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    Default My girl pug (confirmed Cushings & confirmed calcinosis cutis) / Tobey has passed

    Hi everyone,

    My name is Renee. I have three pugs, a female and two males. I am also heavily involved in running pug rescue up here in Alaska (with another amazing animal lover).

    My girl Tobey is my first pug. I got her as a puppy from a backyard breeder (before I knew better), and she is 10 years old now. Things have been quite baffling with her these last few years, although looking back, it seems that she has many symptoms that indicate possible cushings. Unfortunately, at the moment, she is unable to be tested for cushings due to being on prednisone (we are tapering her off right now).

    About 2 years ago, she started getting UTI's. They were wicked too, and I was sending out culture & sensitivities every month for a long time. For a few months she even had MRSP bacteria (related to MRSA). It was a long road to get these infections under control, but eventually we did. She did have surgery earlier this year for bladder stones, which turned out to be very untypical looking struvites (they appeared to be oxalate, but they were confirmed as struvites from the lab). Before the surgery, the ultra sound showed her kidneys to be 'dark' and containing possible stones / tumors as well, however, her kidney function has never been out of the normal range. After the surgery, she started having incontinence in her sleep. She 'wets the bed' a few times a month.

    Starting in October of this year, she began drinking a lot of water and having accidents in the house. She was also very gassy. I thought she may have another UTI, so we went to the vet for testing. She tested negative for a UTI, but given the possibility of early kidney disease (based on the ultrasound), we thought it was just a progression. We decided not to treat the gassiness and just wait and see how it progressed.

    About three weeks later, I took her back because she was unable to jump up on chairs / beds, etc that she had previously been able to jump on. In addition, her stomach seemed very bloated, and the gas was continuing. She was still drinking an excessive amount of water as well. We did a complete blood panel and xrays. The organ function and all other levels on the blood panel were within normal range, except for her phosphorus levels, which were in the normal-high range. At this point, given the xrays, my vet suspected some type of blockage. The xrays were taken 10 hours after her morning meal, and yet, her stomach appeared completely full, but it was not recognizable as food.

    She went back in the next day for a barium xray series. She had been fasted since the previous morning, and thankfully, her stomach was empty, so no blockage concerns. To help with digestion, I began home cooking for Tobey (which I still continue to do).

    Thus began the task of figuring out what could be going on with this random set of symptoms. We tested for thyroid. That was negative. We tested for diabetes. We tested kidney function again. I brought up the possibility of cushings, but my vet didn't think it was possible since her liver functions have always been within normal range. I am kicking myself for not pushing harder for the testing, but frankly, I love and adore my vet. Not only is she amazing with my pets, she is beyond amazing with our rescue dogs. I had no reason to doubt her, and I certainly don't blame her.

    Anyway, while we were still trying to figure stuff out, up pops these lesions on Tobey's back. We decided to try a week of abx to see how that affected them. The lesions got worse. My vet thought it was cancer. We did a biopsy last friday on five of the lesions, and proactively started a huge dose of pred. Of course, then the results came back this week that the lesions are calcinosis cutis. Not only has my vet never seen them, but she never even saw them in vet school, and in hundreds of rescue dogs, we have never seen them. She called and apologized and said that it is much more likely that it is cushings, although she is still baffled as to why the liver function is normal.

    We are now tapering off the pred so we can take the next step into the cushings testing.

    My poor girl seems miserable. Her lesions are painful, she's drinking so much water, and peeing a lot. She hates wearing diapers, but that is my only option for her at night. I hate to see her like this. Her digestion is better since I started cooking for her, which is an improvement. Since she is a pug, her appetite has always been good.

    If you've made it this far, bless you. I have read through many other threads, and I know that not only am I not alone, but that everyone has been at this beginning stage before as well. I will post test results, etc, as soon as they are available. We are done with the pred next Monday, then we have to wait before the cushings test can be done, so it may be a while.

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    Default Re: My girl pug (possible cushings & confirmed calcinosis cutis) / Introduction

    Hi and welcome to you and Tobey,

    First I just wanted to thank you for all your rescue work.

    We have a few members dealing with calcinosis cutis and I am sure they will stop by not only to welcome you but to share their experiences. We will all stay tuned for the cushings testing results.



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    Default Re: My girl pug (possible cushings & confirmed calcinosis cutis) / Introduction

    Glad you found us! It is a shame you started a huge dose of prednisone because prednisone is essentially cortisol. If your dog has cushings it is from too much cortisol so the prednisone added to the problem. You really do need to wean her off of it. Please tell us what you mean by a huge dose of prednisone.

    Specifically tell us how long she's been on prednisone, what dose and how much does she weigh?

    What is the weaning plan? Note that you must wait at least 24 hrs from the last dose of prednisone before doing a cushings test to make sure it is all out of her system and so that the test results aren't skewed.

    Thanks, Kim

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    Hi Kim,

    Thank you for the questions. She is18 pounds, and the dose is 20mg per day. My understanding is that is a fairly large dose for her size (as opposed to a past foster with a brain tumor that was on 10mg per day). We just started it last Friday, after her biopsies. I have already begun weening her off, and she should be completely done by next monday. My vet wants to wait a week before doing the cushings test to make sure the pred is completely out of her system.

    I should add that she has never, up until last week, been on prednisone or any steroid for that matter.
    Last edited by Renee; 12-05-2013 at 12:48 AM. Reason: add additional info
    Reneé
    Mom to Tobey, Ichiro & Skeeter. Foster mom for Polar Pug Rescue


    “Animals have done us no harm and they have no power of resistance…there is something so very dreadful…in tormenting those who have never harmed us, who cannot defend themselves, who are utterly in our power.”—Cardinal John Henry Newman

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    Default Re: My girl pug (possible cushings & confirmed calcinosis cutis) / Introduction

    Hi John, thank you for the welcome. Rescue is amazing. It frustrates me, breaks my heart, and makes me want to quit all the time... but, every time a dog is saved, I know something is right in the world. I've been doing pug rescue the last 5-6 years. Learned so much, but in all that time, I have not had a cushings dog!
    Reneé
    Mom to Tobey, Ichiro & Skeeter. Foster mom for Polar Pug Rescue


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    Default Re: My girl pug (possible cushings & confirmed calcinosis cutis) / Introduction

    Yikes that is a very large dose. Sounds like your vet has it under control. We have had many members deal with calcinosis cutis and hopefully some can give you their input re meds and shampoos that have helped. In the meantime you can do a forum search and find threads to read as there is a ton of experience here. Kim

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    Default Re: My girl pug (possible cushings & confirmed calcinosis cutis) / Introduction

    Hello and welcome to the forum.

    It seems like you have had a long journey to get to the point with poor Tobey going through so much.

    What a sweetheart you are. We have others on here that do rescues too, it is heart breaking at times and heart warming always.

    Yep, once the prednisone is out of the system and luckily she hasn't been on it for a really long time. (my golden was on pred since she was 2 years old and never could go off it completely) But once that is through and a suitable time has passed then you can start testing for cushings. It is strange that the liver enzymes aren't raised, as that is a general clinical sign, but it is not true for all cushings dogs. In fact it is great that they aren't. There are two tests, and because cushings is so hard to diagnose and because you definitely don't want to give cushings meds to a dog that doesn't have it, many of our members have both tests done to confirm. They are an ACTH test, which will be high if there is anything else going on too, and an LDDS, which determines their ability to suppress cortisol.

    It sounds like you have already done a lot of research which is good. We also have a very good research section that you can browse through. Knowledge is key with cushings and since your vet doesn't have a lot of experience with it, um, or any, then you will have to work as a team to get this right. You can print out any studies or recommendations to take in to her, to help her to get up to speed.

    One thing that we are real sticklers on, is protocols. Protocols for dosing and for testings. Following the most current recommendations for treatment, will produce the best results and be the safest. In conjunction with the protocols though is the knowledge that every dog is different and what they need might be different too. Some dogs do a bit better with higher levels of cortisol, some with much lower. Symptoms is the key to determining that. With the cc though, it can get worse before it gets better and is one of the last things to usually clear up.
    Just a thought to keep her comfortable is tea compresses. Camomille, green tea is currently helping to keep one of our forum boxers comfortable. Onsies is another thing you can try to put on her to keep her from messing with the cc. (they also work pretty well to keep diapers on)

    Wow, that is probably enough for now. I don't want to overwhelm you all in one post. LOL

    Welcome again
    Sharlene and Molly Muffin
    Sharlene and the late great diva - Molly muffin (always missed and never forgotten)

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    Default Re: My girl pug (possible cushings & confirmed calcinosis cutis) / Introduction

    Hi Sharlene,

    Thank you for the welcome and the information. I did check out the resources forum. Lots of useful stuff in there! I've been slowly reading throughout the last few days.

    I have already spoken to my vet about doing both the ACTH & LDDS testing. She said that she would like to start with the ACTH first, then the LDDS. She does not have a lot of experience with cushings, but she is also very open to working with other vets, and we do have a veterinary internist up here. I don't care much for the internist, so I'd rather try and stick with my vet and work in conjunction with the internist. That being said, I will of course put my personal feeling aside regarding the internist, and go to her whenever I need to.
    Reneé
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    It is good to have a team to work with, the internist and your vet. Does the internist have experience with cushings? I see both, my specialist for ultrasound and consultation and my vet for tests, etc.

    Sharlene and Molly Muffin
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    Default Re: My girl pug (possible cushings & confirmed calcinosis cutis) / Introduction

    Hi Renee,

    Welcome to you and Tobey, so sorry for the reasons that brought you here but sure glad you found us.

    Cushing's is one of the most difficult canine diseases to diagnose, which makes it one of the most misdiagnosed diseases. Many of the symptoms Tobey is showing can be attributed to prednisone, Calcinosis cutis included.

    When it comes to canine kidney disease, 50%-75% of kidney function is lost before increases in the creatinine are seen. If this were me, since the ultrasound did show abnormalities with Tobey's kidneys I would have this issue checked out further...just my opinion, and I am sure others will be along to share theirs.

    If you have any questions please do ask them, and know we are here to help in any way we can.

    Hugs, Lori

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