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On Monica Segal's web site she recommends 30 mg per 20 pounds of your dog's bodyweight, she only sells this in capsules. I did find CoQ10 in a liquid suspension and a spray pump: Pump http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquinol-Pets.../dp/B008AGIIHIQuote:
Originally Posted by molly muffin
Liquid: http://www.amazon.com/Stay-Well-Liqu.../dp/B019H0FJZ4
It could be her teeth. Lena stopped eating her greenies shortly after we put her on the Vetoryl. She used to enjoy them so much. She had just had dental work done before Thanksgiving, so I never thought of her teeth, but on the report from the Emergency Clinic the first night, it did mention heavy dental tartar. I only read that tonight and thought it was strange considering the work done just 3 months ago, plus I had asked them to look at her teeth a few weeks ago and they said her teeth looked fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by molly muffin
Joan one of he things that Molly always and will beg till she get is the dental bones. That and her hip joint tabs. Weird huh it's what makes me think maybe not her teeth but will have them look at her mouth next trip to IMS
Thanks Lori. The 30 mg per 20 lbs is exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks for finding the spray. I also found a treat form on Amazon.
I was just readin another thread where her dogs creatinine came down. Brownie I think it is. So it's all worth a shot.
I will also,start her on a transition to a different kibble starting next week. We will take it slow but what she gets now has been discontinued so we are going to,a,different brand of kidney food. Both dry and wet. Not great timing but not a choice either.
Order both the liquid and the treat form of coq10.
Might be teeth. I added water into food this morning. Not a lot as I wanted to see what she would do and she ate all of it. Eventually. She went back a few times. So definitely having teeth looked at by IMS group. They have told me repeatedly that anesthesia and Molly are not a good combinTion so will have to see what our options are if that is the problem.
No, I wouldn't put her under either. I was freaked out enough when Lena had the dental work done before all of this started.Quote:
Originally Posted by molly muffin
Will she let you check her teeth???? Toothbrushes, of any kind are not tolerated by Rosie. She reluctantly will let me do her teeth with a little toothpaste and small dampened square of gauze wrapped around my finger. A finger brush doesn't work either, but she tolerates the gauze. She does growl a little.;) :D Anyway, I am able to inspect her teeth and feel for any tender areas. She will jerk back if I find a tender spot. Usually after a few more cleanings, it heals right up.
Molly is much older. Teeth can be a real bugger, especially in small dogs.
Keep us posted sweetie,
Hugs,
Kathy
I used a cotton swab and checked her teeth last night. She didn't cringe at any area, although she did have a sneezing fit at one point.
It took me 2 hours to get her to eat dinner last night. But she did eventually.
This morning she turned down salmon cream cheese (trilostane wrapped in it) and I had to really work to get her to take it. She has never turned down salmon cream cheese for any reason.
I gave her breakfast but then had to go to work. I just got home this evening and breakfast is still there, she hasn't touched it all day.
I have to get some food in her tonight, but I'm sure the trilostane this morning wasn't properly absorbed since she didn't eat any of her breakfast.
damn damn damn sigh I'll keep trying though. Even if I need to run to the store and trying buying a bucket load of different food to cook for her. I'm thinking maybe I'll try some chicken and rice and see if she'll take that, maybe her tummy is upset or something.
Sharlene -- what about trying kitten food? You may recall that, when Abbie was refusing even the cheese wrapped pills, our vet's office manager suggested putting a bit of kitten food on the tip of the cheese ball. I use Purina Pro Plan Focus Kitten Chicken & Liver Entree. Abbie hasn't refused it yet!
Thanks Judi, I had forgotten about that. I'll look for it at the store.
Sharlene, I am so sorry Molly's appetite is not good.
A few ideas to stimulate appetite: baby food, liver pate, hotdogs, sardines. Or try making some bone broth.
Nothing more discouraging than a pup that doesn't want to eat. Food is such a barometer for judging how they're feeling.
I think they start to figure out that the pills are in there and get very suspicious of anything you try to feed them, Sharlene. The last few meals Lena had, she managed to spit them all out, whereas before she never noticed.
My friend uses ice cream to give her dogs pills. She says it's so cold that they just swallow without thinking. Have you tried that?
I just got her to take her amoldipine and benazepril with some hard sliced salami cut into tiny pieces. Then I put a couple bits I her bowl on some dry food and she ate the salami. So today she likes salami amd I'll cut up some chicken for her later too.
I made notes of all suggestions to pick up at store. Doesn't hurt to have a variety in hand as who knows what tomorrow will bring. She is drinking a lot I noticed this evening.
Sharlene -- extra drinking may be a result of eating salami. It is pretty salty.
Sharlene, I've mentioned this on several different threads but have you tried plain (vanilla ) cheese cake? I tried almost everything under the sun with Ginger's long standing inappetence as you probably knew. The one thing consistently worked for us throughout our battle with her inappetence was plain cheese cakes. It doesn't melt so quickly like ice cream and still sweet enough for them as I found out that she still went for sweets when she had absolutely no appetite. I used to stockpile our freezer door with those individually cased mini cheese cakes like 15-20 of them on any given day. Oh boy, don't I miss those days.
You just have to make sure to use a decoy first to let her taste the cake to let her guard down. Coat pills individually rather generously unless they are tiny so she swallows it before she detects the pills. Ginger took all her pills this way till the very end. :(
Hope something works for Molly and you. Hugs, Song.
With the decoy, she won't voluntarily take it since she doesn't want anything. You have to rub it right on her tongue with your fingertip then she won't resist the second one so much once she knows it tastes sweet. At least it worked with Ginger for the longest time.
Dang, Sharlene!! I don't have any brilliant suggestions to offer, but I'm right here reading along with every post. I've got my fingers crossed that Molly will start eating for you again ASAP. Been there, done that with dogs who don't want to eat, and it really is one of the toughest things to soldier through. I really hope you can hit on something she'll really like again!
Keesh the pill detective had me going crazy trying everything to get his meds into him.... finally, I had to bite the bullet and go out and get some hard cheese, of course it had to be the white cheddar cheese block. I then cut 4 square pieces and hid the pill in only one. The trick was to wash my hands immediately after putting the pill in cause he could smell it on the outside of the cheese if I picked it up--- LOL- then I put all 4 pieces down on the floor at once. It confused him- and finally by the time he picked up the piece with the pill... too late.... he ate it. I know Molly is much smaller and I don't know the size of what you are trying to give her, but after just about every trick in the book, this worked.
I also swear by bone marrow broth. When he wouldn't eat, he would drink the broth. Don't know if you've ever made it before, the smell isn't pleasant, but it is sooo good for them. I got the bones from the butcher... not the grocery store. It was worth the little bit of extra money.
ian was very hard to pill too, and he really needed his vetoryl. the only thing that worked- after lots of trial and error -was indeed a tiny can of tuna kitty food. very expensive, but the strong fishy smell did it i guess.
enya can be fooled with peanut butter.
flynn ate everything, even plain pills.......................
Be never seen th cheesecakes here plain, but I will look. She wants something as she is begging currently but turning her nose up to everything I try to give her.
Yea the salami is salty so maybe that was the cause. She also drank alot before the salami. Maybe she hadn't gone to the kitchen today. Though that would be weird.
Also picked up some liver treats. She normally likes that. At least it is protein if nothing else. It's dried liver. Makes her fart something horrible but right now I'd take stinky dog farts over not eating.
And she wanted her dental bone. So is now happy knawing away.
Could she really just be that finicky?
I have baby food. No onion or anything just chicken chicken broth and rice starch in it. Hot dog, dog lasagna, dog bacon and eggs, sardines. A whole cupboard of stuff.
Moving on to tripe if I have to. Gag!!
Try liver pate. The canned stuff. Smells disgusting, but the stinkier the better.
And, Tobey has gotten quite finicky about food in her old age too. She turns down a lot of things she would previously go nuts over. Don't get me wrong, she still likes food for the most part, but she's much more selective about it.
Molly had some cut up chicken breast and a dab of mash potatoes. Seems That she really liked and ate it all. I didn't give her enough to make her tummy upset just enough to give her a bit of something in her stomach.
Maybe she has just gotten fincky in her old age and this has nothing to do with kidney values and health. Nice if they could talk.
Mashed potatoes are good and filling...good for Molly!
Well I'm pleased to hear she ate something yesterday. How's she doing today?
It's good that she let you examine her mouth / teeth - sounds like there isn't a problem there, but maybe worth getting the IMS to check too.
If she likes the dental bones would giving her more than one be an option? Maybe to stimulate her appetite?
Well yesterday was a real winner for molly. I tried topping her dry food with little ceasar (not my first choice by far) and she just picked around the dry food but ate the canned both morning and night no problem and then was full of energy last night. Even playing, barking to play in fact. Got fiesty with hubby when he tried to take away a plant leave for her and she tried to bite his toe. That isn't a molly we have seen for awhile that's for sure.
Today she ate breakfast fine, but we're having horrible weather here, freezing rain, snow, pouring rain, all day and switching back and forth within hours of each other so she wasn't keen on walkies, can't find her favorite potty spots and only wants certain treats. But at least she does want some so that is a plus. I'm hoping the weather gives us enough of a break that we can get out later tonight for a bit.
Shes not playful tonight but I'm happy she at least ate the canned food for dinner, so that is good.
Glad she's feeling a little better and that she is eating more. When Harley got picky with this food I tried everything and anything to get him to eat, I even bought him McDonald's cheeseburgers!
I'm so happy she's feeling a little better, Sharlene!
Sharlene--if little caesar's does it for now, so be it! I can definitely relate to how good her eating and playing must have made you feel.
Popping in to see how Molly is doing and to let you know we are thinking of you, we being me and Koko.
Hoping you and Molly are doing good. Love Sonja , Apollo and little Ariel
Hi all. Just ant t give a quick update so no one worries. Mollys appetite has improve although she hates and refuses her new kidney food both canned and dry. Argh!!! But at least she is eating a bit moe willingly find give her things like littl Caesars. Totally not what we would prefer to feed her.
We get a new ACTH txt this week. I fully expect to increase her dosage as I am determined t get her cortisol down far enough that is she loses control on a dose it won't set us back and will hopefully be better for her kidneys.
I am a bit sporadic on he forum just for the a bit but no worries it's all good. We are expecting a new grand baby any day, hour.
Happy to hear you are both doing ok. Good that Molly is eating a little better. A new baby, Sharlene that is wonderful. Brianna
So glad that you and our diva are hanging in there. A new baby! So exciting! :p it's not till they get to be around 12 or 13, that you want to give them back. Oops!, did I actually post that! LOL;)
Regarding the pool boy on Addy's thread.... We have NEVER Had a pool boy who has mixed blender drinks., although I do get a grunt now and then. We definitely have the wrong pool boy! I'm going to have to re-think my list of requirements. LOL
Took molly for a follow up ACTH today, after we increased trilostane to 24mg.
We should have results tomorrow sometime and will see how she is doing.
Her hair has gotten so thin in the last month. Is very sad.
A good note is that her regular IMS is back 2 days a week at least from maternity leave. So next time she will see her regular one. The one who filled in has been great, but molly does have that bond thing with her regular IMS that I like and she is very familiar with me and molly. So yay.
I hope the results are good, Sharlene.
Joan
I second Joan's sentiments. Thinking positive thoughts!
Shana
Well beat me up with a feather duster.
I didn't get to talk to the IMS, but her assistant called (the IMS will call tomorrow)
Molly's post is perfect. 125nmol or 4.5ug
We're leaving the dosage the same. How weird is that! I wasn't expecting it to be so good and was all ready for the "I want to get aggressive and get her down to under 5ug. Hoping it will help her kidneys, which seems to be our biggest battle now.
Beats me why her hair is getting thinner and so much worse, maybe kidneys cause that too. sigh
Well, lets see what the next step will be when I talk to the IMS, in the meantime they are calling in refill.
Oh Sharlene, that is a great post number!! Congrats and Good Job!!!!!
Whoo Hoooooo!!! Our Diva comes through! :)
Dunno why her coat is looking so thin, though, either. Probably just to keep you on your toes, Mom...:o
SO-o-o-o happy to hear about Molly's perfect post number!! :D I haven't seen any coat issues with Abbie and you know her kidney issues are still not controlled but will do some reading on that.
Great news, Sharlene~