Tipper - adrenal tumor/breathing issues

Hi Everyone:
The dogs were llama watching today. We could not stay long as it was too hot for Tipper. My elderly neighbor called me from the dollar store in town, and asked if I could help him get his car started. He said the key would not turn to start the car. I went up with Tipper and left the air on for her. I got in his car and turned the steering wheel back and forth, and the key turned and it started. He was so happy, I could tell he was still not feeling well so no big deal. The time on the porch was limited as Tipper was too hot today. They are both passed out in the air conditioning. It was nice not cooking too much. I seldom eat hot dogs, but Nathans is my favorite, so I grilled a few and gave some to my elderly neighbor. A lot of my neighbors are having cook outs with their dads. I sure miss my dad so much and just try to keep busy today. Tipper has laser therapy Tuesday and Wednesday is Adequan . I saw the weather and it is nothing but sforms for the next seven days!!! This should be a real challenge. Blessings
Patti

hi patti, i miss my dad too.
a -not cooking- hot dog day is good.
lazy sunday.
our shops are closed on sunday.
7 days of storms? not good!
hope you hear from the pain clinic tomorrow!
i have to go to bed now, so sleep well.

Hi Everyone:
Well the doggie have already walked as we are to get a storm and I wanted to get the exercise in. Has anyone else heard about those mosquitoes in the Caribbean? I am always on the look out for them near my dogs. God knows we do not need more issues. I am waiting until the pain clinic opens to call them. The doggies had a good weekend, but Tipper continues to go to the closet to sleep. It really makes me feel bad. I asked Sharlene this and now I will ask everyone the same thing. Because Tipper's fluids have to be restricted during her surgery does anyone think that is going to cause issues with her liver? If so do you think it will just be temporary? I know my cats have required extra fluid to get the anesthesia cleared out, as one was not feeling well afterward for some time. The more I think of this the less inclined I am to do it. I was watching Tipper yesterday on the porch for the few minutes she stayed out, and this disease has really ages her. The brown mask she used to have is so light now it is barely detectable compared to how it was. She looks like a grey haired old lady. He eyelashes etc. are even turning. It is really troubling to see these changes in her physical appearance. Well Tipper is at the window wanting to go at it with the Blue jays as they are fighting all the birds off the feeders again. I have to give them credit, they know how to survive. We are to get storms for seven days so this will be a real test with Tipper. Blessings
Patti

The Caribbean virus is really nasty, not as bad as the one in the middle east, but still bad and the Caribbean one is mosquito born, but from what I understand, the type of mosquito that carries the virus isn't adaptable to our climates. However, people coming back from somewhere, that they caught it could maybe spread it to another person.
That is just what I've heard, I think they did a medical report on it as we have many people who got to the Caribbean in the winter time from Canada.
I'm kind of glad we didn't go this year since it was bad down there, with over 100,000 report to have it in Dominican Republic.

It is always hard to see our furbabies age. Any sign of them getting older or sickness is just sad to watch.

Hope the storms pass you by
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

It is. I noticed that even Daisy's whiskers had turned white last week! I almost pulled one out thinking that it was cat fur or something else stuck to her face. Then I realized what is was. She just looked at me like "really mom? You don't recognize MY whiskers yet?"

Hi Everyone:
Well guess who has an appointment with the pain clinic??? The bad part is that it is over a month away. Are these people kidding me?? It has looked bad outside several times today, and I have been watching the weather. I am so glad I have not even thought about dosing Tipper. We will just ride this one out as it is to continue until Sunday! Tomorrow is laser therapy, oh lord I have to buy another 5 sessions. It seems to get used up so fast. I am not complaining, I will walk on hot coals to keep my girlie going, it just gets so hard to manage. I noticed her one rear leg bothering her today, so it is good we go tomorrow.Wednesday she gets Adequan, and Thursday Elvis goes to the traveling vet to get his nails and wings clipped, and his beak removed, just kidding, but maybe not, he has been so mean this past week. He even got nasty when poor Toby went up to his cage to see him, and he loves Toby. So we have many appointments to go to this week. It is very hot like 85 and very humid. We are to have high 90s for the rest of the week. Tipper and Toby are passed out already! The cat was yowling last not and kept me awake for most of the note. I found fur from one on the floor in the living room upon getting up, so I guess they were fighting as they sometimes do. Lucky always starts it as my Chance is and has always been the most gentlecat I have ever had, so I know who the culprit is! At nite Chance likes to sit on the back of the sofa and watch what is going on in the neighborhood and for some reason it irks Lucky, so Lucky will sneak up behind him and swat him for no reason. I have caught him doing it many times. Chance just does not understand Lucky's nastiness. Chance never even strikes back at him he is so gentle, so Lucky just keeps it up until I stop it. Hope all stays quiet tonite. Blessings
Patti

Hi Everyone:
Well guess who has an appointment with the pain clinic??? The bad part is that it is over a month away...................

really? .... you will have to wait 1 month.............ggrrrr!
hope the storms will be without thunder and lightning.
my ian is blue merle, so he is already sort of grey in his face his whole life.
the weather was cooler today, and ian found a football in the streets and was very happy!
just like before the cushing. he is feeling very well!
good luck with the trips in the bad weather.

Patti, I was going to say on my thread and forgot. Liquids and anthesia are not a good combination. That is why they don't want her to have too much before going under for surgery. I'd think it would be worse if she had a bunch to drink before hand.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

Patti, I just want to check if you are asking about restricting fluids prior to the operation, or is the vet planning to do something different during the operation?
Hamish had 3 lumps removed when he was around 11 - one was a very small lump on his ear (and the reason for the op as he would scratch his ear and I was worried he might catch the lump and make it bleed) plus another small one and a fatty lump the size of a tennis ball on his chest. We had to withhold food and water from around 8pm the night before (he wasn't happy!) but he was allowed to eat / drink the evening of the operation (although he was rather groggy so not overly interested). I'm not sure if it will help as he was healthy at the time but it took around 2-3 weeks for everything to heal fully. About 2 months later he developed two more large fatty lumps in his groin area but they never bothered him so we just left them.

Sorry to hear about the wait for the pain clinic - did you ask them to call you if they got any cancellations? I have to book at least 3 months ahead to get an appointment with the podiatrist, but they do try to fit you in if they get cancellations.

Patti, I am glad MC and Sharlene are asking about your concern about fluid restriction because I, too, have been hoping to clarify your specific worry. The pre-anesthetic "nothing by mouth" restriction is just to make sure that the stomach will be empty and nothing can be vomited up and aspirated. After the surgery, I think it is usually the restoration of kidney function, rather than liver, that is the bigger concern in direct relation to fluids. Changes in blood pressure and fluid volume can throw the kidneys "off," as it were. But if necessary, IV rehydration can be started. I know certain anesthetic agents can be hard on the liver, so that can be a concern. But is there something in particular about Tipper that has you especially worried about her liver in conjunction with the few hours that she would be fasted before the surgery?

Hi Everyone:
Thank you for helping on my concerns with Tipper. I am worried about no water before hand, but my main concern is that the Cardiologist wants iv fluid restricted while Tipper is under to prevent congestive heart failure. I am worried that the restriction of this fluid will affect her liver as it did with my cat. My cat had to have extra fluids as this made him sick he would not eat and when tested his liver values were high. Since these dogs livers are already under stress I do not want to add to it. Marianne you said certain types of anesthesia will do this. They have used an anesthesia for older animals the last few times with Tipper. I may email the IMS and ask her to go over with the anesthesiologist the best one to use for Tipper, and hope that my vets have that particular one. I am worried about her kidneys also. This is very scary to me and I am all but ready to put the brakes on this. If anyone else has nay concerns or feels this is not a good idea please tell me as I am very worried and need your input desperately. I do not want to cause my dog any troubles and she has enough, and certainly do not want anything to happen to her. If you have any suggestions whatsoever that will help please post them. I do know about the aspiration end of this and fasting as Tipper gets acid reflux at times and she could definitely aspirate into her lungs so I always adhere to that rule. I am just worried about no water and her kidneys. Has anyone else gone through this? How did it work out , and did you do anything special to circumvent these potential problems? We had a quiet nite and Tipper went in the closet and slept. It is dark this morning and threatening. I will not dose her until I am really sure we are going to get a bad storm. Leslie told me this stuff can lose efficacy and have reverse affects on the dog, and I did read that also. I do not want to use it too much and have that happen as it is the only tool I have left. The dogs have already walked twice. My elderly neighbor called before 8am. He just wanted to tell me he is going to the store himself. He is so frugal he does not want to spend money on even a throw away cell phone that he can carry in case of an emergency with that car of his as it is older. This is a rural area and he would have to walk miles for help, but he will not listen. My arthritis is in high gear today. I could barely get out of bed and I am stiff as a board still and my hands are swollen up. It is all this moisture I am sure. Well today is laser therapy so I better get moving and get some things done. Blessings
Patti

Patti,
I hope everything goes well with Tipper's surgery. Sorry I don't know anything about the water concerns.
Thank you for thinking of Scoop, Archie and me. I wrote a response to you on Raleigh, Archie and Gus' thread.
Hugs

Hi Everyone:
I just wanted to say I faxed the IMS as letter asking her to consult with Tipper's anesthesiologist on the best anesthesia for Tipper knowing she will have limited
IV fluids, and my concern about her liver and kidneys having problems. Also if she should have any additional fluids afterwards. I will talk with my vet tomorrow, and make sure he knows the instruction will be coming from the IMS and ask due to Tipper's condition that she be first on the OR list because of her limited water intake. I also asked the IMS if Tipper is good enough for this to be done, and if she had any suggestions that would help keep her safe. I told her there will be two vets with her during the whole procedure. I just am not comfortable without an anesthesiologist, since my vet does not have one, I must compensate with two vets. My head will be totally Greg by the not before this procedure. When they intubate her I want them to pay attention to her epiglottis and soft palate if it is hanging down too far causing these swallowing and breathing issues. I will see what the IMS recommends for all this. We went to laser therapy, and Tipper is not even wanting outside as the heat and humidity are so oppressive. I came home to yet another call from my neighbors daughter, and this is getting old now real quick. Blessings
Patti

Dear Patti
I have been so wrapped up in my own selfish grief that I have not tried to be there for others. I don't know how you answer almost every post. You and Addy and Sharlene,Molly's mom are such angels as many others. Thank you
Cushing's babies heat up very easily. Some thing's I did for Apollo was buy him a cooling pad to help with the heat, see below. I would also soak a scarf or small towel in cold water and wrap it around his neck and when in the car I would squirt him with cool water like a mist to cool him down.

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Hugs Sonja and Angel Apollo

Thank you Sonja I am so thankful for the help of this forum and all the caring people, I just try to give back and help others. It makes me happy if I can help someone else struggling with this overwhelming disease, as I once did. Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti, Like Sonja said...you are an Angel here! I know we all appreciate you! I'm sure Tipper will be OK. The Vets should know by now what they are doing with her. Like the others, I have no clue about the fluids either and the effects. Maybe, one of others will. Please try not to worry so much.....I know it's hard not to. You're in mine and Eli's prayers. :) You need to take care of yourself too. I'll light a new candle for Tipper to! :)

What's up with that pain clinic? Can't you go somewhere else? :mad: That makes me mad that they're dragging their feet with you.....when you are in so much pain! :(

Hang in...we're all here for you too!!

BTW....for Sonja...I did light a candle for little Angel Apollo too.....but, I'm sure it's gone by now.

I saw a candle lit for Tipper...please tell me she's ok...

Hi Everyone:
We just got a severe thunderstorm warning and I have been out on the porch several times. It is getting black out now. I decided to cut the pill in half in the slim chance this misses us. I have just dosed her. Hope this works out as they said this is a dangerous storm with hail. Blessings
Patti

Hi Again Everyone:
I neglected to tell everyone yesterday that I went on the page for all the dogs that have passed where there pictures are, and posted my messages for all the babies there. I apologize for not doing it sooner, but I don't think I realized they were there, or did not want to look, one of the two not sure which. At any rate I am sorry as I know how important each and every one is to all of you, and wanted you to know it is important to me to recognize each and every one. Blessings
Patti

Tornado on the ground 7 miles from us, it is going east supposedly which is away from us, our siren is going off. Thank God I gave Tipper meds she is OK and there is lots of thunder. I have all my babies together.

I hope everything is ok and the tornado just went away.

Patti, as you know Zoe had two surgeries, a minor surgery to remove a growth on her neck that burst open and would not stop bleeding and her vulva surgery to remove a tumor which was very extensive as the tumor was deeper than originally thought so they also had to remove part of her vulva.

On the first surgery I expressed my concern about her thin skin but the IMS thought she had healthy skin as well so she checked it carefully and decided there was enough healthy skin that her thin skin would not be an issue. Of course we then had a lot of break through bleeding after surgery but it was in a bad spot and Zoe was oblivious to it all.

The vulva surgery we were able to develop a plan that called for a spinal block so less anesthesia could be used. That worked brilliantly and we did the same thing for my mother when she broke her hip.

My point is if you have a detailed discussion with the team taking care of Tipper's surgery, they should be able to answer your concerns.

Of course, we always worry. I know how hard it is going through two surgeries with Zoe. I just had to keep the faith it would all be ok. The post op was worse than the fasting and the surgeries. So make sure you have all your post op bases covered.

thinking of you all

hi patti, that sounds very scary, 7 miles, that is really close!
glad that tipper is doing fine so far.
hope there will be no damage at your house.
like you said, those pain clinic people do not know what pain can do to you.....
stay safe!

Hope everything is okay where you and the babies are at! 7 miles is way to close for comfort!!
Stay safe
hugs
sharlene and molly muffin

Good morning Patti.

Just wanted to check in on Tipper and see how things went yesterday. We had a bad storm too and of course I thought of her. Did you put a radio in the closet with her? The soft music and turning the night lights on helped Tia.

I know this weather isn't good for you either. I can tell when the rain is coming because my joints start hurting too. It's crazy how that happens. Take care of yourself and stop worrying about the neighbor so much. Tell his daughter you have so many things going on now that you just don't have enough hours in the day to take on anymore responsibilities. Hopefully she will understand. I know it's hard not to worry, but it's her father and it's her responsibility.

Keeping y'all in my prayers and sending love,
Donna

Hi Everyone:
We are all safe. What a nite with tornado sirens going off everywhere. I have to give my Tipper all the credit in the world. I only gave her half a pill and she was very calm. Before I gave it to her she sat on the bed and listened to some rumbles. After a while she got up and walked, not her usual panic run, to the closet. She stayed there until I got everyone together when the siren went off. Oh what a job that is especially with cats. She remained calm. This morning it started rumbling and she is panting some, but by no means scared and in a panic, which is the complete opposite of her. She is laying on the bed as I type this listening to loud rumbles of thunder!!! I am not believing this!! I did give her half a pill a few minutes ago as this is to go on all day and we have to go in the car to the vets, and I had no idea she would be this calm!!!. I am floored. I think these pills have helped her realize she can go thru this and it won't hurt her. She needs Adeauan and I need to talk to my vet about her operation. Will post later, blessings
Patti

I was thinking about you this morning as we had very heavy rain and the threat of thunderstorms, so I'm very pleased to hear that you are all safe, and very well done Tipper.
I hope the discussion with the vet goes well. I have to take Henry to the groomers.

Hi Everyone:
Wow what a busy day. We had a horrible nite and woke up to more bad weather. On the way to the vets we had hail, and pounding rain, thunder and lightening. Tipper did not enjoy the ride to say the least. The vet did get to see her in this terrified state, so that was good. She is napping from a hard morning. The roads were like lakes, the worst I have seen here. So we discussed Tipper's operation and dental. I asked him because of her situation if they could take her first, so they put her on the schedule to be the first patient done. My IMS sent me an email last nite detailing the instructions from the anesthesiologist. Some went over them. I asked him about problems with Tipper's kidneys or liver and he said with what the anesthesiologist gave him to follow she will be fine. I asked about the healing since she will have 7 of these lumps removed. I voiced my concern about her thin skin. He said in because these heal from side to side that will not be an issue. I asked aboitnthe calcium deposit on her leg and he said get rid of it, get it all done now, you do not want to leave anything and have to do this again. He said he will check her epiglottis and soft palate while intubating her to see if they are causing these noises and her struggles with breathing. I asked him on a scale from 1-10 how confident is he Tipper will do well he said 11. He tried to tell me I do not have to worry as Tipper has been so well cared for, and even though she is compromised now, he would expect her to do better than some of his healthy dogs he has had would. He said she is in the best shape of any Cushing's dog they have had. That does not comfort me. The laser therapist told me yesterday that Tipper's leg muscles are still huge. Well all I could say to that is you should have seen her when she was well. I am sorry but all these things said don't help me not worry about her as they are not thinking about the two tumors she has. You can be in the best shape in the world and a tumor can end it all. Anyway I am feeling a little better now that we went over things. I did forget to ask about her knee on the rear leg, it has the largest of the lumps. I am worried about her licking it as that is one she will be able to reach and she cannot wear an e collar because of her trachea. If we cover it it may weep and not heal good. Any ideas will be appreciated. Maybe the stockings I got her?? The air would go thru them they are very light and airy. He said she will be getting a pain and antibiotic shot too. I will be there all day as I would never ever, ever leave her. So they may let me sit at her cage, and comfort her. I got her this far, and I am not letting anything happen to her. I have to make sure I tell them if they mess with her back legs after year of laser therapy, I will be furious. So she had her Adequan shot and he was looking in her eyes etc. He did not charge me for an office visit as he is probably going to slam me with this operation! The IMS also said Tipper does very well under anesthesia. We got home I cooked, did chores, got thru the mail, fed the babies, and I am exhausted. Tomorrow Elvis goes to the traveling vet so I have the sitter lined up. Then we can rest for the remainder of the week. Blessings
Patti

So glad Tipper is doing well with storms now that is awesome! and I am so happy to hear the IMS thinks she will comes through with flying colors! Drs vets usually do not say such things unless they are certain. But I hear ya about still being concerned and worried I would be too because its not their babies. But keep telling yourself all the positive comments made abut Tipper being in good shape for surgery. I will be keeping Tipper and you in my prayers for a successful surgery and complete quick recovery for Tipper.

Hi Everyone:
Well it is rumbling and pouring here with really bad wind blowing sideways like the straight line winds. I decided not to dose Tipper. She was doing ok again until Toby barked. If I did not know better I would say he is doing it on purpose to get back at her! Thanks Vicki Tipper is my universe so I am still worried. I caught that sentence about injectable antibiotics being hard on the kidneys. I never knew that and he is going to give her a shot of them after the operation, what about that??? Any opinions please. Tipper listened to quite a bit of rumbling and then went in the closet I turned the fan on and shut the door as much as possible and the tv is up. I think she will do ok with this one it seems more rain than thunder at the moment. I do not want to use these meds unless I have to. This is like a monsoon I have never seen it like this. Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti,

I cant answer that but I did remember to ask you are you giving Vetoryl the day of the surgery? We skipped Zoe's dose that day per her surgeon and IMS when she had the vulva surgery. Because she did so well, we were able to resume it the next day.

hmm don't think I'd heard that about the injectable antibiotics. Interesting.

Glad she seems to be doing pretty good with the storms while at home now. I can see where she'd be rattled by one if in the car though.

I think Tipper will come through the surgery fine because they have a plan for her anthesia and that is good thing to have.

Hope your storms let up soon. We had a nasty one here yesterday, but not as bad right at my house. Up close to Judi though, about 15 minutes from her house they had a tornado that did a lot of damage. 100 homes condemned I've heard due to tornado damage. :(

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

hi patti, when is tipper due for her surgery? maybe i missed it in your thread.
i think the ab shot just lasts for 24 hours and you will have to give pills for 3 or 4 days.
at least this is how it is done in my country.
i never had a dog with lumps, but i read a lot about it on this forum.
do you know why tipper has so much of them?
glad, that tipper is doing fine so far in those awful storms.

Hi Everyone:
I was reading up on injectable antibiotics after Vicki mentioned they are hard on the kidneys I came upon all kinds of warnings for Cerenia. Many dogs died from it and it stayed in their system for ions. Many people putting warnings on Facebook etc. I think this was stroke of luck that I saw this. They want to give Tipper an antibiotic injection, and it is not happening. Just give me the pills, this scared the crap out of me. I am warning both these vets to never give it to Tipper. If you are going to be doing anything with your dog that involves injectable antibiotics, please read about this first if your Dr. Could possibly use it on your dog. Thundering like crazy, and sirens going off again. Tipper went out in pouring rain and thunder and peed!!!! This is blowing my mind. Yahoooo Tipper!!! Blessings
Patti

Patti, I think it must be the antibiotic "Convenia" that you are worried about and not "Cerenia." Cerenia is an anti-nausea medication. Are you certain it is Convenia that your vet is planning to use? It is a long-lasting antibiotic, but there are other injectables that are used temporarily as a bridge because they offer quicker protection/coverage than do oral agents. I think there are times when injectables can be important tools, and I am puzzled by a blanket warning against them all, as a class. Have you read somewhere that all injectables are especially dangerous? Do you know which specific one your vet is planning to use, and why?

Marianne

Good morning Patti.
Tipper is doing fantastic! A little panting is ok and the fact that she will sit for a while before going into the closet is amazing. I'm impressed!

The rain finally stopped here, at least for a while. We had a hot beautiful day here in Alabama. Too bad I had to work!

Much love and prayers,
Donna

Just a short post. Tipper does take cerenia for stomach upset and when typing that warning last nite I did in fact mean covenia but my brain typed cerenia as Mariannes said. Sorry if you were worried unnecessarily by my goofy brain thinking one thing and typing another. Blessings
Patti

Hi Everyone:
I am impressed too Donna. This is a world's first that Tipper can sit and listen to thunder without going berserk. I am so happy that some how she is starting to deal with this better as we are to have it for another week. I have never seen so much rain, or heard so much thunder here ever. When she went out in the pouring rain to go potty, I was really crying tears of happiness inside, as that is something that never, ever, ever would have happened before, she would have just held it. It was actually thundering while she was peeing too, I can't hardly believe it. God is watching out for her and knows she can't take any more, or maybe all the cush babies are watching out for her whatever the case I am so grateful. I have to take Elvis tonite to the traveling vet. He won't be allowed any food after 12 noon as they put him under to do his nails, beak, and wings and check him over thoroughly. I hope it is not pouring as it is 25 miles in the dark and I don't want rain too. Now onto the Covenia. I am having the techs write on all the charts that I so not under any circumstances want this for any of my animals. It sacred the day lights out of me and I am glad I read all the warnings before they gave my Tipper a shot, if by chance they use it. My vet never keeps up on anything so it would not surprise me. Tipper is my rock star after last nite I am so amazed at her, I can't quit thinking about it, it was so great! Everywhere around here it is flooded many towns 5-8000 houses with water filling up in them. One whole town all the houses have water inside. It is raining now and not showing signs of letting up. After today we have the rest of the week off, or at least the animals do. I am so swollen and painful from all this rain, I could hardly get out of bed this morning. Actually this keyboard gets my fingers and hands going as they are really stiff. I am making Tipper a bed that can be removed from the front seat of my car. I ordered foam rubber that came. I have a board I am covering with a vinyl table cloth. I am putting 4 inches of heavy duty foam on top of that, and then her pillows. I have a leg to attach to go down to the floor in the front to support it. She always sat in her car seat like in her avatar. She is so uncomfortable in it now that she is sick that she lays on the seat on top of pillows, but can no longer see out. That is why I am making this so she can lay down on long trips to the hospital and be comfortable, and she can see out instead of laying there listening to what is going on around her. It will be so I can just pick it up and remove it if anyone needs to use the seat. Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti,

wow that is a lot of water. You've just been getting it nonstop it seems. So glad that Tipper is doing good right now with all the rain.

Do you have some way to anchor that with the seatbelt or something? I was just thinking of Flynn going flying when that kid on the bike came out in front of Trish's car. That would be so scary, so definitely need a good way to make it secure.

No I won't be having any of that antibiotic for molly either. Not that anyone has ever suggested it but if so, now we know.

Good luck tonight with Elvis

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

Hi Everyone:
Just got back with Elvis and my Tipper was crying for me. Elvis gave us all a scare tonite. After he put Elvis under, and was working on him, the assistant went to hold Elvis so the Dr. could do his beak, and that's when the Dr. normally shuts the gas off. When he did Elvis did not breath, the Dr. grabbed him and knew just what to do and then he breathed. He let out a big yell, and we all laughed as we were all nervous seeing that. He was a bit groggy this time, but got out of it soon after. The Dr. keeps you there, then does a final check of them before you can leave. He talked on the way home, and I gave him a treat since he had been fasted since 12 noon. He loves graham crackers so I gave him a piece with peanut butter. He's all ok now resting in his cage. That's done for 6 months. Tipper and Toby are now passed out after they got their attention. Its been a long day, and I am turning in early tonite. Blessings
Patti

What a scare for you! Glad to hear that Elvis is doing fine now.

Hugs, Lori