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    I would add that in the absence of some of the hallmark signs of Cushing's like voracious appetite, panting for no reason, and no pot belly - I wouldn't put her thru the stress of another round of testing myself. IF she does have Cushing's it will come to light in time - one thing will be the total inability to get control of the diabetes. But this takes time to determine. Treating the diabetes for a few months won't tell the tale. However I am not an expert on this disease by any means so I hope you are talking to the folk at one of the diabetes sites, either the forum or the FB group. They will be able to direct you better. Even if the forum isn't very active these days that is where I would start. Just like our site, it is always staffed by those who know that disease and are willing to chat with you.
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    How soon after getting off medication do symptoms typically return?

    Thanks for the shampoo advice, we have been using the dechra anti fungal shampoo on her regularly. It works to help maintain, but when the infection starts getting bad then the shampoo seems pretty powerless against it, she needs a course of antibiotics every time. And sometimes the vet would even give her like a steroid shot, which we opt out of now.

    Daisy often gets yeast/redness in her groin area, she has folds around her vulva/urethra that get pretty deep, and moisture starts brewing infections there. Any tips for a product for that area? I asked the specialist, she said to use an ear cleaning solution to wipe that area, but the one she recommended seems to have a lot of negative reviews of people saying that their dog broke out from it and that it like burned them.

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    Yea i've been hanging out on the diabetic forum as well. What's the FB page called, is it also by same people or just general pages?

    Yes I think we're going to hold off on testing for Cushing's again. There has to be some boundaries of how much poking and prodding we're doing, at this point is seems like we're running in circles without any answers. I was mostly worried that her Diabetes was brought on by the Cushing's, hence why we wanted to treat the root cause, but there hasn't been a clear answer.

    One thing I'm still confused on though, is why wasn't her cortisol more suppressed if she DOESN'T have Cushing's? It was normal level upon recheck about 2-3 weeks after starting Vetoryl. Is it because the dose is so small that it doesn't have a huge effect?

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    The FB diabetic group is found here - https://www.facebook.com/groups/Cani...ndInformation/

    Bear in mind - as is the case with all FB groups you will get a LOT of opinion with little scientific support from the general membership. So find out who the Admins are and listen to them. As time goes on you will learn which members really know their stuff and which simply like to talk.

    As for the cortisol levels, what has happened is exactly what is most desired - the cortisol returns to normal range on a small dose. Daisy didn't have strong cush signs from what you have said. It was only as the diabetes came on that she started drinking and peeing excessively. What you saw prior to that diagnosis could have been very early signs of Cushing's, which was caught early, or could have been related to the BG starting its journey out the roof. With both diseases in play it is very hard to determine which causes what, even for the professionals. So just be grateful that Daisy's cortisol is where we want it to be. Remember that old adage about looking a gift horse in the mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anotherk9lover View Post
    Yes I think we're going to hold off on testing for Cushing's again. There has to be some boundaries of how much poking and prodding we're doing, at this point is seems like we're running in circles without any answers. I was mostly worried that her Diabetes was brought on by the Cushing's, hence why we wanted to treat the root cause, but there hasn't been a clear answer.

    One thing I'm still confused on though, is why wasn't her cortisol more suppressed if she DOESN'T have Cushing's? It was normal level upon recheck about 2-3 weeks after starting Vetoryl. Is it because the dose is so small that it doesn't have a huge effect?
    I do commend you for trying to get at the root cause of Daisy’s elevated glucose, if there is indeed something going on other than the diabetes itself. I’m just sorry that the Cushing’s diagnostic journey has been so perplexing! As far as the absence of oversuppression by the Vetoryl, that medication is sometimes prescribed for dogs who don’t have traditional Cushing’s but who suffer from hair loss that may be related to a different hormonal imbalance (“Alopecia X”). In those instances, the dose is not large and oversuppression doesn’t necessarily occur for those dogs, either. So I don’t think the fact that Daisy’s cortisol didn’t drop too low on the Vetoryl really makes Cushing’s more likely.

    For the time being, it does seem as though you’re stuck in a game of wait-and-see. But I agree with Leslie that the longer that Daisy goes without exhibiting a worsening of more typical Cushing’s symptoms, then the less likely it seems to me that she suffers from the disease.

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    I forgot to mention that you might want to try these skin wipes. Iíve never used them myself, but as I say, the shampoo did seem to to be very helpful for our girl. Douxo also makes a related spray.

    https://www.douxo.com/us/douxo-solut...rhexidine/Pads

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    Thank you, that is reassuring, also would explain why daisy's "pre" has dropped a bit lower upon recheck recently. Funny enough we were pretty sure that she fit some of the classic cushing's symptoms. Don't know if it's just one of those self fulfilling prophecies, or there's something there that wasn't conclusive. But you are right, it has been several years without any obviously declining symptoms, other than her hair getting less thick, but then again that can also be general aging.

    Thank you so much Marianne for the rec of the wipes, I will check out that brand!

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