Trixie - Schnauzer being treated with Vetoryl - Trixie has crossed The Bridge
Hi..I am new here and amazed at all the information that is on this site. It has been most helpful as I am someone who feels a bit less nervous if I have some knowledge. My mini schnauzer Trixie is almost 9 and during a "senior" check up was found to have high liver levels. She was put on Denamarin for 30 days. We did do a recheck blood test after about 10 days and the levels began to get lower but in the meantime the classic Cushing's symptoms were becoming noticeable. After more bloodwork after she was off the Denamarin for about 8 days she was found with levels back up.
ALT: 246
ALK-P: 1295
GGTP: 39
She has been in great shape, gets a lot of exercise and seems pretty much fine except for the hunger issue. She is very hungry.
On Monday she will have both an ultrasound and the 8 hour test (can't recall the name but have been reading about it here). My Vet is good and has worked with many Cushing's dogs. I tried to get an appt. with Dr. Mark Peterson as he is a endochrine specialist and located where I live here in New York City. I didn't realized I would need to be referred to him after my own vet does all the diagnostics ...then he would do a exam fo my dog, work-up and treatment plan, I was so hoping to go right to him but guess it doesn't work that way. Meanwhile I do have faith in my vet practice and it is just a walk across the street for Trixie and me. Anyway I am just shaken up by having all this happen so quickly but will be happy to have some of the test work over by Monday afternoon. I am distressed that my pup has to spend 8 hours at the vet and I know this will stress her...I'm already stressed by it. The fact that she can't eat anything Monday morning is also going to be a tough one. She has been so hungry. She stands and stares at me which is the sign for "give me something-anything!". The whole medication aspect is also giving me anxiety. My dog has such a sensitive tummy and it doesn't take much for a bout of the runs and the vomits, so the meds make me nervous. My vet assures me it will all be okay and he said he doesn't see too many problems with Lysodren--did I get the name right. Anyway I am so happy to have this site and all of your advice and experience to help me through. Can I expect that once on the drugs she will be kind of okay? Even with her liver strained and the food/water/peeing issues she is still happy and lively and walked for an hour in Central Park this morning. Can I expect she will most likely get through this without too much distress? Oh-and same question goes for me too??
Re: almost diagnosed/now a question
So here it goes already--do you notice a wax and wane of symptoms? Today Trixie is not being so obvious in her list of symtoms. Again she took a long morning walk, had off leash time in the park, plenty of energy, came home and drank water but not a crazy amount considering all the outdoor time she had. Usual crazy hunger is still quite apparent though. She just hopped up on the couch and did not hesitate making the jump as she has been doing all week. Also quite a bit less bloated than a day or two ago.
The other thing to note is that she is now on day 4 of getting the Denamarin. Her liver levels are high and I believe this drug works great for her. She was on it in Feb, when high levels were first discovered and before I began to really notice possible Cushing's symptoms. Levels climbed right back up after completing the round of meds and then the symptoms were more pronounced.
I don't doubt the behavior and symptoms I have seen the last couple of weeks...but then today it's all much less. Then on Monday I am putting her through this day of testing?
If her liver levels were not so high I would not rush into the testing and possible medication if Cushing's is positive..but it can't be good to have levels that are 10 x the norm, right?
Can the Denamarin have an effect on the Cushing's symtoms? I don't know how that drug would effect anything but the liver.
Any feedback thoroughly appreciated! Barbara
Re: almost diagnosed--now confirmed and nervous
Now I am over my happiness of having the all day vet visit over with and in nervous/upset/panic mode once again. The vet called and yes, Cushing's is confirmed. (no surprise really but the reality is awful) No Adrenal tumor and results show Pituitary.
Now meds will start and that is what is frightening me. So all those doing Trilostane--help!
Vet will prescribe low dose/2x a day which is the protocol Dr. Peterson suggests as best in his blog. Vet said he will call in at the compounding pharmacy because Trixie is in between doses. We'll start at 7mg 2x a day. Trixie is 14 pounds. I don't have the numbers from the low dose test yet because he just called me, but I'll go by and pick up the test results at some point. We will do the test to check...(I forget the letters--is in ATH?) in 7 days from the start which I think will be tomorrow.
So for those who are using this did you see tummy upset/diarrhea right away or a couple days into it or not at all? Bad lethergy? After a few days did it get worse or better? I know all dogs are different, all meds are at different levels and some may not have any side effects or have many, but I'm just trying to anticipate what to maybe expect and what happened with other dogs.
He said he has good results with the low dosage. I am so worried though. I am home so I can sit here and watch her like a hawk...have been doing this the last few weeks anyway. I may have to run out here and there on Thursday but would still be here all day...just quick errands...if the dog appears ok you can leave her for a bit right? I probably sound crazy asking questions like that. I'm just so worried now. Trixie has no other health issues, she's been very active even during all the Cushings symptoms which for her have been the drinking, the eating, the peeing, and a little hesitation before jumping up. Thanks for any advice on this. Barbara :eek:
Re: almost diagnosed-now confirmed and nervous
Thank you Lori..feeling so weepy but happy to know you agree with the low dose. I know I do..was happy with his approach. Yes..he said most definitely will be given with food.
I'm going to check out the info on the link right now. I am hoping to start the drug tomorrow once the compounding place has it ready. They are here in the city so I think I will have it tomorrow.
Barbara