Squirt - my Queen has crossed The Bridge

OMG! Daisy leaked for a bit after she was spayed and Proin was discussed. Thank God we didn't go there!!!!!

Prayers for you and Squirt, hopefully you caught this in time and please tell your vet to find and alternative.

Linda, based on what I have read so far, I would stop it...but that's just me. At 17, I might feel differently tho. ;) WONDERFUL by the way - 17 years old! Gives me hope!

The things I've read that scared me the most were those pups who seem to have lasting effects from Proin even after stopping it. Continuing seizures and strokes, heart issues, respiratory issues, muscle deterioration and neurological changes.

This is one of the reasons I didn't worry about it when it was prescribed for Squirt - I've known several folks whose pups were on it for some time with no apparent issues. I thought it was one of those good old drugs that has been proven "safe" so I didn't even bother to look it up. Bad, bad decision on my part. :(

Are Proin and Propalin the same chemical makeup?

Hi Leslie,
I think I will reduce it to once a day, from twice a day, for the time being then try stopping it altogether. I think Proin and Propalin are the same. It says it contains Phenylpropanolamine 40g and Excipient QSP 1ml.
Brin is doing great for nearly 17 but his neurological problems do worry me. Even the sun shining in his eyes affects him and he falls over. I am thinking of getting him some doggie sunglasses before the summer comes! Nothing fazes him though and he just gets up and carries on. As a vet once said about springer spaniels, 'no brain no pain'!
Don't blame yourself about having given Proin to Squirt. We have to put our faith in vets sometimes and until I started doing lots of research when Spicey got cushings I had never thought of questioning anything the vets did, then, as we all know, we get obsessed about everything!
Hope you find some alternative soon.
Linda

Leslie:
I must have missed some of the information. What exactly is the Proin for? Tipper and I are praying for you and Squirt. God Bless you both.
Patti

I had my old girl Cleo who died right before I joined the forum. She was on it for about 6 months. That really makes me wonder if that contributed to her death. She was having more seizures than usual when she passed. :(
very scary... Good to know I need to stay away from that stuff. Thanks for the info.
Hope Squirt is feeling better today.

Hi Yall,

Patti - Proin is a drug used for urinary incontinence. It tightens those muscles so they have better control and don't leak urine. While it does that job very well, it has some awful potential side effects and it appears Squirt is one that experienced many of them sadly. I just hope it will pass out of her system with no lingering complications. The more I read, the more convinced I am that Proin has caused most of her problems over the last several months. I am torn into - on one hand the thought that the drug has been the problem gives me a hope I haven't had since she had the seizure and on the other hand I am consumed with guilt that I caused this decline by giving the Proin and fear it's lasting effects. I feel like I poisoned an old lady. :(

I took her out several times during the evening and after we had gone to bed and she peed well each time. She had no accident last nite...but I expect them to start anytime since she hasn't had the Proin in 3 days today. I have two washable diapers, a package of disposable diapers and a package of doggy pads like Kotex. The pads are BAD expensive compared to human pads and that is what I will be buying from now on! Folks in Kroger yesterday probably thought I had lost my mind - I had one of the doggy pad out of the package and stood in the aisle for a while comparing it to the various kinds of human pads. :p

Her new meds came in this week and we have started using all but one of them yesterday. She has had two doses of the Get Up and Go (for her pain) and two...I don't know for sure how to describe this usage. It's not a dose but an exposure, an experience...:confused: It is a Flower Essence and I haven't used these before and know very little about them - tho I am learning. You can give them internally or externally and I have chosen to use it externally at first. What I can tell you is this - last night she rested better than she has in a while. Her breathing was much better. In fact, as I watched her I wondered if the panting hasn't become so normal for her she felt she had to pant. She would start, then take a deep breath, and start breathing more normally - even through her nose and not her mouth. She wasn't nearly as restless as she has been and was able to find her sweet spot and stay there, sleeping deeply. This morning she was up and wanted to eat - she even participated in the Barkfest! :cool: She is laying around but not asleep as she has been but laying in the floor watching me. She even growled at Soph when she walked by! Always the Queen. ;) Whether the improvement is the result of the Proin leaving her system, the GUG starting to work, or the magic of the Flower Essence, I don't know and don't care.

I did talk to the clinic about the blood work and Doc still has her sample in the freezer. He said it had separated even more and he was going to try to run the test again himself. I didn't hear from them yesterday and they are closed today so I hope to have an answer to this conundrum Mon. For today, I am grateful my Sweet Bebe seems better.

Hugs,
Leslie and the Queen of Dogdom :D

Hey Leslie,

so glad Squirt is starting to do better, sounds like she is getting her spunk back which is fantastic news. Fingers crossed that it continues and there are no signs of lingering side effects!

Leslie:
Don't put it on yourself about the Proin. You were trying to help her. I know I feel that way about Tipper's acid reflux, why did I not realize this could be her problem? There are just so many variables with this disease that you can't always be on top of everything that happens. I am always kicking myself in the butt over stuff I do with Tipper. Because so little is known, and told to us by the Vets about this disease we put it all on ourselves. It should not ahve to be that way, sadly it is. I hope Squirt returns to herself after this crap is all out of her system. That is the bad part of this, some things help them in some ways, and hurt them in others. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. It is a fine line all of us Cush moms walk in order to help these babies.God Bless You and Squirt Tipper and I pray for her.
Patti

Oh yay, glad to hear that Squirt had a good news and is acting more like her old self. :) Very good news indeed. Nothing like having a little Queen ruling the roost. hehehe :)
So Flower essence,that is interesting. I wonder if that would help Tipper too. How about storm terrors even if it has calming properties.

Hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Great news! I think we could all use a little flower essence!:)
Feels my heart with joy to hear that Squirt is barking and ruling her roost once more! :)

I can relate to your doggie pad search in the grocery store. When I changed Buddy's food because of so many allergies, I read and compared every dog food label in the entire Petsmart store. I pulled out each bag, each can, etc. and searched for the criteria I was looking for. I then made notations about it and moved on. I did this in the course of three or four days during the summer when I was off.
I was known as the crazy lady with the notepad who stayed for hours, I'm sure. :) I loved your doggy/human pad story. That would definitely be me!

I greatly appreciate all the help that you've been giving me. I am very relieved that Squirt is doing better.

Hugs,
Kathy and Buddy:)