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Oh I think we were typing at the same time.
I do remember a dog recently if that had a lump removed prior to starting treatment and was okay. I just can't remember if it was here on the forum or on the facebook page. It did work out okay for them though. I think it was near her back rear end area.
Oh and of course Zoe had a tumor removed from her privates area and she healed up okay. Addy can probably address that better as she was there. :)
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Sharlene:
Good thing you said that, my head must be in the sand as I have been saying she seems to be low on cortisol to me and I am watching her closely, so that makes sense to do it before cutting. I do not want any skin problems. I know she cannot have as much fluid, I have to pull out the instructions from the Cardiologist that wrote out if she had her teeth cleaned and see what it says. It is very specific. I will post it when I get to her file. I would not risk the ACTH during the tooth cleaning as you are right about the dumping of the cortisol and she does get really strange afterwards, so I will nix that thought, I was just trying to think of a way to save her pain and agony, but forget that. I have not given her the valium yet, and for right now have no plans on it from the weather report. It will have to be absolutely showing me a bad storm is coming for sure before I give it to her . I don't want her drugged up all the time, that is the pitfall of this method, you could give it for no reason, so I am waiting until I am 100% sure were are going to have problems. Blessings
Patti
I think pre antibiotics too would be helpful with a cushings dog.
Sharlene
no more storms till sunday?
that would be nice.....
at least you have the valium now, but remember it does not work properly as the dog is already on a higher stress level.
so you have to give it as the dog is still ok. and it will take some time to work too. if tipper is all worked up already it does not work.
otherwise you will have to give a much higher dose is my experience with valium.
valium leaves a dogs system way quicker than it does in humans.
dosage for a dog is 0.5-2mg/kilo. so 2 mg will not do a lot with tipper's anxiety level i am afraid of.
at least you don't have to be afraid with such a low dose. [dogs need much higher dosage than humans].
i used stesolid [rectiole] and oral pills for my dog.
my dog weighed 10 kg and got 10 mg. [sometimes even 20 mg]
epileptic dogs do get even more during/after seizures.
so don't wait till the last minute because then it won't work.
but of course i hope there will be no thunderstorms again.
p.s. is tipper still having diarhea or has it stopped yet?
o, and any word from the pain clinic yet? i hope so.
Hi sweetie,
Daisy is starting the tongue thing now and I wonder if it could be related to a gastrointestinal issue too with Tipper?
So many questions but it would be worth looking into. Daisy has been off the Trilo long enough to think that at least this is unrelated. She still hasn't had the congestion though so that I think is still possibly related to the Trilostane.
Hope this helps. Hugs.
Patti,
When Tipper is in the closet, try a radio with soft music, maybe classical if you can find it. That and leaving the lights on did help Tia. I did use Acepromazine, but she was a zombie when she took that and I hated seeing her in that state so, that was my last resort if things got really bad. The sound proof kennel sounds like an awesome idea. I've never heard of that, but I hope you can find one.
I'm praying for much better weather for you and Tipper. It breaks my heart that y'all are having to go through this with everything else that's going on.
Take care and I'm sending love and prayers.
Donna
oh Patti my heart is breaking for Tipper, poor baby!
I did some googling and I like these suggestions, hopefully one will help
Change environment: By changing the environment of the animal during the storm or noise, the anxiety level can be reduced. Changing the environment may reduce the volume level of the sound or help make the pet less aware of it.
Increase vigorous exercise: The pet should receive vigorous exercise daily, and more so on a day when the fear-producing noise is likely to occur. The exercise will help to tire the animal, both mentally and physically, and may make her less responsive to the noise. In addition, exercise has the effect of increasing natural serotonin levels, which can act as a sedative.
Reduce or block the noise level: "White noise," such as running a fan or air conditioner may aid in blocking out some of the fear-producing noise. Playing a TV or radio can have a similar effect. Allowing the pet access to the basement or a room without outside walls or windows may decrease the noise level. Closing the windows and curtains can also help reduce the noise. Some owners have placed foam earplugs or cotton balls in their pets' ears.
Sheltie in a crateCreate a safe haven: Some pets feel more comfortable in a small space such as a crate or a small room like a bathroom (run the fan and leave the lights on). Some pets seek out the safety of the bathtub or shower during a storm. (Some have hypothesized that a pet may feel less static electricity if on tile or porcelain.) If the pet is comfortable in a crate, the crate can be covered with a blanket to add to the feeling of security. The door to the crate should be left open and the pet should not be confined to the crate, which could dramatically increase the stress level. Some pets, especially cats, may find that a closet or area under the bed makes a good retreat.
Project a calm attitude: Pets are very aware of the mental state of their owners. If you are worried or nervous, this will add to the pet's fear. Your pet will look to you for direction, so keep an "upbeat" and "in charge" attitude.
Hi Everyone:
Thank you all for your help with Tipper. The storm missed us last nite and I was so happy for her we had a mini celebration with treats. She did however sleep in the closet again. She is not going to let some storm catch her by surprise! I do put a fan on for her and white noise. I still have not heard about the sound proof kennel?? Do they answer emails? Well I did not give Tipper the Chlorpheneramine antihistamine as valium reacts with it. So I did notice the tongue going in and out and her getting up swallowing and swallowing, so she did get her dose this morning. God I just would give anything to know the real true cause of this so I could stop it for her. It is very distressing sitting there watching her do this and it waking her up all nite long. Valerie are you saying Daisy is doing this now too? I am wondering what the connection is then? I went for the echocardiogram and sure as anything the first place she stuck that probe and pushed hard was where I have that problem area from the mammogram. She was just too nice of a girl so I restrained myself from slapping her! God did that cause me more pain! So she said the cardiologist would have it to my Dr. by Monday. So I guess she figures I'll make it thru the weekend. I am calling the pain clinic right now Iris as I can hardly tolerate this. I can hardly lift up my left arm. They better be ready to give me an appointment as I am in the don't mess with me mood since that pain session this morning tweaked my last nerve. Looks like it is going to be ok until Sunday then a storm, so I am taking the dogs to play with bubbles after I call the clinic. Blessings
patti
Hi Patti so sorry you got hurt again :( I was searching for tht soundproof kennel and I found it but in my search I found something you might try. They sell sound proof blankets and it was about 35.00 maybe if you put it over her crate on 3 sides and keep the front door of her crate un blanketed, to give her enough air, it would block out enough sound that it wouldn't scare her.
Hi Patti This is site I was talking about
http://www.audimutesoundproofing.com...of-kennel.aspx
and this is there guide
http://pages.audimutesoundproofing.c...-Download.html
I am trying to find the link to the 35.00 sound proof blanket
Oh my gosh, to be hurt again in the same area :( What did the pain clinic say? Where they able to give you and appt?
Hoping the storms miss you this weekend and you can having a relaxing few days at least. You're all due.
Interesting, sound proof crates and sound proof blankets. That blanket idea might work and be adaptable for different areas. It probably isn't going to let any air in either, but as long as one side is open should be okay. Hope you can get it and it works!
hugs
sharlene and molly muffin
Hi Everyone:
Tipper and Toby loved their little turns out on the porch today, it is cooler and they both like it that way. I called the Pain Clinic. They say they have no referral for me, so I told them I called my Dr. and it was sent. I feel so bad from this pain I will deal with it in the morning. I like these temps could do this all year. God now I keep thinking about how Tipper must feel with them pressing that probe into her!!!! This should be another good nite for her to sleep. Delora seems to be hanging in there after her transfusion, but very weak, and bleeding terribly. I try to cheer her up, that's about all I can do at this point. Thank God for no storms.
Blessings
Patti
I'm sorry if i got this wrong, but , do you think you have some heart problem?
When was the last time you got some real resting sleep?
Is this anxiety draining your body strength?
...please feel better!
Not for me or anyone else ,but for Tipper and yourself!
what a slow working machine this pain clinic is, i can not believe this!
no storms sounds good for you and tipper.
hope the cardiologist has good news for you.
we are getting a heat wave......i am not happy about it!
hope ian will survive this.
as you mentioned earlier cool is the best for our cush-doggies.
Patti,
I'm praying for some relief for you. I had a knee replacement in 2007 and a revision of the same knee in 2010. Rainy or cold weather does a number on me. I can hardly walk went it flairs up!
So glad the babies got to go out today. Wish they could go out together so it would be easier on you.
Sending love,
Donna
Hi Everyone:
Well it was cool last nite in the 40's. Tipper went in the closet and slept again. I think it makes her feel secure, and think she will continue to do this. I wish she wouldn't as I cannot see what is happening with her like tremors etc. and that makes me nervous. If I go to the closet I have to go in to see her because it is deep and she goes in the corner under my clothes. I would wake her if I did so I just stay out and try to sleep. I am so used to her beside me now that I cannot sleep. I have been putting a pillow there where she slept so I do not wake up knowing she is not there. The dogs have already walked once. Donna I wish they could be together but because Tipper went after little Toby I can't trust her with him and I have to protect him as even though she is sick, she is one powerhouse dog when she gets going. Like I always tell everyone, Tipper starts fights cause she knows she can finish them. So we live in a gated community for now, gates at nearly every door to prevent mishaps. The one rescue cat that I have that Tipper does not like has taken to standing on the other side of the gate from her and taunting Tipper. He would never do it again if she got at him! I am feeling the pain from yesterday so I am calling this morning to see where my referral is. Iris said that Tipper's dose of valium may be too low to help her, so I may have to change it after trying this dose. After all it does no good if it does not work. I will try the lower one first to make sure she is not allergic. I just wanted to say don't worry that I am making Tipper nervous by me being nervous. I never let her know what is going on inside me, as I know it would panic her and she would feed off of it. I just act like normal and go about my business. On here is the only place I let that stress out and talk about it. Unbelievably I can remain calm and function in the worst of emergencies, as I have had been challenged with many in the last 20 years. I am going to look into the blanket that Vicki suggested. The porch railing etc. is just covered with spider webs, really thick ones that are beautiful, but the dogs always manage to stick their heads in one and get it all over them, so I am going out there to clean up the webs. Blessings
patti
Patti I still cant find that blanket for 35.00 but if you google search the words w/o quotes
"acoustic blanket" it brings up a lot of products at reasonable prices.
here is a video on how to choose the best one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUnLsNjI25M
he recommends for best sound absorption, Producer's choice sound blankets
Hi Everyone:
Well it was bubbles for all today even the cats had some! Tipper started shaking today when my neighbor started his mower up. That never bothered her before. I think she is ahs just had it with noise period. I had to take her in my room where it was not too loud, she panted though. She has developed a full blown phobia with all these storms etc. It is beautiful out and on the cooler side so the temps definitely suit the dogs. Lucky just swatted me for the first time ever as I was typing this. I think he wants more attention, he is my needy rescue cat and has always been really attached to me. I think he is fed up with Tipper getting so much attention. I will have to paly with him longer tonite. No one can find my referral to the pain clinic and I am losing patience. The next phone call is not going to go well if I don't get some answers. Hope everyone ahs a good weekend with their babies. Blessings
Patti
Hi Patti,
I am catching up again on everyone's news. I can't seem to get on everyday lately. I am with you on this nice cool weather. I just love it and it's so much better for Trixie. I see she just can't take the heat for very long anymore. Today there was such a nice cool breeze blowing the whole time we walked. Tomorrow it's supposed to be warmer, up in the 80's. Hopefully when we go to the park at 8am it was still be on the cool side.
Sorry that poor Tipper is sensitive to the sound of the mower now...hate to hear she's panting and nervous from these noises. It's interesting that she feels safe in the closet...I guess the enclosed space where it's more quiet feels secure to her. I know what you mean about not being able to sleep when she's in there though. Trixie will go into the bathroom when it's storming. Lately she is a lot less nervous about the storms but she still jumps off the bed and goes to curl up on the bathroom rug...and when she's in there I can't sleep. I keep getting up and checking on her. We're used to her being in the bed and when she isn't it just feel right.
Looks like no storms around for the weekend at least...hope the same by you. Also hope you get that appt. at the pain clinic..terrible you have to wait!
Barbara
Oh I bet the crew loved playing with the bubbles. They sure do love those kinds of things.
Awww, poor Tipper, now even the mower bothers her. :( That is sad, it must feel so stressful to her all the time.
Lucky needs some lovin. :) Where do they sleep at night? The cats and Toby? I am guessing they can't be in the bedroom with you.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Patti,
Tia got like that too. Every little noise scared her and she would jump and run. It broke my heart.
Have you tried putting a night light in the closet so that when Tipper goes in there, you can peek in and see her but not wake her? Just a thought.
Keeping you all in my prayers.
Donna
Hi Everyone:
Well the dogs have already walked twice before we are to get hot temps. So at least they got their exercise in already. Tipper has ben wanting up at 5:30 am and it is a little too early for me. I am looking out my office window as I type this at a Bluejay he is so beautiful but so mean to the other birds chasing them away from the feeder. When I put Elvis by the window to see them, he is ok with all the birds except the Bluejay. I don't know if it is his size or attitude that threatens Elvis, but Elvis always turns away from him and won't look at him! Tipper got off the bed and slept in the closet again. This is going to be an all summer thing I am afraid. I do not like not being able to see and hear her, in the event of trouble, but I have to let her be comfortable and feel secure to sleep. I am taking the babies to see the llamas today while it is cool out. I hope everyone has a good weekend with the babies. I am doing a special prayer for Daisy at 12:00 noon so if anyone wants to join in we will be all thinking of her together. Blessings
patti
That sounds like a good day planned for Tipper and Toby. I'm sure they'll love getting out to see the lhamas.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Thank you Patti that is so sweet of you!
Still waiting on blood tests to hopefully rule out Hypoparathyroidism.
Elvis is a good judge of character, blue jays are as nasty as they are beautiful. It's sad that they behave the way that they do.
Cornell is busy as always on the weekends since they are only one of three 24/7 veterinary practices on the state of CT.
Hi Everyone:
The doggies got to see the llamas today. We couldn't stay long as it was really
heating up and where you have to park along the road the sun was facing us. It got too hot and both dogs started to pant. We passed the ice cream place we used to stop at for a frozen treat for Tipper and Toby, when Tipper was well. I am to afraid to give her some now. I put yogurt in her Kong and freeze it so that will have to do. She has not seemed as congested on the antibiotic, so possibly she did have a sinus infection?? My elderly neighbor, the one who watched Deloras cat is sick again. I took him some supper to eat and his daughter is coming to take him to the Dr. He has had this whatever it is three times now in the last few months. Tomorrow is storm day so Tipper will not be happy. The dogs are both napping. Tipper was up at 5am! I think we all need a little rest. Blessings
Patti
Hi Everyone:
Well Addy is going to be really disappointed. Sorry it was not California Chrome, what a shame. Tipper is having a lick a thon, which I hope stops soon. My neighbors daughter just called, he is being hospitalized for internal bleeding. My neighbors are dropping like flies, this is horrible. When and if he is released, she asked if I could get him. Hmmm this will require employing the dog sitter again as I cannot take Tipper and not Toby. Watch just my luck it will be the day I get an appointment at the pain clinic!! If that miracle ever happens! His grandson is at his house, and has nothing to eat, so I took him to McDonalds and he will wait
there for his mom. I hope this turns out OK he is a nice old man. Blessings
Patti
Patti, your neighbor's daughter needs to take a day off to get him home. I'm sorry but to inconvenience you so that you have to get a dog sitter is not right. They are taking advantage of your good nature dear.
I wouldn't want the responsibility of picking him up because what if he fell outside on the way to your car or something? His daughter must make the time.
Daisy loves bubbles too! :)
Patti,
Tia used to sleep in the bed with me too, but for some reason she got to where she wanted down when we'd put her there at night. I put her bed under our bed on my side and that's where she slept the last year. Broke my heart cause she always slept by my legs and I couldn't understand why she just all of a sudden stopped.
Hey, I'm with Valerie on this neighbor thing, the daughter should take of her of her own father. If he were to fall, how would you be able to get him up without hurting yourself? It's just not right to inconvenience you even if he is a sweet old man.
Anyway, glad the pups had fun seeing the llamas. Take care and I'm thinking about you all.
Sending love,
Donna
Hi Everyone:
Yes I have to admit Valerie, I did not want to be in the position to go and get her dad, but she is just starting a new job on Monday and , will not be able to take off work. I will see what I can work out with the dogs. I never leave Tipper so if all else fails both would have to go. maybe they will get him a mini bus home as he is a veteran and at the VA hospital and they have transportation sometimes. last nite his daughter called and said he is losing blood somewhere and may need exploratory surgery on his abdomen. So I think he will be there a few days if not more. Tipper got up last nite and went in the closet again. I have been unable to observe her sleeping a lot, but what I have seen looks like she is not making congested sounds so I am wondering what was going on that this antibiotic helped?? We are to get that storm today so I am watching the weather and sky to dose her before this starts. I hope she is not allergic or my vet will be getting an emergency call on his cell phone. If he doesn't answer that I found his home phone in an old phone directory, he does not list it now. I keep it for emergencies only, as one time when I took her to the hospital for an emergency he would not pick up on the cell phone, so I am wise to that trick. It is cool here, but is supposed to heat up this afternoon. I have some laundry and cleaning to take care of and so not feel like it. I am going to play ball with Tipper for a while as she seems to have good energy today. She really has few problems with the exception of these storms. She ahs been very calm the last few days, so I don't want to ruin it today with thunder. She is just getting to where she is not on high alert all day. I am anticipating a low pre number when she gets her ACTH test in July. I can tell she is down there with the cortisol. Her legs are still feeling good though thanks to the laser therapy as she has been trying to do her Jack Russell jumps, but I get to her and stop her. If they were bothering her from the low cortisol she would not be doing that, but her laser therapy has really saved her. Where her back is bowed down she no longer tenses up when I massage her there so I know it has helped her there too. Sounds like a nutty question, but I am wondering if it would ever revitalize her cells in her trachea?? I am going to ask as I am not embarrassed of sounding crazy when it may help my dog?? Donna I am going to try the nite lite as you suggested.
Blessings
patti
Patti, a simple discharge could turn into a much more complicated matter if anything should happen to him and you will be left to deal with them at least initially and you already have way too much going on around you. A meal here and there or popping in to check in on him when you can are a different story all together. I wouldn't feel comfortable with doing it and that's not to say I'm an uncaring person. It's just plain wrong. To me it's his daughter's responsibility and not one of his nice neighbor's.
I just read your latest post and I still think his daughter somehow find a way to bring him home.
Patti,
Nothing you could ask, when it comes to your babies, would make you sound crazy! That's our job, to take care of them. And it's the doctor's job to listen to us about our babies so they can take care of them too.
Please do try the night lights for Tipper. I'm one that has to have complete darkness when I sleep. I've painted the phone, tv lights and the DirecTV box lights, all black. Covered the smoke alarm with black tape, cover the coffee pot with a towel at night, anything with lights! My husband said I'm crazy!! But, because Tia got so worked up with storms and lighting, my house was lit up like an airport runway. It was a transition, but I did anything for her comfort.
Take care,
Donna
Hi Everyone:
Please keep your fingers crossed for Tipper. I timed the pill exactly right. One half an hour it takes effect. I gave it to her a half an hour ago and the thunder just started. She laid on the bed for a while, got up and went to her closet. I put the fan on and shut the door as much as I can. I am hoping if she were going to have a reaction, it would have been by now, as I don't like her where I cannot observe her. The weather said heavy thunder,heavy rain and wind. Then later on the same thing. I may need to give her another pill if it starts up again in six hours, since the mg is so low would that be ok? Pouring heavy rain now and wind as I type this. She sometimes comes running in and out of the closet panting and nervous, she seems to be laying down from what I can tell. Hope to God this works!! Blessings
Patti
SUPER GREAT UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!
I gave Tipper the Valium at 10:30 and at 11:00 the storm hit. She laid on the bed and heard several rumbles without any reaction. As it got louder she just got up and walked didn't even run to the closet. She went in the closet and stayed a while, no panting or anything!!!!! Then she came out and was just acting normal and I just talked to her normally. Then the second round came and it was loud with some cracks. She stayed in the closet and never came out running around in and out like she does. It was time for her to eat so I put her food in the closet. I looked in and she had eaten it and was resting in the corner, and she looked up at me very calmly and laid her head back down. I have the fan on and it is supposed to do this all nite, so I wonder if later she can have another one or not?? I forgot to ask the vet how often she can have them cause I was so excited to get them. She even came into the living room for a while. I am so happy for not having to suffer thru this that I can't believe it. I knew this low mg would probably help her at first because she is very sensitive to medications. All I can say is THANK YOU GOD for answering my prayers. I am beyond ecstatic. Blessings
Patti
That's really wonderful Patti. I'm so glad that it helped her. I think you'll have to and I know this is a bit of trial and error, but you need to know how long, how many milligrams last with Tipper. You want to only have to give her the lowest dosage that she needs. Since every dog is different, the medication can affect them differently. Just like with vetroyl, some take less, some take more.
Still, that being said, it might be that you have a solution finally. I hope the storms aren't too bad or too often.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Thank you Sharlene. It is raining and Tipper went potty and had a treat. She may not sleep well tonite because of resting for several hours, but that is ok. I am just thankful she was not a nervous wreck. I think the 2mg is good for her for now. I don't want her zonked out for hours, and this seemed to be just right for now. I hate to resort to this, but she can't go thru this anymore. It is dark and still raining. Blessings
Patti
Oh, Patti - I am so happy for you both that this worked so well! This is such great news, it made my day.
Patti, I am so grateful, too, that this seems to be helping Tipper. I know you may have to fine tune things, but this sounds like such a good start -- at last!
Marianne
Awesome news Patti! I am as thrilled as you are.
I just checked Tia's Valium bottle (no, I can't seem to throw her meds away just yet) and it said "every 12 hours".
Good night.
Donna
Hi Everyone:
Glad yesterday is over as today is to be nice weather but getting humid and hot. Thanks you Donna for thinking of my girl and getting me that information. How many mg did Tia take and did it help her finally? I'll tell you what one time a few years ago the Dr.'s though I had cancer, I was so relieved when they came and told me I didn't. That pales in comparison to the relief I got yesterday from Tipper finally being able to deal with this a storm. You really don't know how bad it is until you experience it, and it had gone on too long as far as I am concerned. As I thought though Tipper was up last nite and making the sound like she was swallowing water. She did not have the Clorpheneramine as it cannot be given with valium. So that could be the reason. I am not hearing the real congested sounds after the antibiotic now either so was that indeed an infection not picked up?? If so I am going to ask for more of the AB in the event it would ever get bad again I have some here. The lumps Tipper had to have removed have really grown in size over the last few months. I am wondering if the Trilostane could have any affect on that, and would like some feedback please. I hope her numbers are not too low so she can get this all taken care of in the summer. We are to have bad storms Tuesday thru Thursday so I am going to need to be vigilant and watch the weather. I still must watch Tipper each and every time I would give valium as maybe 10 years ago she was taking amoxicillin for something and restarted a week later as she was not better. The second time I started it she had an allergic reaction, but not the first week!! So at any given time she can react to something. I hope we never have to go higher than the 2mg. but that seems unrealistic. She did not sleep well last nite and was up and about because she slept some when I dosed her I knew that was going to happen, so I am very exhausted from little sleep. I will just go to bed early tonite. Tipper did drink a little more water than normal last nite, so is that due to the valium?? I hope not the Cushings. My neighbors daughter just called me and asked that I check her dads Dr.'s today as she is sick as a dog in bed for her first day of work!! She gave the Dr.s permission to talk to me. I can do that much just call and give her updates on her voice mail. He is bleeding from somewhere and they cannot find where so they are going into the colon this morning. I absolutely hate that diagnostic tool!! Have had it many times it is necessary, but yucky to do. Toby is now the king of bubbles. Because I restrict Tipper from jumping she cannot get the bubbles drifting up high, but Toby has stepped up and jumps and can get most of them before they get away, he is really quick. I am going to get some chores done and call the pain clinic. Blessings
patti