Tess, radiation therapy (Tessie has passed)

[Sammie]

Admin note from Terry (Mytil): The following message was sent to us via Forum Feedback and I have started this new thread for "Sammie"/ Dottie and Tess.

Admin note Alison (AlisonandMia) on 07/10/09): I have changed things so this thread now belongs to Dottie (username: Sammie)


On the first day of Vetoryl which was given at 7:00 a.m. on a full stomach,Tess front legs started to shake really bad. That had never happen before, only the back legs. She was just staring at the wall in bed. She sleeps with me. She is taking at once two tablets at once 30mg each tablet, so 60mg of Vetoryl. She is 22 to 25 pounds. The second morning again at 7:00 A.M. two more tablets. Around 5:00 P.M. notice she did not want to go for a walk with the other dogs. Not drinking any water. This is 4th of July night. Got her to walk down the street and a firework went off. She freaked. I called the vet at his house. While I was on the phone with him she vomited. Forgot the first night she would not stop shaking, breathing really hard. back to second night. She is now weak, cant walk, and has vomited 6 times though out the night. The last one was pure stomach acid. Yellow smelled like acid. Its sunday July 5th 2009 and I am trying not to call the vet. I found soaking her in a wet towel helped, she is still shacking and her tong keeps coming out of her month licking at the air. I have a medicine dropper and I am giving her water with it. I pinched her skin and it does come back. Her gums are a pale pale pink/white. She had a chusing test and it was positive. So she is dehydrated from vomiting, Not giving her to much water. I don't want her to vomit again. Its the very hot body and shaking of the stomach that I am worried about. I can't find anything on it. Vet said she has something else going with her and that Vetoryl should not of made her sick. Help me fast please.

Dottie

[BestBuddy]

Hi Dottie,

Stop the Vetoryl. You should never give it to a sick dog. It does seem to be too much of a coincidence that she has been ill as soon as you started the Vetoryl.

If Sammy is not improving you need to get her to the vet for maybe a steroid injection and some prednisone to combat the drug.

What tests did you have done to confirm cushings? How old it Sammy?

Please come back and tell us how things are going.

Jenny

[mytil]

Hi Dottie,

I hope you received my email with the link to this thread.

I agree completely with Jen here, stop the Vetoryl until her condition improves. Is she taking any other medication that may have interacted with the Vetoryl?

Here is a link for you on Vetoryl - http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185. Take a look especially at this link Treatment and Monitoring Flowchart. From this it sounds as 60mgs is too high of a dose with the weight you have given.

Terry

[SasAndYunah]

The best advise I can give you, is to bring her to a vet asap. Pale gums are always a reason to see a vet asap. Could be the Vetoryl, could be something else but she needs to see a vet.

The air "licking" probably is a sign she is nauseous. But not giving her the amount of water she needs because you're afraid she'll vomit again, is not the way to go. If she is dehydrated, as you say, but also you mention her skin is popping back...she needs fluids and not just a few drops through a medicine dropper. There is just one way to handle this and that is taking her to a vet, as soon as you can. And to not give her any more Vetoryl till she has seen a vet...

Good luck,

Saskia and Yunah.

[ladysmom06]

Hi Dottie,

I agree with the others. Stop the Vetoryl and see your vet. We used vetoryl here. After only 2 doses my little girl started vomiting too. The dose was to high for her. We stopped it for a couple of weeks and then started back on a lower dose and she was fine with it after that. Good luck and let us know how things are going.

[Squirt's Mom]

Hi Dottie,

PLEASE stop the Trilo and call the vet asap! Your baby is in crisis and needs medical attention. If you have prednisone give it now, call your vet to let them know what you have done and insist that they see Sammy now.

Dottie, this is not something to "wait and see" what happens. This could be the result of the meds, a misdiagnosis, pancreatitis, and many other things.

I hope we hear from you soon as I am worried about Tess. You did really good in reaching out to Terry for help.

Hugs,
Leslie and the girls

[MiniSchnauzerMom]

Hi Dottie,

I hope you have received Terry's email and been able to follow the link and read these posts. I, too, agree that Tess is in need of a vet or an ER visit right away and please, do stop the Vetoryl. It should not be given to a dog who is vomiting and ill.

The following is information from Dechra re Vetoryl.

ADVERSE REACTIONS:
The most common adverse reactions reported are poor/reduced appetite, vomiting, lethargy/dullness, diarrhea, and weakness.

and

Owners should be instructed to stop therapy and contact their veterinarian immediately in the event of adverse reactions or unusual developments

The cushings diagnosis and treatment can be discussed later. We'll all be here for you to help. Right now the #1 priority is to get Tess to the vet for help.

Louise

[Squirt's Mom]

(Who is Sammie?)

[Sammie]

Hi Sammie is my user name, but Tessie is the name of one of my dogs and she is very sick. Last night at 2:00 A.M. I took her out to pee. She did, she was so hot I put another wet towel on her. I feel asleep and woke up to Tes wanting to be sick again. I helped her do that. Turned on the light to get some more water. I saw that her eye's were going back and fourth very fast. At 4:20 A.M. I rushed her to the emergency Vet. Her blood was took thick to draw and run a test, so they got fluid's in her. About 20 or so minuet later, they got blood and every thing was out of whack. The vet said she now has Addison's disease, which is the opposite of chusings disease. We were there tell 8:00 A.M. and we transfered her to my Vet for the day. She is home on the couch for the night. She is doing better, but she has not come back from this yet. I have to Vets now with two different opinions. I have been with my vet for 11 years and trust him. He thinks after two days on Vetoryl that it could not get to Addison's. He did say because of the eye's going back and forth it could be another disease, I will post the name of that disease tomorrow. I forgot the name. He said it was just bad timing for that disease to pop up while we were starting the Vetoryl. My Vet still feels she has chusings.

LADYMOMS6: You are the only post I have seen after two days of searching that had the same thing happen to them. I could not find any thing except for what was on Vetoryl web sit that you have all kindly posted for me. I was at my wits in. I had called my Vet on Saturday at home, But from 5:30 P.M. Saturday to 24 hours later she really went down hill. I will never wait that long again. I have a total of 5 dogs.

My Vet said he might want to start her when she is better on Lysodren Mitotane. Tessie was not on any other medication before she started Vetoryl. She has been given a steroid injection and a injection for nauseous.

I just want to thank you all and am watching over Tessie all night and she will go back to My Vets at 6:30 A.M. California time. I had been up for two days straight, except for that hour last night. Thank god Tess got me up and I got her to the Emergence Vet. Next time there will be know waiting. My vet said if she was still walking around and not lethargy that she might be ok. That is why I waited so long. Thank you all again and I will let you know how it goes.

[BestBuddy]

I am sorry I called Tessie the wrong name.
I am glad you got her to the vet because it sounded like she was in real trouble. If she has gone addisons it must have been the vetoryl and makes me wonder about the testing that confirmed cushings. Sometimes getting a correct diagnosis of cushings in all it's forms is hard to do. Once the Vetoryl wears off and the injection should speed things up you should see a great improvement. I would not be starting Lysodren or Vetoryl again until you get some more testing done. If Tessie stays addison then you will have to medicate her for that.

Jenny