Aussie, Mandy - *Appetite Decreased* (Mandy has Passed)

[Harley PoMMom]

Hi Jeff,

Looking at the Vitacost link that Leslie gave you, those capsules actually will only give you 8 mg lignans per capsule.

The main lignan from flaxseed is secoisolariciresinol diglucoside (SDG).
http://www.raysahelian.com/lignan.html

NSI Flax Seed Lignans.

One 40 mg capsule contains 20% flax lignan extract (standardized).

40 mg capsule = 20% lignans.

20% is 1/5 of 100% (or 100 divided by 20 = 5).

40 mg divided by 5 = 8 mg lignans.

Each 40 mg capsule contains 8 mg lignans.

So Mandy would need 2 capsules if she weighs 16# or 3 capsules if she weighs 24#.

Love and hugs,
Lori

[lulusmom]

Lori, before switching to the pressed flaxhulls, I used to purchase the Flax Seed Lignans from vitacost.com and I was under the impression that there was 40mg of standardized lignan per capsule. I just checked and Vitacost is pretty clear in their product description that each dose offers 40 mg of standardized lignan extract. As I recall, UTK had this product listed as having 40mg lignans as well on their old treatment sheet. I am so mathmatically challenged it's not even funny so I'll never be able to figure out how we went from a whopping 40mg of to 8mg. If your formula is correct, Vitacost has some splainin to do to me and Lucy. Here is the link to Vita Cost and their description which clearly states;

Your best sources of flax seed lignans are fresh ground flaxseed and our quality formula! NSI Flax Seed Lignans are better because they:. Offer 40 mg of standardized lignan extract per dose.

http://reviews.vitacost.com/4595/23839/reviews.htm

My brain hurts now....I really shouldn't have taxed myself by trying to figure out some big old formula when I already know that each 1/2 tsp of pressed flaxhull is equal to 66.8 mg lignans.

Glynda

[Harley PoMMom]

Hi Glynda,

Plant lignans come from sources such as flax seed, whole grain cereals, rye, legumes, seeds and nuts, berries, vegetables and fruits. Several hundred individual lignans have been discovered but the main research has focused on lignans from flaxseed (Linum usitatissimum). The main lignan from flaxseed is secoisolariciresinol diglucoside (SDG).

http://www.raysahelian.com/lignan.html

To me it says "standardized at 20% SDG: Flax lignan extract (LinumLife Extra) (standardized at 20% SDG)(seed) 40 mg".
So to me one capsule contains only 20% SDG lignan extract. I am pretty sure the formula is correct.

So for a 40 mg capsule, the 32 mg of lignan extract is from another plant source other than flax seed, only 8mg is coming from the flax seed. And I believe the lignan from the flax hull/seed is what is best. JMO.

Love and hugs,
Lori

[jrepac]

Shoot, I work w/numbers every day, and I think this is confusing! But, I think Lori is right...you have to factor in the 20% standardization to get to the true amount of Lignans. In looking at the bottle of Source Naturals Lignans I bought (which are also sub-branded as LinumLife from Acatris, Inc.), the front of the bottle says "70mg, 30 caps".

BUT, on the back of the bottle it says:

"High Lignan Flax Hull Extract 20%" "700mg per serving (2caps)"

and "Yielding 140mg of Lignans"...

which implies that a 70mg capsule is actually 70mg of lignans...

ho-ho-ho...which is it?? maybe I need to stick w/my ground flax seeds and yogurt

[jrepac]

per my last post, here is the link to my brand of lignans

http://www.sourcenaturals.com/products/GP1822/

in reading this again, I do think Lori is right...you'd need 700 mg...or 10 capsules to get 140 actual mg of lignans...

True or false?

[Harley PoMMom]

Hi Jeff,

Actually there on that site they did the math for you. So for 2 of their capsules you would get 140 mg of lignan.

Serving Size: 2 capsules ~ High Lignan Flax Hull Extract 20% (LinumLife™) (Yielding 140 mg Lignan) 700 mg

What they are telling you is "20% of 700 is 140," so for one capsule this is 70 mg of lignan.

Is this making sense? or am I confusing everyone.

Love and hugs,
Lori

[Squirt's Mom]

Hi Jeff,

Gonna hitch-hike your thread here a sec....

TADA!! That made perfect sense to me this morning, Lori! I am mathematically challenged and have not been able to make sense of this formulation until just now. geez...

So if the bottle says a certain herb has been standardized to, let's say, 10% and the bottle says the delivery package (capsule, pill, etc) has 60mg of XYZ herb, then 10% of 60 is 6 - so one would actually be getting 6mg of XYZ herb per dose...correct?

By wording the content the way it was on Jeff's bottle, i.e. "yielding", that company is telling you the actual amount of XYZ per dose. Am I on the right path with this? Makes sense, but that can be very dangerous in my little world.

Jeff, since I cook for Squirt I open all 3 of her lignan capsules plus the melatonin cap and sprinkle them all on her food along with the drops of Burdock and Astragalus. She never knows they are there! This is much easier for both of us than trying to give 4 capsules at one time.

Interesting discussion for me and quite informative...IF I've understood this correctly!

Hugs,
Leslie and the girls

[Harley PoMMom]

Hi Leslie,

Hi Jeff,

Gonna hitch-hike your thread here a sec....

TADA!! That made perfect sense to me this morning, Lori! I am mathematically challenged and have not been able to make sense of this formulation until just now. geez...

So if the bottle says a certain herb has been standardized to, let's say, 10% and the bottle says the delivery package (capsule, pill, etc) has 60mg of XYZ herb, then 10% of 60 is 6 - so one would actually be getting 6mg of XYZ herb per dose...correct?

Yes...Good job, it is confusing! and the 10%, 20% etc are specifics to something, so that's why Vitacost had to put 20% SDG because lignans come from many different plant sources and I/we want the SDG (flax seed/hull) kind of lignans.

By wording the content the way it was on Jeff's bottle, i.e. "yielding", that company is telling you the actual amount of XYZ per dose. Am I on the right path with this? Makes sense, but that can be very dangerous in my little world.

This "yielding" is tricky too, I look to see what it is standardized at first, then I look at the ingredients, then usually have to do the math.

Jeff, since I cook for Squirt I open all 3 of her lignan capsules plus the melatonin cap and sprinkle them all on her food along with the drops of Burdock and Astragalus. She never knows they are there! This is much easier for both of us than trying to give 4 capsules at one time.

Interesting discussion for me and quite informative...IF I've understood this correctly!

Hugs,
Leslie and the girls

Hope this helps.

Love and hug,
Lori

[jrepac]

mighty tricky
so my original read on this WAS correct
one 70mg capsule = 70mg of lignans...

whew!

I may try divvying up the cap since she only needs about 25mg a day....the taste is awful! maybe I'll mix in something sweet like the vanilla yogurt I've been using

[gpgscott]

Thanks for this discussion, we have been on auto pilot for so long I have not paid that much attention. Two years ago the recommendation from UTK was 1 40mg cap per day under 30 lbs and 2 over 30 lbs.

Dr. Oliver has updated this several times and I just called him to confirm. The most current recommendation from UTK is 1mg SDG/lb of body wt.

And Lori is correct that in the case of the NSI product the 40mg cap only yeilds about 8mg of SDG.

If you are using a bulk product you will find ranges of SDG from .5% to 1.5%. a calculator I found translates this into 50mg SDG@ .5%/rounded tablespoon and 150mg SDG@1.5%/rounded tablespoon.

Jeff your 70mg tab @20%SDG is 14mg SDG/tab.

Scott