Originally Posted by
chrispet
I just want to say, I'm a newbie to this site, my name is Kris and my 11 yr old female Border collie mix, Oreo has been diagnosis with Cushing's. I want to say as a Acupuncture Physician, I can't believe that not many of you on this site are embracing a 5000 yr old tradition.
I'm not exactly sure what an acupuncture physician is. Are you a degreed veterinarian or human MD/DO? As far as your question regarding embracing a 5000 yr old tradition, I feel the same way Leah does. Both of my cushdogs' symptoms are being effectively controlled by Lysodren so there is no need to incur the additional cost of acupuncture. However, if my dogs were experiencing chronic arthritic pain, I wouldn't hesitate to seek out a veterinarian trained in acupuncture. We do have members who take their dog for acupuncture therapy and we've had good reports on it. Hopefully those members will chime in and share their experience with you.
Acupuncture and chinese herbal medicine can help all our dogs, cure them maybe not, but the idea is to manage symptoms and this medicine can be used in conjunction with the "chemo drugs". The problem with using this medicine is not many holistic vets have enough training to be able to write an herbal formula and understand how to change the formula as needed.
Another problem for me, when talking about herbal medicine, is the fact that there are no published studies on any herb, or combination of herbs, proving it's effectiveness in treating the root cause of cushing's. You'd think that in 5,000 years, somebody would have done some clinical trials or published a study or two. If you are aware of any, can you please provide a link?
And I haven't meet very many vets that understand nutrition. So, my advise to you all is to do your due dilligence, DON"T ASK YOUR NON-HOLISTIC VET ABOUT WHAT BRAND OF DOG FOOD to buy, they don't not have nutrition classes as part of their studies and are bias from Science Diet giving them free food for their pet(s) while they are in vet school, as evidence of having the Science Diet food in their offices', which is the worst food on the market with corn and wheat as fillers, causing many of the dogs' allergies and then the vet puts the dogs on pred, anyway.
I totally agree.
So far Oreo symptoms are mild, started panting alittle at night, always hungry and drinking just alittle more and of course that pot-bellied apperance. All these signs are too much heat in the body, so I am giving her a Chinese herbal formula called Long Dan Xie Gan Tang and in 2 days her panting has stopped, she drinks less water and doesn't seem to be as hungry.
With cushing's, the symptoms you mention are due to high levels of cortisol in the blood. Is that the same thing as too much heat in the body? If not, what does too much heat in the body mean? Since starting Oreo on herbal treatment, have you had an acth stimulation test done to see if the herbs are actually lowering the cortisol?
I am going to recommend a holistic veterinary book for those of you who are interested, it is called, Manual of Natural Veterinary Medicine by Susan Wynn and Steve Marsden, both DVM, it gives treatment options for 130 common conditions and they mentioned the above herbal formula as well as using Ginko to bind with the cortisol for hyperadrenocorticism. Anyway, nice to find you guys and what a wealth of information. Kris
What does bind with the cortisol mean and how does that equate to alleviating symptoms? I understand the mechanisms of action for Lysodren and Trilostane but this herbal stuff is a mystery to me.