though it might be starting to invade into his vein. The low dose dex test would help us try to figure out what type of tumor this is, but ultimately, surgery is going to be the best thing for both diagnosis and treatment.

I think this will be a challenging surgery, but we also don't want to wait too long. Then the tumor may not be able to be removed, and/or would make the surgery very difficult.

goldengirl88

02-05-2014, 01:05 PM

Vicki:
I am so glad you got these finally. So Brando does not have a mass as thought? How are you feeling about all this? If the tumor is growing in Snuggles they are suggesting surgery before it invade the vena cava any more right? I know it is scary, but sounds better than I thought. I know you have a lot of thinking to do, so I will just say I am praying for a good outcome. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-05-2014, 01:11 PM

Brando's adrenal gland is slightly enlarged
Slightly enlarged, heterogenic cranial pole of the right adrenal gland – differential diagnoses include adenoma, age-related hyperplasia, adenocarcinoma, and pheochromocytoma

they are not sure which one it is though

The specialist wants me to seriously consider the surgery for Snuggles now before it is too late for surgery and she is not 100% gung ho for the surgery
Her exact replay was

"I'm still not 100% gung-ho, but I would be very seriously considering surgery now."

We need to find out more about Brandos liver

beaglemom3

02-05-2014, 02:45 PM

My vet just called, Brando's tumor is malignant and needs to be removed. He is going to go over everything after hours when it is quiet and he can think clearly since there is so much going on with my dogs. I will talk to him on Thursday or Friday about the next step. He said safety is utmost and foremost in how we proceed. He gave me some good advice if I decide not to go ahead with Snuggles surgery, I spoke to a dear close friend of mine who is also a nurse for almost 40 years and she said something that helped me when I make the decision.

I keep going back and forth over what to do, crying my heart out being angry I have such a decision to make.

I need to get ready to find out the results of my biopsy at the gyno.

I feel like I am about to break into a million pieces.

drmvz

02-05-2014, 03:06 PM

sending prayers your way...

goldengirl88

02-05-2014, 03:07 PM

Vicki:
That's ok I will pick up the pieces for you. Just let it out Vicki this is a lot to deal with so just vent. Whatever you decide I will support you. I am just sorry that this had to happen to you. I am praying that your gynie news is good. I am here for you anytime. Blessings
Patti

Trish

02-05-2014, 03:53 PM

Oh blardy heck, not sweet Brando too. Gosh you have your hands full and I hope your own news today is good to get one worry off your mind.

I hope Brando's surgery goes well. Remember a lot of these adrenal nodules are benign, like the one Flynn has and will not require surgery. So I have my fingers crossed that is what Brando has. After this surgery to remove the lump hopefully he will be back on the good list. What type of tumour is this one being removed?

It is tricky on ultrasound comparing sizes and I am pleased your IMS pointed that out, really can be difficult to get dog in exactly same position, pressure of the ultrasound can cause the lump to be pushed into different position so the measurements can alter. But I hope you speak to your surgeon soon about Snugs to see if that is the best option for him.

I have been away and about to go again for a few days so will be checking in when I get back, but will be sending all my best wishes your way while you try and sort this out. xxxxx

molly muffin

02-05-2014, 04:34 PM

Oh lord Vicki, what a turn of events. Okay, so your gyno just better be prepared to give some good news to you today. You are way over due for it.

It sounds like they are saying that Brando definitely needs surgery because this tumor is malignant and Snuggles they are still now sure about?

I'll be popping in and hoping to hear good news for you today!

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

beaglemom3

02-05-2014, 05:58 PM

Thank you so much Patti, Trish Sharlene and Drmvz. Your kinds words, understanding and support are so appreciated.
To clarify, Brando's malignant tumor is not in his adrenal gland, I posted an album with 3 pics of Branny one shows the tumor. We saw it just a couple of weeks ago, in it on his underside and got big so fast, remember they are both a the vets a lot especially lately and no one noticed this I don't think it was there until I saw it in the house a couple of weeks ago.
It is near his penis and does look like a testicle but he is neutered.
http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/album.php?albumid=838&pictureid=6233

My uterine biopsy results are okay, not perfect but okay I had a polyp and my doctor said it is not a tumor and she thinks she got most of it and to come back in 6 months for another ultrasound. I did not see the biopsy report, I just need a break from them and as long as she said it is not a tumor I will ask for it another time.

This is my Branny boy http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/album.php?albumid=838&pictureid=6234
http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/album.php?albumid=838&pictureid=6235

goldengirl88

02-05-2014, 06:31 PM

Vicki:
Well firstly thank God you have no problems. Secondly that Branny is just too darn cute, and I bet he is a sweetheart of a boy with a gentle demeanor. Do they think it will be pretty straight forward to remove this tumor? From the report it has not invaded anything else right? What is his age now? At least you got some good news today. I hope seeing the reports and making a plan helps ease your mind a little bit. Try to rest tonite and cuddle those boys. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-05-2014, 07:28 PM

thanks Patti, yes Brando is the sweetest little boy, he is 13 will be 14 God willing March 17th and in all the years I have never heard one growl out of him, he thrives on hugs and kisses and loves snuggling his head into your body. Not sure about Brando's malignancy spreading or not, his liver looks questionable from the ultrasound, I will ask him when I talk to the vet tomorrow or Friday after he has gone over everything and comes up with next step. Seeing the reports upset me a lot though nothing good in them for both as far as I can tell.

molly muffin

02-05-2014, 07:28 PM

yay, good news for you! Maybe not perfect but after the day, weeks, you've had, we'll take it!

I can't believe you sent me off to look at photo albums and expected me to get back here quickly to post. hahahaha I got sidetracked with photos. (of course)

I was laughing to myself and thinking, yep, that tumor has got to go, don't want Brando getting any ideas he's got game play now (testicle regrew?) ;)

Take some deep breaths and then it'll be decision time. I'm glad your friend the nurse was able to help you out and have some good conversations. Friends are good for things like that. :)

hugs,
sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

02-05-2014, 07:49 PM

Vicki:
How long ago was it when you first noticed this tumor? I am not remembering if you saw it first or the vet did? For some reason I keep thinking it is better on the outside rather than inside. I am hoping they can get rid of this and there is no more involvement. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-06-2014, 10:48 AM

Thank you Sharlene, Patti, we noticed it recently within the last 2 weeks, it was not there long or the vet while doing his echo or exams or I would have seen it before. I hope so too Patti.

I belong to a beagle email list with people from all over the world who own beagles. I have not posted to them about this yet, they do know about Snuggles after his first ultrasound, but it is so hard for me to talk/write about all this, I can't bear to post all this new findings but I did email one privately who used a holistic practitioner for his beagle who had a mast cell tumor. I am waiting for his response about Snuggles.

I am leaning towards not pursuing surgery for my dear boy, I don't want to end his life that way and him being over 14 and a half years old with chronic pancreatitis, I am afraid he could not get through the surgery and recovery. But not doing it is making me feel I am signing Snuggles death warrant.

I hate this decision it is impossible, it is a curse! I pray to God something somewhere gives me the right answer.

goldengirl88

02-06-2014, 10:59 AM

Vicki:
I am so sorry for the position this has put you in to decide this. I know how I would feel if it were me. Tipper has too many issues to remover her adrenal tumor too. So I have to resign myself to the fact I made that decision. You are only doing the best you can and I hope God shows you mercy and helps Snugs. It is hard enough making a decision for one yet a lone 2 of your babies. I totally understand where you are with this. Please know I am in complete sympathy with you. Blessings
Patti

molly muffin

02-06-2014, 11:26 AM

Hi Vicki,
There is Nothing easy at all to put into the situation of making a decision about surgery vs no surgery and here you are trying to handle it for both of your boys at the same time. Plus your own health issues, again at the same time. This is an absolutely horrendous position to be in. Unfortunately you are the only one who knows your boys, knows their health and prognosis to make these decisions.
Just know that Whatever you decide, we support you 100% through thick and thin as the saying goes.
I am sure that eventually you will feel better about sharing with your email group, but don't rush if it you don't feel ready. This is like being on a rocky boat in bad seas. Get your sea legs and then you'll feel a bit more stable when it comes to how you wish to disperse information.

huggers
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

goldengirl88

02-07-2014, 08:10 AM

Hi Vicki:
Just checking in to see how you are doing today. I can probably answer that question myself. I told Tipper's therapy Dr. yesterday that a friend on the forum had 2 dogs and herself in question with their health and she said just tell me her first name I will pray for them. Everyone is pulling for you and your boys so get thru this trying time. Please know I care about you and your sweet boys. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-07-2014, 08:35 AM

I so appreciate all your caring and concern, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I think I am leaning towards no surgery still but will not just sit by and let this tumor do what it wants to do w/o a fight.

I have been reading so much on alternative treatments for tumors and cancer in general.
Studies have shown IV Vit C have completely gotten rid of tumors. I am going to show my vet all the info and studies I found, I even found a protocol for it for dogs. and see what he says.

I also heard back from the herbalist. This is what they came up with for Snuggles. I am not familiar with most of these but if anyone here is please tell me about it. I am going to show this to my vet as well and see how he feels about it.

Herbal Support

Because we are dealing with a significant endocrine imbalance as a result of the tumour, we will need to address the whole adrenal/thyroid/pituitary/hypothalamus axis system.

I will make up a specialised mixture for this condition that contains: (100mls 12 weeks supply) http://www.herbal-treatments.com/prescription-shop/dog-prescriptions/product/819-special-mix-canine

Blue Flag-Thyroid support

Kelp- Thyroid support

St Marys Thistle- Liver support

Fennel- Pancreas support

Withania- Adrenal health

Hawthorn- Heart and circulation

Buchu- Kidney health

Anti –Cancer support With Maritime Pine Bark (100mls 16 weeks supply) http://www.herbal-treatments.com/prescription-shop/dog-prescriptions/product/748-maritime-pine-bark-extract

Maritime Pine Bark Extract is used in this Herbal Practice to help animals suffering from a range of illnesses.

Maritime Pine Bark is a natural antioxidant. It is an excellent source of flavonoids and has anti-inflammatory properties that work to protect the body from harmful free radicals. Maritime Pine Bark helps boost the immune system and strengthens blood vessel walls and capillaries. This specialist antioxidant is nearly 25 times more powerful than Vitamin C.

Studies show that the Maritime Pine Bark Extract also supports the circulatory system and when used as directed it acts as anti cancer, anti inflammatory and other supportive factors.

Dose: 10 dprops twice daily

beaglemom3

02-07-2014, 02:53 PM

My vet said to give the herbal support protocol they devised for Snuggles a try and see what happens.

Does anyone have any feedback on it?

Squirt's Mom

02-07-2014, 03:32 PM

I've been reading along and am simply stunned with what you are having to face with your boys. :( Even tho I may not be posting, my thoughts and prayers are with you all.

From the little I know about some of those herbs, I don't know of any reason not to try them - IF you have given all your options solid consideration, including the length of time it will take to see if these herbs will help or not. If surgery and chemo are off the table for sure, then I would certainly give this approach a try - under supervision. Make sure the herbalist and/or vet will be on hand to help with any changes you see in Snuggles and to monitor the progress.

Hugs
Leslie and the gang

beaglemom3

02-07-2014, 03:41 PM

Thanks so much Leslie for your prayers we surely do need them. and great advice about how long will it take for the herb have an effect or not and to have the herbalist and vet on hand in case.

Everyone I have spoken to including my vet and the specialist lean toward not doing the surgery for various reasons, I am not comfortable with either choice its the worse choices I can imagine. I go back and forth between the 2 a million times and neither of them feel right to me. I am completely tormented by this decision. But I do not want him to die during surgery or in recovery, and I do not want to sit idly by if we do not do the surgery.

Thank you for your very helpful and important input.

goldengirl88

02-07-2014, 04:19 PM

Vicki:
You are doing the best you can do. Please come on here for support as I know you are in a catch 22 situation and keep going back and forth. You are doing better than a lot of us could. I am praying for all of you. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-07-2014, 05:05 PM

Thank you so much Patti, I will I will post updates in case the herbal treatment etc helps in any way which I pray it does, it will be valuable information to members and future members.

doxiesrock912

02-07-2014, 05:58 PM

Vicki,
I don't know much about herbal treatment but I am praying that they help.
You can buy many of them on Amazon.com at better pricess than most health food supply stores.

In fact, I just learned of something that fights many ailments as affectively as antibiotics and have ordered some to try myself. One person's review said that it helped them with allergies and sinus infections. Both of which i'm prone to.

Please keep us posted. We're always here for you as you are for us when needed. Hugs.

molly muffin

02-07-2014, 06:20 PM

Oh yay, I'm glad that Leslie saw your post about the herbs as usually I check and send herbal questions her way.
That is an excellent question about how long to see results. I'd add, what results are we looking for too? I mean what do we expect to see from the herb concoction.
You are doing something, even if you have decided against surgery. Maybe that something will help, it's worth a shot. :)

Where you speaking with the vet today about Brando?

hugs,
Sharlene and molly muffin

beaglemom3

02-07-2014, 09:18 PM

The reason I am leaning towards not doing the surgery is because no one I have spoken too seems to be for it given how dangerous it is and the high mortality rate. I thought about all their reasons and it makes sense, he could be gone in a week or two we did the surgery, and w/o he may live longer, he is right now so active acting fine to cut that short if the surgery goes bad would kill me. It is such a hard choice.

These are the answers I got from the herbalist.

Hi Catherine,

I have a couple more questions, how long do you think it would take to know if the herbal protocol has an effect on Snuggles or not, and what effect are you hoping it to have? I am hoping to nourish and support the glandular system so that the hormonal imbalance will lessen, there by stimulating the immune system to clean up the tumour cells

Could it possibly slow the tumor growth? Or shrink it at all? Possibly- this is what I am aiming for

What and how should I be monitoring Snuggles for once I start him on it. And will you be on hand to help if I see any changes in Snuggles one way or another? We monitor with you vet by just observing metabolic functions ( appetite, energy/vitality/, elimination functions, and quality of life) generally with good vitality we have good healing responses if we can a good metabolic process occurring.

I am on hand to speak to personally and via the email with you and your vet, as I like to monitor and make changes to the mixes should we need to.

I forgot to mention I have been giving Snuggles 250 mg of Vit C once a day, should I continue with that, increase it? He weighs 31 pounds and is a beagle.
Maintain the Vit C at this stage..

My vet was supposed to call me today to go over things about Branny, but he didn't I am assuming he may be wanting to discuss Brando's case with more vets over the weekend. He did that when Snugs was diagnosed so I am thinking maybe that is why I did not get a call from him today. he did answer my email about the herbal protocol though.

I can't tell you all how much your concern caring support and prayers mean to me you are an amazing group of very loving and caring people and I feel blessed to have found these forums.

molly muffin

02-07-2014, 09:28 PM

Harley PoMMom

02-07-2014, 09:29 PM

I can not offer any words of wisdom, just wanted you to know that you and Snuggles are in my thoughts and prayers, sending love and hugs, Lori

beaglemom3

02-07-2014, 10:45 PM

Yes it is a risky surgery, a lot depends on the tumor, dogs over all health, age, etc. All of those are factors that the vets/surgeons/specialist take into consideration when making a recommendation about whether they are supportive of surgery or not.

This is good that the herbalist will work With the vet. They didn't really answer the "how long to expect to see results" portion of the question.

How is Snuggles vitality, quality of life, elimination and appetite currently? I thought he didn't actually seem to be exhibiting any ill effects at this point? If he is currently acting fine in all those areas, then it might be hard for the herbalist to tell if there is a change.
Not being a nay sayer because I'd go for it too. I just hate vague answers. LOL

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Thanks Sharlene, I told them when I spoke to them on the phone a few minutes ago and included in my original email that Snuggles at this point is acting fine and not exhibiting any outward symptoms, at this point.
Unfortunately the change would be able to see is if any of those start to show signs of going downward. Also I plan on having another ultrasound God willing in another month I do not want to wait another 2 months as I did before.

I'm scared, worried, but praying this treatment gives us good results.

beaglemom3

02-07-2014, 10:46 PM

Thank you so much Lori it means a lot to me.

goldengirl88

02-08-2014, 07:44 AM

Hi Vicki:
I hope you are doing well and taking care of yourself too. I am totally with you on this treatment. I decided when I found out about Tipper's adrenal tumor that she had way too much going on to risk surgery. I felt I would be sending her to her death, and could not live with that on my conscience. I opted for having the ultra sound every 2 months. I just felt she would have a chance of living longer. It is one of the hardest decisions I have had to make. I know where you are coming from and how you feel inside, believe me. This has to be the most awful disease besides cancer a dog can get. My heart just breaks that you are going thru this with 2 dogs. Just know that no one knows your babies like you, so you are the only one qualified to make that decision. I know it is like getting up every morning with a knot in your stomach and being scared to death what the day will bring. I have often felt Tipper was like a ticking time bomb. Just pray on it Vicki and ask God for mercy for your babies. I have never cried so much in my life with the exception of my dad dying. Sometimes it is one hour at a time. I am hoping you have success with the herbs and I am so happy your vet is working with the herbalist. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-08-2014, 03:20 PM

Thank you Patti, I received an email from the specialist I saw in Manhattan, she has been wonderful and answering all my emails. I did not think she was going to answer my last one since she usually answers within minutes and haven't heard from her in 2 days.

She said she feels Snuggle pheo if it is a pheo is malignant because it is growing but that is not 100% definite.

But the next thing she said surprised me, she said the tumor is growing at a slow rate, which is good. I was under the impression growing 1 cm in 7 weeks is fast. But I like her assessment of it since I have no idea what is slow or fast growth rate of tumors.

Before I contacted the herbalist that I did, I had asked the specialist if she can recommend me to any holistic/herbalist doctor and since I did not her back from her I got in contact with the one I did, but in her email today there is a Doctor at the AMC, same hospital where I saw the specialist that does intergraded medicine. So I put in a call to her and hopefully she will call back today. I want to have a consultation with her, get her assessment of the herbal protocol that was made for Snuggle and get whatever protocol she thinks will help Snuggles.

This a link to her profile
http://www.amcny.org/about-amc/veterinarian-specialists/leilani-alvarez-dvm-cva-ccrt

Trish

02-08-2014, 03:26 PM

Hi Vicki

Sorry to read all this about your babies. I think I have written my thoughts on Vit C on your thread previously so won't go over all that again. If you do further ultrasound scans what do you plan to do if they are worse, if you have made the decision surgery is not on an option for Snugs anymore? I know how stressful waiting for results of scans can be, I think if I was not planning on surgery for my dog I would continue with the treatment decided upon, smother him with love and come what may and no more scans as they would just freak me out. But we are all different though and have to do what is right for each of us.

Hope you hear about Brando soon and come up with a plan for him xxxxx

beaglemom3

02-08-2014, 03:57 PM

I need to do the ultrasounds to know if the herbal medicines are having any effect on the tumor and just because we are not doing the surgery now, we might if we still can down the road.

My friend who used the same herbalist for his dog who had a mast cell tumor, it reduced the size of the tumor by 2/3.

For me having no more scans would freak me out. I hate not knowing that has always been the scariest thing of all to me in any given situation. I do better when I know exactly what's what. Hence why the decision to have surgery or not is tormenting me, I have no idea if Snugs would make it through or not. If that surgery was any less difficult and dangerous I would go for it, but so many things can go wrong and I could be ending his life sooner than it should end.

It is extremely difficult for me to see Snugs acting as always with no symptoms and put him into a surgical situation that could kill him while he is so full of life and active.
Thanks Trish I hope I hear from our vet soon about Brando as well.

Trish

02-08-2014, 04:27 PM

It is a hard decision for sure. I hope the herbalist helps Snugs and keeps him well for a long time to come :)

beaglemom3

02-08-2014, 04:41 PM

Thank you Trish I do as well. Snugs is 14 and 6 months now, I pray to God he is with me and we can celebrate his 15th birthday together and shower him with tons of gifts.

goldengirl88

02-08-2014, 04:52 PM

Vicki:
You have been in my thoughts all day. I am praying for all of you and hoping the herbalist helps. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-08-2014, 05:17 PM

Thank you so much Patti, I should have one of the herbs maybe tomorrow the most important one the Maritime Pine Bark which is supposed to be 24 times more powerful than Vit C. The rest I will get at the end of this coming week. I am still waiting for the Doctor at the AMC to call. and I am anxiously waiting for my vet to call me about Brando, if I do not hear from him over the weekend I will call him Monday. Brannus' birthday is March 17th my baby boy will be 14 years old God willing.

goldengirl88

02-08-2014, 07:08 PM

Vicki:
I wish I lived near you I would come over and give you a big hug. I hope your vet calls and does not keep you waiting. I pray your Brando will be here long after you celebrate his birthday. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-09-2014, 08:36 AM

aww Patti you are so sweet, thank you. I pray both my boys are with me for their birthdays and beyond. I am hoping to get the anti cancer herbal mixture tomorrow and start Snuggles on it. My deepest hopes are since it is growing at a slow rate according to the specialist this mixture can slow it even more or even better stop it from growing and getting rid of it completely. I know it is a long shot, but it is giving me some hope in this otherwise hopeless situation.

I am sure my vet will call me Monday for the plan for Brando, he is being very cautious due to his age and heart condition, I don't doubt he is researching and consulting with others to come up with the best plan..

I am going to call my dermatologist today to see if there is an opening he wants to look at it (skin cancer) to see if he can remove it or I need to go to a surgeon.

goldengirl88

02-09-2014, 08:38 AM

Vicki:
I wonder if it would help my Tipper get rid of hers? Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-09-2014, 08:43 AM

I don't know but if you want their info I will be happy to private message you with it, or you can see if there is a certified herbalist in your area, these people I am dealing with are in Australia, and hopefully I can get to see the herbalist, vet doctor at the Animal Medical center in NYC. They called me back and she is booked until March 6, so the specialist I saw emailed her telling her about Snuggles situation to see if she can see me this week.

Squirt's Mom

02-09-2014, 09:09 AM

Is the herbalist supplying the herbs or did they tell you where to get them? I do not recommend buying herbs from places like Amazon, EBay, etc. You will want to either deal with a formula the herbalist puts together for you or purchase from a reputable herb supplier like Mountain Rose Herbs, Starwest, or Pacific Botanicals to name a few. Be sure the herbalist gives you all the pertinent info about dosing - how much, when, etc.

I'm looking forward to watching and seeing how Snuggles responds to this approach.
Hugs,
Leslie and the gang

beaglemom3

02-09-2014, 09:25 AM

Thanks Leslie, the herbalist is mixing it up themselves and shipping it to me. The maritime pine bark is coming from their supplier in Indiana I can ask what supplier is being used in Indiana.

This is the profile of the herbalist who put together the protocol I listed

http://www.herbal-treatments.com/2-uncategorised/1383-cath-mcdowell-a-herbalists-vision

She studied Herbal Medicine with Dorothy Hall and works with a lot of vets. I looked up Dorothy Hall and she seems to have been prominent figure in this area in Australia and wrote several books on the subject and has a college in her name.

beaglemom3

02-09-2014, 07:49 PM

I just read a very interesting and surprising clinical study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24145503

I am assuming a pheochromacytoma falls into this category of non cortisol secreting adrenal tumor.

Clinical features, outcome and prognostic factors in dogs diagnosed with non-cortisol-secreting adrenal tumours without adrenalectomy: 20 cases (1994-2009).
2013 Nov 23;173(20):501. doi: 10.1136/vr.101691. Epub 2013 Oct 21.
Arenas C, Pérez-Alenza D, Melián C.

Author information

Abstract

The aims of this study were to describe the clinical features, the outcome and the prognostic factors of dogs with non-cortisol-secreting adrenal masses without adrenalectomy, and also to provide clinical data that can be useful for making decisions when managing dogs with these types of neoplasms. Medical records from 1994 to 2009 were reviewed and 20 dogs were included in the study. The results showed that mean age at diagnosis for dogs with non-cortisol-secreting adrenal masses was 12 years with no sex predisposition. Most dogs were asymptomatic. The most frequent clinical signs, when present, were lethargy, weakness and hypertension. Radiological evidence of metastases at diagnosis was not frequent. The maximal dorso-ventral thickness of the adrenal mass ranged from 10.0 to 45.0 mm. Right adrenal gland masses were more frequent than left-sided. Hypertension was found to be related to tumour growth during follow-up. The median survival time of dogs with non-cortisol-secreting tumours was 17.8 months. Body weight at diagnosis, tumour size and the presence of metastases at diagnosis were inversely related to survival. In conclusion, survival of dogs with non-cortisol-secreting adrenal tumours without adrenalectomy is relatively high and comparable with that of dogs treated with adrenalectomy. Dogs with metastasis and large adrenal tumours have a poorer prognosis. Hypertension is related to tumour growth, and might be used as an additional tool to assess the potential growing capacity of the tumour.

goldengirl88

02-10-2014, 05:02 PM

Vicki:
Very interesting I read it all. Where did you get this article at? How are you today? I hope you are taking care of yourself. With all that is whirling around you I know it is hard to do. Give those two babies a hug and kiss from me. God Bless them and You.
Patti

beaglemom3

02-10-2014, 05:56 PM

It is a study on pubmed

"PubMed is a free database accessing primarily the MEDLINE database of references and abstracts on life sciences and biomedical topics. The United States National Library of Medicine at the National Institutes of Health maintains the database site."

Thanks Patti will do. I am very upset that my local vet hasn't called yet about Brando I just don't get it when he does this when usually he is so attentive. I am ready to put my fist through a wall waiting 5 days since his biopsy results came back to hear what we are going to do about it and when. I left 3 messages since Friday, I just don't get him. But if I don't hear back from him by tomorrow I am taking Brando to the Animal Medical Center in Manhattan where I took Snugs to see the specialist and have them take care of my boys.

lulusmom

02-10-2014, 06:23 PM

I just read a very interesting and surprising clinical study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24145503

I am assuming a pheochromacytoma falls into this category of non cortisol secreting adrenal tumor.

No, a pheochromocytoma is completely different. Adrenal tumors can be functional, meaning they secrete cortisol and/or other adrenal hormones, or they are nonfunctional and don't secrete cortisol. A pheo does not secrete cortisol but rather catecholamines, primarily epinephrine and nor-epinephrin. I hope this makes sense.

Glynda

beaglemom3

02-10-2014, 06:31 PM

yes that was my understanding about pheos so that study does pertain to pheos being that it is a non cortisol secreting tumor? or you think it is referring to a non functional tumor?

beaglemom3

02-10-2014, 06:35 PM

I was assuming it was referring to a pheo because of the hypertension mentioned as a symptom.

lulusmom

02-10-2014, 06:40 PM

I do not believe they are referring to pheos in this study but I could be wrong. You'd have to read the entire study to see if any of the dogs in this test were diagnosed with a pheo. I'll see if I can find a copy of the complete study. It would be really nice to have a veterinarian as a good friend. :D

beaglemom3

02-10-2014, 06:44 PM

I will search to see if I can find the complete study, I am glad you brought up that point that it is not phoes, I was assuming it was. thank you

beaglemom3

02-10-2014, 07:09 PM

You were correct about it not being about pheos but in the full study they said

"It was not possible to differentiate dogs with non-cortisol-secreting adrenal tumours from dogs with pheochromocytomas, aldosteronomas or even atypical HAC. So it is possible that hypertension was caused in some of the dogs included in the present study by a pheochromocytoma, or an aldosteronoma. Pheocromocytomas are generally not suspected antemortem and tend to be malignant in nature."

here is the link to the full text:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6233450/fulltext.rtf

here is a pdf file link for those who do not have office

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6233450/Research.pdf

lulusmom

02-10-2014, 08:12 PM

goldengirl88

02-11-2014, 08:14 AM

beaglemom3

02-11-2014, 10:59 AM

Honestly, if a mass is seen on imaging and adrenal function tests are normal, even the best board certified surgeons don't always know what they're dealing with until they are knee deep in surgery. Pheos are not as uncommon as you would think. They are very often an incidental finding at necropsy in a very large percentage of dogs.

I was aware of them being found mostly at necropsy, but my question in my mind has been, was death due to the pheos they found or was due to other causes? Do you have any information on that? I would love to know, it never clarifies if it was the cause of death or not, just that it is found after death.

beaglemom3

02-11-2014, 11:04 AM

Vicki:
Thinking of you and the boys and hoping you are all doing as well as possible. I do not understand your vet not calling you on Brando knowing how you feel and how important he knows this is. I am hoping he gets on it and you hear something today. Blessings
Patti

I do not understand it either and I am giving up hope that he will. I left 3 messages since last week and even w/o them he knows whats going on with my dogs.
I can only figure he may be annoyed I went to an herbalist for Snuggles, but I emailed him about it and got his approval and he said try it and see what happens, but if he so egotistical that that would bother him, then he is not for me. or my boys. Other than that I can't figure it out at all.
And to leave me in the lurch at this point after 14 years and 10s of thousands of dollars, with both boys having cancer, it is mind boggling and causing me so much more stress on top of what I already have.

I emailed the specialist I saw for Snuggles, this morning and told her Brando's situation and asked for a recommendation for an oncologist at the AMC for my Branny.

I have an appointment on Monday at the AMC to see a doctor that practices integrated medicine there and I want to get her recommendations for what herbal meds to give Snugs and to show her what the herbalist in Australia recommended, I did order them and the pine bark from the herbalist they referred to in USA so it gets here quicker, should be here tomorrow, the rest is coming from the herbalist from Australia so might take awhile which I am annoyed they shipped it regular mail w/o asking if I wanted to pay for expedited mail with tracking *sigh*

lulusmom

02-11-2014, 11:09 AM

I was aware of them being found mostly at necropsy, but my question in my mind has been, was death due to the pheos they found or was due to other causes? Do you have any information on that? I would love to know, it never clarifies if it was the cause of death or not, just that it is found after death.

I have an audio of one Dr. David Bruyette's veterinary conference lectures where he discusses diagnosing and treating cushing's. I distinctly remember him saying that many dogs have pheos that never cause a problem for the dog and are only discovered on necropsy. These dogs died of completely unrelated causes. I hope that helps.

beaglemom3

02-11-2014, 11:15 AM

thank you so much yes it helps, I pray that's the case with Snuggles, but since it is growing I do not know. Who is Dr Bruyette? Is he someone I should look up?

lulusmom

02-11-2014, 01:43 PM

Dr. Bruyette is the medical director at VCA West Los Angeles, a renown internal medicine specialist who frequently lectures at veterinary conferences, a frequent contributor to Dechra's continuing education for veterinarians, developer of Anipryl, which is the only other FDA approved drug for canine cushing's. Unfortunately, it's efficacy is quite low so is rarely prescribed. Dr. Bruyette is at the forefront of studies regarding pituitary tumors, particularly large ones. He is also a member here and took the time to answer many of our questions. Unfortunately, he has not been back for several years. I've provided a link below to a relatively new article where he discusses the progress that is being made in pituitary surgeries as well as drugs that have real promise for treatment of PDH.

http://veterinarycommunity.dvm360.com/_The-forefront-for-treating-canine-PDH/video/1855574/30809.html

beaglemom3

02-11-2014, 07:46 PM

Thnka you for the explanation. Well I think my vet dropped us as patients, still no word from him, so that is all I can assume. Which is boggling my mind. Even is he hated us which I cant imagine why, if is abandoning 2 very sick dogs with no medical attention. My husband and I are distraught. He has 14 years of my dogs records and now we need a vet more than ever now.

I am dumb founded and scared for my boys, but I have appointments lined up for Monday at the AMC in NYC. I don't think I can take anymore stress.

molly muffin

02-11-2014, 08:31 PM

Go up to the vet's office and tell them you complete copies of all your dog records, that you need a vet that is available and returns calls at this very important time.

(is this the vet who just became a grandpa?) I wonder if everything is okay there.

Even so, though, you need to get the records and take them with you to your other appt. and have your own copies.

You can tell them when you go to the get the records, that the vet had said he would call, he knows there is serious health issues with both dogs currently and if he no longer wishes to treat, then he should at least have told you so and not just ignored calls.

It could be something else is going on, but you can be firm and still leave room if need be for him to apologize, etc to you.

hugs Vicki, I know this is a very stressful time for you and family
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

doxiesrock912

02-11-2014, 10:47 PM

Vicki,

I second that. Get copies of the records asap. In person so that they can't put you off. Is there an IMS vet in your area that you can take them to?

goldengirl88

02-12-2014, 07:52 AM

Vicki:
You certainly did not need this on top of everything else. maybe when you go to get your records you could ask what the problem is with the Dr.? maybe something bad happened. I hope you get this straightened out I feel so bad for you. Please take care. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-12-2014, 10:36 AM

Thank you Sharlene, Valerie and Patti. My husband started crying this morning due to everything going on and the vet not returning our calls, so I picked up the phone asked for the office manager who I know from going there all the years and asked her out right, why he hasn't called back and if he is upset with us etc etc. She assured me he is not upset with us and that he will call us today. She told me he was not in when I was told he was, he went home early Monday, yesterday he was not in at all but at his new grandson's bris a(bris is a Jewish ceremony for circumcision for those who are not familiar with the term)
and today is the first day he is back for a full day of work. I went upstairs and saw a voicemail on my cellphone from him telling us he still loves us and was sorry he did not have a chance to get back to us due to the bris and other family obligations.

I am so glad that this part is settled. But the circumstantial evidence led me my husband, even my dad convinced he was not calling back due to not wanting to continue being our vet.

I have never been happier to be completely wrong. I usually do not jumped to conclusions as bad as this but with my boys so ill and all my heart break and concern over them I guess I am not thinking clearly 100% of the time.

Snuggles first package of herbal support is out for delivery right now. The Maritime Pine Bark (anti cancer)..fingers and paws crossed.

Squirt's Mom

02-12-2014, 11:27 AM

Vicki, I just fell head over heels in love with your hubby - I hope you don't mind. :):o;)

These little furry, four-legged souls become our children and your children are very ill at the moment. When our children are sick, we want answers, we want solutions, we want improvements now. And heaven help anyone or anything that gets in the way. Thinking your vet had abandoned you just when you need him most is perfectly normal and a conclusion I probably would have arrived at myself. We become so distraught it seems everyone connected should feel the same and when they don't act as if they are concerned, our minds take us down the darkest corridors. Screaming hissy fits and bouts of uncontrolled crying are expected. We can't help it, our love drives us.

You both are doing a wonderful job under extremely stressful conditions. Don't forget to take a few minutes every now and then for yourselves, tho. Take a break and do something fun, relaxing; let your minds focus on something else for just a short while. And remember your family here is always by your side, both of you. Ya'll are all surrounded by prayer, healing and strengthening energies, and positive thoughts continuously.

Hugs,
Leslie and the gang

molly muffin

02-12-2014, 12:06 PM

beaglemom3

02-12-2014, 12:14 PM

hehe Leslie, He can get emotional at times especially over our pups and ofc I don't mind :)

Thank you so much for what you said, it says it exactly!
it is so wonderful to have people in my life ( on these forums) that truly understand what loving a dog or any pet means and how it affects us when they are ill.

I will try and take your advice, because it is good advice. I need to take an emotional break from it all for just a short while to replenish, because my boys need me more than ever right now and I can't afford to get sick.

Our vet called again and we are scheduling the surgery for next week, either Tuesday or Wednesday, depending on when my brother in law is going back home. He is arriving here Sunday to visit us. This is his first visit in 10 years and the tickets were bought before all this started happening. But whether he is here or not my dogs come first. He will understand he is a great animal lover, all his pets have been cats, and they are his babies like my dogs are mine.

goldengirl88

02-12-2014, 12:14 PM

Vicki:
I am so happy it turned out your vet was not avoiding you. I feel so bad for you and your poor hubby. This is an awful lot of stress you both have been going thru. I am hoping you will talk with your vet soon and get all your questions answered. God Bless all of you and hugs and kisses to those two sweet boys.
Patti

goldengirl88

02-12-2014, 12:22 PM

Vicki:
Are you having the surgery on Brando? I must have missed some of your thread. You have talked to your vet then? Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-12-2014, 12:25 PM

Oh Vicki! I'm so glad you were wrong about the vet, I know he has been your vet for eons it seems and it just seemed that something was wrong for him not to return your calls.

Go up and give that hubby of yours a big hug. Mine would be so upset too and it is just natural to be worried sick with both the boys ill and your own health worries lately.

I agree with Leslie, you two need a down day from all of this, and I see Valentines coming up, so a perfect time to take some time to yourselves. Do a little something special okay.

Big HUGE Hugs, hope all the stuff for Snuggles gets here real soon.

Are you getting this storm too? Yikes. Hope you don't have to go out in it.

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly muffin

Thanks so much! Sharlene. I did hug him and he is now asleep on the couch, he wore himself out. I covered him with a comforter and our boys are snuggled up with him.

I will try to take some down time, you and Leslie are so right in that ,because I can feel it physically now, I am worn and drained.

Yes we are supposed to get the storm here that is why our vet suggested next week for Bando's surgery. He got back Brando's liver enzymes and they were good, so he said he not real concerned about his liver, but we will do an ultrasound guided needle aspiration another time after the surgery.

He explained he will be removing the tumor you all saw in the image I posted and Brando has another one right next to his penis, but it is on the inside of him, not outside like the one you saw. and he believes that is most likely a fatty tumor he said it feels different than the outside one.

But since they are in close proximity to be safe He will try and remove that as well but he said he does not want this to turn into a 3 hour surgery due to Brando's age and heart issues.

I asked him if this surgery is relatively safe for Branny, his answer was, I do not perform surgery on dogs I think will not make it through.

beaglemom3

02-12-2014, 12:28 PM

Hi Patti yes I explained about the surgery in the above post, you must have posted while I was typing mine.

beaglemom3

02-13-2014, 10:24 AM

Brando is scheduled for surgery Tuesday to remove his tumor and God willing no other surprises once the surgeon is in there.
I will be bringing him in at about 10 PM

Snuggles has gotten three doses of the Pine Bark, but we starting slow to make sure he tolerates it well. He is to get 10 drops two times a day. Yesterday he got 2 drops 2 times. Today he is getting 4 drops twice then tomorrow 6 drops 2times etc etc.

molly muffin

02-13-2014, 10:31 AM

I hope the Pine Bark works well for Snuggles. I'm really interested to see if it causes any tumor shrinkage, or other positive long term sign. That would be so good wouldn't it :)

Brando is going to sail through this like the trooper he is. In and out and not another problem at all. :)

huggers
Sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

02-13-2014, 10:35 AM

Vicki:
Tipper and I are praying Brando goes right through the surgery and is home and mending soon. Thinking of you during this trying time. Blessings
Patti

beaglemom3

02-13-2014, 10:47 AM

Thank you Molly! I am interested too and praying it does shrink his tumor. I think this will help a lot of people on here, with either outcome, to either give it a try or not too depending on what happens.
but I am praying so hard it has a very good result.

Thank Patti I so appreciate your prayers and good wishes as I do yours Molly!

goldengirl88

02-18-2014, 08:58 AM

Vicki:
I hope you get this before leaving for Brando's operation. Know I am with you in spirit and have been praying for Brando all nite. Please just know I care about you and your precious baby and will be thinking of you both all day. When you can please give an update on Brando. God Bless you both and may God have mercy on Brando and look after him during this time. Blessings
Patti

Squirt's Mom

02-18-2014, 09:18 AM

Our thoughts and prayers are with you all today.
Hugs,
Leslie and the gang

Harley PoMMom

02-18-2014, 10:07 AM

You both are in my thoughts and prayers too.

Hugs, Lori

Tina

02-18-2014, 11:34 AM

Me too Vicki. I have been following along on both of your babies and will be keeping Brando and you in my thoughts and prayers today.

Big hugs,
Tina and Jasper

beaglemom3

02-18-2014, 01:03 PM

Thank you all so very much! God bless you and your furbabies.

I just came back from dropping Brando off and had a long talk with our vet. He is being very cautious and running a lot of tests on Branny to make sure he will do well during and after surgery. So it may be an hour or two later that he performs the surgery maybe around 4 or 5 instead.

Branny was so scared he knew something was up since he did not get any breakfast treats or water. Dogs are so very smart. I held him a lot hugged and kissed him tons and kept telling him he is doing great and he will be just fine!

I will keep you all updated as I get updates on my precious sweet boy.

I started Snugs on the maritime pine bark but yesterday we all went to the AMC in Manhattan and saw the Dr who is certified in integrated medicine. Chinese herbal medicine. She was wonderful and asked so many questions and examined him and said snuggles is "fire" hehe which describes him perfectly.
She looked over the other herbalist (western)recommendations and agreed with them all!

This Dr. is prescribing a few items for Snugs to hopefully stop the tumor from growing or best yet shrink it. I have one supplement already I need to get the name I never heard of it, the other two will be ordered by her.
She told me that me and Snuggles have a very strong connection (which I already knew hehe) and I must really be and feel positive and tell him how well he is doing, which I have been but when alone I get scared and worried, but will not anymore.

During our visit this morning with our local vet, he told me he just acquired an MRI lab and hopefully itll be ready to go in 2 weeks or maybe a month. and both Brando and Snuggles are going to have MRI's done free of charge.

We will know much more about Snuggles pheo tumor this way w/o surgery,
and know much more about Branny's mass in his right adrenal gland and whatever else we need to know pending the outcome of the surgery and biopsies.

Branny, mommy loves you so much and I know you will do fine today, I love you with all my heart. You and Snuggles are my world, my life, my heart.

drmvz

02-18-2014, 02:44 PM

Thoughts and prayers for you and Brando.

beaglemom3

02-18-2014, 02:56 PM

Thoughts and prayers for you and Brando.

Thank you so very much!

beaglemom3

02-18-2014, 04:28 PM

My Vet just called, Brando is awake and doing fine :) he removed all of the tumor with good margins. He removed the lipoma next to Branny's penis too which is a benign fatty tumor.

He cleaned his teeth and had 1 extraction.
Thank God he came through okay!!

I didn't have a chance to ask my vet he wanted to run back into surgery, but when he says he got good margins, does that mean the cancer did not spread to other areas etc?

Squirt's Mom

02-18-2014, 04:32 PM

"Good margin" is a great indicator, but not proof, that it has not spread. Clean margins are wonderful things to have!

I am so happy to hear he is through the surgery and it went well! Give him a gentle hug from the gang and I when you get to see him.

goldengirl88

02-18-2014, 04:37 PM

Vicky:
I am so elated for you. Please hug and kiss Brando for Tipper and I. I am really relieved to hear this news. I am glad you are having a happy moment after all the torment you have been thru. God Bless You All
Patti

drmvz

02-18-2014, 05:24 PM

Yea Brando!! :)

Trish

02-18-2014, 05:45 PM

Great news!! So pleased Brando did well and free MRIs wow awesome!

beaglemom3

02-18-2014, 08:10 PM

Thank you! Squirts mom, Patti, Drmvz and Trish :) and yes Trish I am excited and nervous at the same time about the MRI's

I just called for another update and Brando is doing well, but he is a bit whiny, well who wouldn't be lol but also Branny hates being away from home, he gets frightened when he isn't home with us, even on walks he is so excited when he is home he races through the house hopping and jumping while running LOL I can't wait for my sweet boy to be home, which God willing will be tomorrow.

I will call one more time about 11:30 PM...in about 3 and half hours from now and see if he ate. They will be feeding him soon and I am hoping he eats his food, Branny when upset won't eat, so I am hoping, but I have some tricks up my sleeve to tell them how to get him to eat if he won't.

molly muffin

02-18-2014, 09:04 PM

It's been a crazy work day, but I'm popping in finally with a chance to post. I'm so happy to hear that Brando is doing so well. I fully hope and expect to get the clean margins report (no spread)

Love that he (the vet) is getting an MRI machine and you'll get some more information on the boys and whats going on with them.

Brando, poor thing is going to need some extra loving to make up for this one mom. LOL :) :)

Hugs to you
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Squirt's Mom

02-19-2014, 08:47 AM

Next time you go see him, take a shirt of yours or a blanket with ya'll scent on it to put in his cage while he recovers. This can help him settle and stay calmer.

Let us know how he is this morning!
Hugs,
Leslie and the gang

goldengirl88

02-19-2014, 09:13 AM

Vicki:
I am so glad all is ok and that your boy will be coming home with you before you know it. God Bless you Both. This news made my week. Blessings
Patti

Trish

02-19-2014, 06:10 PM

Hi Vicki

have you got your boy home? Bet it was got to see that lump gone, hope it was nothing nasty. Seems weird to just pop out like that overnight. Be interesting to see what the histology is.

Hope Branny had a good night and is feeling better today, Flynny whines just about the whole time he is in hospital then quiet as a mouse when he gets out!!

Hope today is a good day for Brando and Snugs too! xx

molly muffin

02-19-2014, 06:20 PM

Hi Vicki, checking in on you and Brando and Snuggles.
Bit worried we haven't heard anything from you today.
You know us mother hen types. :)

Hoping all is well.
hugs,
Sharlene and molly muffin

beaglemom3

02-19-2014, 10:37 PM

Hi everyone and thanks so much for your concern. I am just exhausted from all the stress and running to vets all over the city. But Branny is home! He is doing well and Trish hhe just like Flynn, Branny is quiet an happy to be home, no whining hehe and as soon as we got into the car he ate everything I brought for him plus 2 more meals at home :)
Snuggles was thrilled to have his brother back with him.
Here's a photo of Branny in the car on the way home
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ttzinhw22qrnwtd/2014-02-19%2015.19.06.jpg

Thanks so much Sharlene for checking in on us, I was just so tired. But been laying in bed the last two hours and feeling more rested.

Hi Patti, thank you so much for your concern and good wishes.

Great idea Leslie! Thank you :)

molly muffin

02-19-2014, 10:52 PM

So glad everything is okay and you are both home now with Snuggles. Is Branny looking up at you or whom? There is adoration on his face. I swear there really is. I am sure Snuggles is happy to have world right again. Just as you are.
Okay now I can go to bed. :-).
You get some rest too.

Hugs
Sharlene and Molly muffin

beaglemom3

02-19-2014, 11:30 PM

Rest well Sharlene, Branny was looking at me :) I am read to go to bed too.
nite everyone

doxiesrock912

02-19-2014, 11:56 PM

That's wonderful news Vicki!!!!!!!!

goldengirl88

02-20-2014, 07:49 AM

Vicki:
I am so happy this morning to see you are home with Branny. I know you will be busy caring for him so just know I am thinking of all of you and praying for good things. Blessings
Patti

Squirt's Mom

02-20-2014, 10:06 AM

Welcome home, Brando! WOOHOO!

Trish

02-20-2014, 03:46 PM

Hi Vicki
So pleased to read Brando is home, that photo looks like he is so pleased to see you but would be even happier if you gave him a snack!!

Hope the night went well and he was comfortable and you got some rest as well, it is so stressful going through that so make sure you take care of yourself too! x

beaglemom3

02-20-2014, 07:01 PM

aww thank you everyone!! Branny is doing well, no pain meds needed today so far :). He has been sleeping a lot which I am glad he was very upset at the vet and barking nonstop for the 2 days, he needs his rest.

I feel lighter inside, if ya know what I mean. Less depressed today about my baby boys. Snugs Thank GOD still acting fine, his bp is good took it twice last last while he was sleeping was 129/86, and 126/84 so the trend didn't increase at this point YAY.

I started Snugs on the two Chinese herbal meds, the sam-e and the stasis breaker, along with the maritime pine bark and the adrenal mixture which that I haven't started yet, introducing things slowly, I read great things about the stasis breaker pertaining to cancer and tumors. I pray this all works for my Snugs.

Brando's biopsy should be back in about a week, so praying it was all removed.

molly muffin

02-20-2014, 07:41 PM

Crossing fingers that all this helps Snuggles out. Sam-E is good for the liver. Many use it.

Awwww, Brando is happy to be home. Barking for 2 days, can you imagine! LOL
Well, he had to let him know about his unhappiness after all.

hugs
Sharlene and Molly muffin

beaglemom3

02-21-2014, 10:29 AM

Thanks Sharlene, well neither he nor I got any rest or sleep last night :(, Branny vomited up all his dinner at 10 PM, and was trembling and moaning and had his tail between his legs. I called our vet at home and he asked me to send pics to his cell of his incisions and underside, so I did, he said he feels he is ill from the antibiotic and to stop giving it. He said in 8 hours he should be feeling better if not to bring him in they are open 24/7 or if not bring him in today.

I sat with him all night on the couch covering him with blankets and talking softly, singing and kissing him. Sure enough at 5 AM his trembling stopped and so did his moaning. He is walking around this morning with tail wagging a bit and not between his legs when it is down, so far. I gave him 1/3 his breakfast and if he holds it down in 2 hours I will give him the next 1/3.

After all he has been through with the surgery he surely did not need this! My sweet little boy.

Squirt's Mom

02-21-2014, 10:59 AM

~~whew~~ What a relief to read he is better this morning! When I first started reading, memories of Squirt's surgery came rushing back. She suffered an acute pancreatic attack after removing a tumor and half her spleen because they had to move the pancreas during the surgery and the surgeon told me that organ was VERY ticky, getting pissed of easily when disturbed. If that had been happening to Brando, tho, I doubt he would be better this morning so I am very relieved!

I hope he and you have a great day, no more upsets, just calm loving rest.
Hugs,
Leslie and the gang

goldengirl88

02-21-2014, 03:39 PM

Vicki:
I know you are with your boy taking care of him, so I just wanted to say how happy I was to see your post that he is doing better today.I hope he continues to improve. Take care of yourself, as I know you haven't gotten much rest. Blessings
Patti

molly muffin

02-21-2014, 04:46 PM

Whew, glad to hear that he is doing better this morning and keeping food down.
Is that still the case? Hope that all goes well from here on out.

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly muffin

Trish

02-21-2014, 05:59 PM

Hi Vicki

How unnerving, Flynn did exactly the same after a surgery last year when he was put on postop antibiotics. I thought something terrible was happening and vet said stop the ABs and voila, he came right just like Brando. When he was feeling so poorly and not eating the bet recommened mixing some mild and raw egg together and Flynn did like that. He was a little off the next 24hrs while the antibiotic got totally out his system. Hope you are getting some fluids into him, don't need him getting dry now. Crikey, what a night I hope you are both catching up on your sleep today. xx

doxiesrock912

02-21-2014, 08:59 PM

Oh no Vicki!
Poor Brando! I'm glad that he's better today. Barking non stop for two days is exhausting I'm sure.

beaglemom3

02-22-2014, 04:07 PM

Hi everyone :) Yes I am smiling hehe I had a good night sleep and so did Branny and he is doing better today. Acting more like himself. He is even sitting today which has been painful for him given where his surgery was.
He howled at me when I was filling their bowls for lunch, haven't heard that in days, he is walking around more, his appetite is good and potty time is successful. He looks more alert and even sniffed a toy or two earlier.

I just took a video of both of my boys, but for some reason I held the camera wrong LOL but I wanted you to see how Snugs is doing as well as Branny. I am waiting for the upload to finish, for some reason it has failed twice. Maybe they do not like the way I held the camera lol.
I hope all is well with you all and your babies. I will catch up on posts today and tomorrow.

I will post the link to the video when it has successfully uploaded.