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    Default cush dog with kidney failure please help

    Hi, I have an 11yr old dog and I really need some advice what to do for her. She was determined to have all of these problems by way of various lab tests:
    a skin infection, a urinary tract infection that has spread into the kidneys and become pyelonephritis, PDH cushings disease, and an ultrasound showed a possibility of mild pancreatitis.

    In brief, my dog was given an injectable gentocin antibiotic for the pyelonephritis, developed acute renal failure due to it and was hospitalized. They told me that she would surely die in a few days and tried to convince me to euthanize her, but she looked just fine to me other than not eating so I had them keep her on IV fluids. She was released about a week later on subQ fluids and has shown good improvement since. But she is supposed to eat KD and she doesn't like it, she has lost a lot of weight and she needs to start eating twice as much as she currently is. She would gladly eat chicken but it's bad for the kidneys... I know that I can give her 15mg mirtazapine to get her eating KD, but I am afraid to do that because I don't want to make her renal failure any worse than it is, and medication is what got her in trouble to begin with.

    Her last tested kidney values are: Creatinine 4.9, BUN 71, Phosphorus 6.5


    Questions:
    #1 My dog is on 500ml lactated ringers twice daily, the vet wants to lower the dose to 300ml twice daily beginning on 11/21, is this advisable? How long and at what dose should subQ ordinarily be given?

    #2 I am worried about an edema or other complications related to fluids, especially if this becomes a long term chronic condition, isn't there any way to prevent an edema?

    #3 My dog hates the taste of the KD food. I am mixing chicken in with it so that she will eat it. This is barely working though, what can I feed her that is safe and she would like to eat? I couldnt find any dietary intake values for renal dogs online.

    #4 Do you think it is safe or would you recommend just giving mirtazapine to force the dog into eating pure KD food? For how long would this be safe, and how do we know it won't damage her further, as she is already on several other medications: epikitin, famotidine,

    azodyl, and the lactated ringers solution. Uncleared medication becomes toxic right?

    #5 How serious is it if an infection returns to her kidneys now while she has renal failure? Could anything be done to save her if that happens?


    History:
    [10/01/11] begins amoxicillian for urinary tract infection and skin infection (labs have not shown yet that the UTI is resistant), cushings is confirmed with low dose dex test.
    [10/04/11] initial kidney values are slightly elevated: BUN 32, Creatinine 1.0, Phosphorus 5.1, specific gravity 1.007 (she was not concentrating urine.) -- Dr. says the kidneys look fine to him and she is OK to start trilostane
    [10/06/11] begins on trilostane (100mg compounded), she weighed 33kg at this time.
    [10/13/11] I start to notice a bad reaction to trilostane; hind leg weakness, loss of appetite, lethargy -- I suspect kidney damage or an addisonian reaction, Dr. assures me all is fine and to continue.
    [10/18/11] symptoms become more severe; front & rear leg weakness and trembling so bad that she cannot sit, not eating or drinking
    [10/20/11] trilostane ends today, ACTH test done and cortisol still high which rules out the reaction to trilostane as an addisonian response. Put on ketochlor shampoo for skin infection, 1 dose of comfortis flea pill given.
    [10/26/11] dog begins to eat normally again
    [10/28/11] An ultrasound is taken, showing pyelonephritis. Labs say its a resistant strain of ecoli. It's decided to treat this infection before any further attempts to treat the cushings disease.
    [10/30/11] begins gentocin injections, which are contraindicated for renal affected patients, described as a little risky but a benefit since the drug will have more effect on the kidney and should rid the infection better, kidney values tested
    [11/03/11] dog's kidney values tested again and apparently still look ok, I don't have the lab results for this day
    [11/05/11] dog doesn't eat her dinner at 11pm, it goes unnoticed until the next morning
    [11/06/11] sunday, vet is closed, not knowing what to do I give another dose of gentocin
    [11/07/11] dog hospitalized and put on IV fluids at 4pm, diagnosed with acute renal failure
    [11/12/11] dog sent home with 250ml lactated ringers once daily, azodyl, epikitin, famotidine.
    [11/13/11] dog stops eating and drinking again, appears lethargic, taken to an ER and an ER doctor changes orders to 500ml lactated ringers twice daily.

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    Default Re: cush dog with kidney failure please help

    I want to welcome you to our forum, but I am so sorry about your dog's kidney problems! We do have some members who have battled renal failure, and I hope that they will be by today in order to offer some thoughts or suggestions. Perhaps there may even be an internet forum similar to ours that is dedicated more specifically to canine renal issues. In the meantime, I just want you to know that we are here to offer our support in whatever ways we are able.

    Sending many hugs to you and to your girl,
    Marianne

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    Hi and welcome from me as well!

    My boy, Harley, had kidney issues too. I joined a K9kidney forum which provided me with a lot of information, here is the link: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9KIDNEYS/. I really do recommend that you join there as well.

    Since your furbaby has pancreatitis along with the kidney failure, watching the fat intake is important. Skinless, boneless chicken breasts that are at least 95% fat-free would be a good protein food source. Any white fish such as talipia and or eggs are also good protein sources. I would suggest feeding white rice, cooked very mushy and serving the rice with the protein. This dogaware link can help you with determining what food is best for a dog with kidney issues: http://www.dogaware.com/health/kidney.html but keep in mind that your furbaby has pancreatitis.

    Another medication I would recommend is either Pepcid AC or slippery elm bark. Dogs that have kidney problems and are not eating properly accumulate excess acid in their stomach and the Pepcid AC/slippery elm bark will help with that. Here is a link about SEB: http://www.littlebigcat.com/health/slippery-elm/

    I am so sorry about the circumstances that brought you here but glad you found us and we will help in any way that we can. Please ask any and all questions that you have.

    Love and hugs,
    Lori

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    Default Re: cush dog with kidney failure please help

    Hi, thanks for the welcome. I am really worried for my dog I still don't know if she's going to live or die or get better or stay sick. I do have her on pepcid, famotidine is the generic name for it, they told me it was to prevent ulcers. My baby hasn't shown signs of pancreatitis for at least 2 years so I'm not too worried about that, I think maybe she does need the fat right now to get her weight and strength back up. I did have her on g/d food which was lower fat for pancreatic dogs but its also higher in phosphorous so I put her on k/d, she hates both either way. I am trying to get her creatinine and BUN to go lower so I guess we need to remove protein from the diet to accomplish that.

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    Hi and welcome to the forum.

    I only have a second but wanted to provide you a link to some good information on kidney diet.

    http://dogaware.com/health/kidneydiet.html

    I'll check in on your thread tomorrow.

    Glynda

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    I wouldn't recommend eliminating all protein from her diet, but since she is uraemic (high creatinine + high BUN) a reduction might be warranted.

    If her phosphorus is elevated a phosphorus binder is necessary since high phosphorus accelerates renal failure and makes the dog feel nauseated thus not wanting to eat.

    In humans the supplement CoQ10 has lowered levels of serum creatinine and BUN (blood urea nitrogen.) Here's a link about this study:http://www.rejuvenation-science.com/...y_failure.html

    Please keep us posted.

    Love and hugs,
    Lori

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    Default Re: cush dog with kidney failure please help

    hello!!!! welcome!!!!
    I am not sure how much I can offer to help but i will toss a couple of thoughts your way.
    i would speak to a specialist...a nutritionist. (sorry i may have spelled wrong) If she doesnt like the food suggested, THERE IS ANOTHER OUT THERE that will work. BUT be careful they dont trigger another response. I learned that one the hard way.....My vet wants mine on prescription hills....we have been on 4 or more in less than 6 months.........the nutritional value truly lacks. General vets are not very educated at all in nutrition, but a specialist will be. And one had so much fat content in it she landed in icu for pancreaitic attack. One of them even had saw dust as a filler. There are some decent foods out there, and some that claim they are all that when they are not.
    Low protein diets can be harmful and must be carefully done and same for grain free diets.
    Stormee (Skye)

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    Default Re: cush dog with kidney failure please help

    Hi skye, I have heard that they have nutritionists at hills you can talk to for free at the 800 number, I haven't got a chance to call them up yet myself. My pup was on their prescription i/d food for a while which is the one for pancreatic dogs and she really liked it.

    I took a chance last night and made some food from that dogaware site lulusmom posted, i made up rice and hamburger and she ate a whole pot full of rice and about 1lb of hamburger mixed in! Not the most nutritionally balanced meal but she was happy and ate without a fight. I'm going to try potatoes instead of meat next time, if this works not only will it be a good way to cut out the protein but also very economical compared to the prescription diet food. I got a 10lb bag of rice for $13, and a 10lb bag of russet potatoes on sale for $1.

    I'm interested to know if anyone has tried using CoQ10 for their dog, how did it work out?

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    Hi,

    A word of caution about diet - we can really mess up a dog's system by feeding unbalanced foods and we can do that quickly. If you really want to help your baby fight via nutrition, you need a nutritionist or nutritional consultant to work with. They will take all your baby's health issues, environment, age, activity level, breed, etc into consideration when designing a menu. There are several good people out there who can help you with this. Learn from my mistake - after a pancreatic attack I decided it was best to remove as much fat as possible from the diet and that was so wrong; it made my baby sick. If you want to add the beef and rice to the prescription feed to encourage her to eat it, that is ok, but to give her that alone over a period of time will lead to worse troubles than she already has. Monica Segal is one I would recommend you talk with. I don't recommend any diets you find on the web. For a healthy pup, it might be ok but for one with a compromised system it is like taking someone else's medicine just because you both have stomach aches tho you may each have very different conditions. You dog is a unique biological system, unlike any other, and needs to be treated as such.

    And don't waste your time calling the "nutritionist" at Hill's or any other dog food manufacturer. They won't be able to tell you anything other than how wonderful their feed is - they are being paid by that manufacturer after all. They could care less about your dog or any other - they only care about selling their product regardless of how worthless it may be. I met a "nutritionist" from Hills just a couple of months ago at our local PetSmart. Her training? A two day seminar given by Hills.

    Renal failure is serious business and should be tackled by experienced professionals who are working for YOU and YOUR baby.

    Just my 2 cents worth.

    Hugs,
    Leslie and the gang
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    Exactly my point about Hills...............and so many others. I am sooooo looking forward to seeing a nutritionist after my girl is through her surgery and recovery. A REAL one.
    GREAT post Lesile. Wish more people could know about this.
    Stormee (Skye)

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