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Sorry for the pain Patti, I hope it feels better quickly. I had something similar happen to me when I had a carotid artery test or some type of cardio test (not an echo), when they did my upper stomach area they pressed so hard into my ribs, my ribs were killing me for many months, it was painful to even breathe.
Hi Everyone;
Vicki thanks for thinking of me. If I failed to wish you A Happy Mother's Day I am now everyone!! Tipper did not sleep well. It was the clearing of the throat and sticking her tongue out every 15 minutes it seemed like. When she got up this morning she had a big blob of mucous in her one eye. These drops were supposed to stop that, but maybe need time to work. It seems the Benadryl is not really helping now either. She is better in the day when she is not laying down a with most people that suffer from this. It was cool here this morning with light frost on the ground. It is to be cooler next week in the upper 50's and 60's. That will be ideal for Tipper. I talked to Delora last nite. She was very mixed up and for some reason not hearing things, worse than usual as she is hard of hearing to begin with. She sounded really bad, not like herself, and weak. A lady called me out of the blue yesterday from over an hour away and asked about Delora's cat. I made arrangements to take her to the ladies house next Wednesday. Her cat passed away and she is a senior so that is what this cat is used to. I went thru all the question with her. She is a lovely person. So I called my neighbor and he was happy I found the cat a home. I was a little annoyed at how happy he was. I can't get over his not taking to her after all this time, and it just kind of bugs me. If you were not an animal person I guess it would not bother you. So she will be gone too, and I am sad for her as I am used to seeing her on a daily basis. I have to run over and clean her litter box all the time as he will not do it!!!. It looks like a nice day as we have already walked and Tipper liked the cool air. My cats are enjoying being allowed in my office once again! Blessings
Patti
Hi Patti, I was just checking in to how you and Tipper were doing. I hate hearing you aren't feeling well. I know that feeling! I broke a rib myself and could get any pain relief and......finally I had to go to a pain clinic as well. It did rain all day here yesterday, but for some reason the storms never bothered Eli...but the little tinkle of a piece of kibble on his food dish will send him right out of the room! I too hated so much to hear about Squirt. It's always so sad.
Hi Everyone:
Hope you all had a nice Mother's Day. Tipper gave me my special present today she came out on the front porch for 15minutes. I was so happy for her, she was smelling all the porch furniture, and making sure no critters were under the furniture covers! I hope she sleeps better tonite although I saw where we are to get thunderstorms in the middle of the nite. Just great as I can't give her these herbs before she goes to bed as they do not last long. I hope it goes around us somehow. I cannot believe tomorrow I have to get up at 4AM to go to Pittsburgh. I hate the thoughts of another 5 hours in the car. I am going to my best friends grave after the Dr. if I can locate it, then home. Today was beautiful and not humid with a good breeze. Blessings
Patti
test,test, the forum does not want me to post...........maybe now?
Good luck tomorrow Patti. Drive safe.
We're suppose to get thunderstorms here too tomorrow.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Hi Everyone:
It is black here and supposed to get thunderstorms any time. I think I jumped the gun and gave the meds to early. That is the problem with this method, you can't always get it right. Tipper was restless last nite and up and down as it rained a bit and some real low thunder in a distance. She has already walked once, so we got that over with before it starts. I called Delora for Mothers Day. Surprise that rotten son of hers did show up! I am having a case of the nerves about giving Delora's cat away. It just makes me feel bad inside. I would never tell her it is gone, as I do not want to add to her misery. I just hope since this is a senior citizen that nothing happens to her where the cat has to go somewhere else, as cats do not like change. She will be gone Wednesday. I tried to talk the neighbor into keeping her, but he wants no part of it. I cannot deal will shallow mindedness. I will miss her too as I have grown used to seeing her. I am not and I repeat not rescuing any more cats as no one wants them and it is hard on me. We will be in bed early tonite as I go to the Dr. at 4am. Have the sitter for Tipper so I hope no thunder. Tipper had a terrible tremor going all over her whole body yesterday during the day when she took a nap, I could not get to the camera in time to tape it and it was one that shook and rocked her. If this were something from a secreting tumor she would not be able to stop it I assume when I called her name?? If so it has to be the Vetoryl that has some permanent effects on the body. Blessings
Patti
Hi Patti! I hope you had a safe trip tomorrow. I have to drive to Nashville for my doctors and amounts to 4 hours round trip. I'm always pooped by the time I get back with all the hwy traffic. I hope the doctor was able to help you with the problem you were having.
Eli has a tremor (or quivering) too. It comes and goes. I'm not saying it's the same as Tipper's though...But, I believe his is from the Cushing's. He never had it before until recently (but, before Vetoryl). He always seemed to jerk around when he was sleeping since I've had him. His paws were always jerking around. When he slept with me, I'd put my leg against him to hold him steady...that seemed to work. But, this tremor or quivering was something new and started with his left leg...and now is all over, but it's off and on.
I hope it works out anyway and you have a good trip. I also hope Tipper does well with the sitter. :)
i hope you will have a safe trip tomorrow to your doctor and back.
our thunderstorms are over, so i hope yours will too.
i've had a dog with seizures and you can't stop them by calling their name or touching them.
waiting till dolores dies, to replace the cat, and the neighbor not wanting her, is no option, so you did right to let that lady come and get her.
so she has a chance to a good home.
maybe you can ask her if she has some back-up just in case?
is it an older cat too? hope she is a really nice woman and will like the cat.
Hope the thunderstorms missed you. We haven't had more than a sprinkle here so far, so no thunder.
That is just sad about Delora. :(
have a safe trip tomorrow
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Hi Everyone:
I am home!!! Thanks for watching over me. Last nite was the worst nite ever since we lived here.. The thunder was relentless. Huge booms that shook the house and get booming and shaking the house for what seemed like hours. I had given Tipper some storm meds before bed. The first low rumbles she slept through, and then they increased in intensity and got louder. Toby barked at one loud one, woke up Tipper unfortunately, and she ran to the closet. It did this all nite long until I got up at 345am! I did not want to go to the closet because Tipper would!d get anxious, so I got ready in the bathroom, left the lights out in my room and left her in the closet. The sitter came last nite and was in the spade bedroom. I just quietly left, but was afraid that something happened to Tipper, so as soon as I knew they were up , I called home to check her. I hope this did no damage to her eyes! We are supposed to get it again today. I saw my Dr. And he is referring me to a pain management Dr.near me. The bad part is my mammogram is due again, and there is no way I can do it I would be screaming. When my Drmy Dr. Listened to my chest, just him touching me there made me want to scream. I also have to go for an echo cardiogram. I am a so tired from all this traveling. I took my boots and camera and went to the cemetery where my best friend is. Would you believe I drove there and the huge gates were locked, so I could not get in to see where she was, I was very upset about this all he way
home, as I needed to see where she was laid to rest. This cemetery is usually open so I don't know why it was locked, most don't even have gates. I hope my Tipper never has to suffer through a note like last nite ever again. I am praying it does not start today as she will have a nervous breakdown. Blessings
Patti
Oh geez here we go again, the weather said these storms will be here until Thursday. We are to get one after 800pm . I have some meds ready for Tipper God I hope she does nt have another nite like last nite. My neighbor told me that is the worst thunder he ever heard here. I have made the final arrangements for Deloras cat with the lady getting her, so she will be gone tomorrow. I have been crying about it, as Delora said to me last nite, I miss my cat and I know she is happy if she is with you. I feel like I am betraying her trust, but I feel it is necessary because I do not want her to be hurt by anything else, as her son has done enough. I have a hard time sending an animal to another home, and this is very sad for me. I took some nice pictures of her and blew one up on the computer for Delora to put on her wall.God help us. Blessings
Patti
Oh geezz, seems the storms will never stop doesn't it. That is scary the ones you had last night. That kind of thunder gives one the heebeejeebees. I have a friend out in the dessert in California, who told me they are having the worst wind/dust storms she's ever seen in her 20 years of living out there.
Hopefully Tipper and you will be okay and not stress too much with the herbs. You have to be careful not to project your fears for her, as she will know you are worried and scared. I know you know that but calm is important for both of you.
That is a good idea about the picture for Delora. I'm sure she misses her cat very much.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
that weather sounds terrible......but unfortunately you can not do anything about it.
can't your vet make an exception for this terrible days and give her some real seditives?
normally one would not be happy about it, but you really wish she would be hard of hearing or even deaf in her old age.................maybe that would help her.
and like sharlene said, stay calm or at least act to stay calm, dogs will copy that behavior.
i don't think it will do delora any good to know that her cat is replaced.
i know you have found her a good home, and fooling delora is the best thing you can do.
i once inherited a cat from a client whom i worked with for 10 years.
she was everything to him, but she was too afraid of my dogs, so i had to replace her too [to a very good home]. i never told him and he died thinking she was with me for the rest of her life.
it gave him the peace he needed, and so it will comfort delora.
so you and i did not have an other choice.
I agree, Delora's cat is in a good home and that is most important. Why worry her to tell her that she isn't with you? That would do no good.
I'm so sorry about the storms and how they scare Tipper. That would upset me too. I wonder if she senses your stress as well and that heightens her fear?
Please take care of yourself too Patti. We can't control everything. If we could, Cushings wouldn't exist. Hugs.
Hi Patti,
I just saw this article by Dr. Karen Becker on facebook and thought you might find something you haven't tried for Tipper's anxiety during thunderstorms.
http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites...paign=20140513
Hi Everyone:
Well that last two days Tipper has been panting and I am attributing it to the storms making her cortisol shoot up. She seems fine right now event though it is hot and humid. They are to be gone tomorrow so thank the Lord for that. She has walked this morning and did fine. We were to have thunder last nite so I gave her meds before bed time. She was sleeping nicely on the bed when Toby decided to bark at something. She got up and never looked to see what it was and ran straight to the closet. I was so mad at him she was doing really well. I am having to make an appointment with a pain management place today as it may take me a while to get in with a specialist. Delora's cat leaves today at 3pm. I tried to no avail to get my neighbor to keep her, as it makes me cry thinking of doing this to her, but he would not do it. I am hoping the lady gives her a wonderful home as she will be scared for a while with no familiar faces. I still miss Grace, she was wonderful. I need to catch up on things here today, and Tipper's chicken order is in so I need to go and pick it up. I hate even the thought of getting back in the car. I am going to tell the pain Dr. about my knee and see if he can help with that too. Blessings
Patti
Hi Everyone:
Can you believe another storm and thunder!!! I medicated Tipper she ran in the closet. We just cannot keep this up. I am really getting concerned for her and her eyes. Toby could care less what it is doing! I am going to see if she will come out for food.
We're having thunder here now and molly is having the shakes and restless.
Sometimes she is under my feet and chair, other times she is pacing around. We haven't had That much thunder but just a couple is enough to set her off. First time really this year that we've had the thunder. I am currently, ignoring her, other than to talk to her in a patient voice, continue on my normal routine. She can go behind the couch if she wants, the tv is on loudly in the living room so I might go in there in a bit. I think she will settle if I don't react to the thunder or to her shaking. (I read the article that Glynda posted) and I'm definitely not saying, it's okay, it's okay as that reenforces the fear. (according to the article). So, I'm giving it all a whirl and will let you know how things go. If she just does this for a bit and then settles down, I'm going to call it a win.
Hope that you and Tipper get through the storms okay.
hugs,
sharlene and molly muffin
Hi Everyone:
I got her out of the closet with treats. She is shaking like she's going to have a breakdown. I think the meds are helping her to cope some what. I just keep talking and walking around and acting like nothing is wrong. If it goes away soon she will be ok. I am worried about damage from this however. She is panting again really a lot. I am ignoring her and talking to Toby. As long as Toby does not bark and start her up we are ok. She is laying on the bed listening to the rumbles of thunder, which is a huge improvement, she has never done this. I hope it just calms down and she falls asleep. Blessings
Patti
i am so glad that my dogs are like toby and don't mind thunderstorms.
they sometimes bark a few times when the thunder is really hard and there is a lot of lightning, but since i am fascinated by it [mad, i know] and i am the pack leader, they copy my behavior.
same as fireworks etc. they even want to catch it.............
i did wrong by comforting my first dog and she got very scared of anything.
i bought a very stable shepherd who was not scared of anything and she began to copy his behavior.
i've learned a lot from this.
did you like the woman that collected delora's cat? i hope so. that would be one thing less to worry about.
hope toby will keep his mouth shut tonight, so you and tipper will have a quiet night.
It worked for Molly. I talked to her exactly as I do normally. Kind of silly. Aww who loves Molly and rubbed her ears in a playful manner. Nothing to acknowledge her fear. She stopped shaking and she rolled over on her back belly up and went to sleep.
Cross fingers. It probably wouldn't work if too bad but I will try.
Hugs sharlene and Molly muffin
I'm sorry to read about Tipper's storm fear. Pansy was very sound-reactive (I once tried clicker training and 'charging' the clicker only taught her to be afraid of taking treats from me) and 4th of July was the worst time of year for us. Here's what I tried over the years, in case there's anything on here you haven't yet:
-soothing her
-ignoring her fear/behaving as if nothing unusual was happening
-crating her in a dark room with a blanket over the crate
-crating her in a bright room
-putting a loud stereo on to drown out the noise (this probably had the best results of anything I tried, but may not be practical for long overnight storms)
-thundershirt
-rescue remedy
-benadryl
I wanted so badly to help her but nothing really cut her panic significantly - she would just pace, pant, and shake like a leaf regardless of my behavior. I also tried having people over to shift the focus from her, no difference. Once I had to lift the bed off her - boxers don't really fit under the bed but somehow she wedged herself in there. The vet did prescribe some doggie valium at one point but as her health was already declining I was afraid to use it. The only silver lining in her health problems was that the hearing loss significantly reduced her ability to hear the fireworks, so our last 4th of July was relatively drama-free.
I really hope you can find something that makes this less stressful for both of you.
i am happy it worked for molly! you can support them, but never reward their fears.
after my first dog, i always act like a stable pack leader and it really worked. they do copy my behavior.
so no more frantic doggies.
Hi Everyone:
I got Tipper out of the closet and she laid on the bed listening to the low rumbles. She was ok with that and has never been. I just keep talking aloud as I would in the day time and did not change my voice tone. She was doing good and Toby started to bark. Up she went and in the closet. In and out running and looking at me in a panic mode and panting with water dripping off her. This went on for most of the nite. I have been up all nite. She is worn out this morning and I am afraid of what this has done to her eyes. There is little you can do to stop Toby from barking at thunder so it was a heck of a nite again. I believe Tipper must have inherited this as before 8-9 years old this never happened and there was never an incident that scared her into this. The article that Glynda sent me said it can be inherited. I just saw the news and it said maybe three four more days of this! She will never make it thru that. I am going to make the herb mixture over today and make it stronger as the vet said and maybe that will knock her out a while. This is terrible to live like this and people wonder why I like winter????? I called the lady that took Delora's cat last nite. She said the cat is running all over the house and down the basement, something she was not allowed to do at Delora's. She said she was going to rename her precious and thought she was so adorable. Hope all goes well there and she has a great home. This woman has money and a beautiful home so she will have it good. I hope all of you saw the cat on TV that beat up the dog that was attacking the little boy at the cats house. It was miraculous. the dog pulled the 4 year old off his bike and was biting him, and the cat came out of no where and flew in the air at the dog, the shocked dog ran, and the cat ran after him chasing him away. It was caught on the families surveillance camera!! The boy got stitches and the dog must be destroyed. I have to go get Tipper's chicken they have it ready so I can run in and out of the store as she will be with me. I will post later unless I fall asleep first! Blessings
Patti
Hi Everyone:
Tipper is taking a much deserved nap. I have the stronger herbs brewed and ready as more bad weather is to come soon. I forgot during all these storms when I went to take her potty the other nite she had a vestibular episode. I swear
this baby cannot catch a break. I can hear low faint rumbles of thunder.Normally this would be enough to send her tto the closet but she is handling it for now. I went and got her chicken. Hope it lasts for a year for what it costs! It is getting very dark here so I guess we are getting another round soon. I am resting today as this has worn me down too with mlittle sleep. I keep thinking of poor Deloras car and praying it forgives me for having to do this. My neighbor man is so happy she is gone I could just slap him one. I just don't get some people, so now he sits there alone again, just seems stupid to me! I am waiting to get a call back from the pain Dr. I sure hope he can do a nerve block on this, I need this gone like yesterday. Tipper has been panting off and on, but I think it is her nerves and the cortisol soaring when she gets frightened. She just woke up to a rumble and her little ears are rotating like an antannae so she is on alert again. Blessings
Patti
Sorry to hear that Tipper didn't make it through the night with the herbs. Hopefully stronger will do the trick.
I'm sure Delora's cat will love being spoiled and having a big home to roam around in. As long as she is loved and treated well, she will likely be very happy.
Hope the storms aren't bad. We're just having rain, no thunder and molly isn't phased by the rain it seems.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Could it be Tipper senses your anxiety and ''reacts'' by being even more scared?
I've found ignoring ''bad/unwanted'' behavior does more wonders than ''caring''(<rewarding with attention) for it...
i've had an -epileptic!- dog like this too, so i was very worried about her health during storms/fireworks etc..
a "dogwhisperer"' has given me very useful tips by then and i will tell you what those tips are;
-stay in bed during the storms. show normal behavior during the night. if you set an example she will follow it.
when you -as the packleader- go out of bed and pacing too and paying attention to her, you are confirming her fear.
storm-packleader on high alert-dog on high alert- and you are reinforcing each others fears.
open the closet, so she can seek comfort there, but try to totally ignore her fear.
we do not realize it at first, but by paying extra attention to them [even talking] during this state of anxiety-and even observing them is also paying attention-we show them that we are worried about them and the dogs know there is something wrong.
what they need is a very stable pack leader to show them there is nothing to be afraid of.
i know this is very difficult to do, but it really worked in the end with my dog.
at least no more panicking.
Hi Patti,
Trying to catch up on posts tonight. Had to get my daughter home from college so the last couple of days I didn't have a minute to log on. I was thinking of you when I've seen the weather these last few days. I'm so sorry Tipper has had to deal with the thunder and lightning. I spoke to my friend in Pittsburgh today and she said it was pouring like crazy. We're getting that tomorrow. I really hope Tipper does okay and that if you do get some bad storms that they pass quickly. Sounds like you all need a good night's sleep tonight.
Barbara
Hi Everyone:
Well the hard rain started last nite and Tipper started. She is associating the rain now with the thunder. I just ignore her and go about my business. This kills me inside though watching her struggle and be so petrified. I never show her my emotions as I know she will feed off of them. I am however very concerned what this is doing to her. I ordered the Bach Remedy as I previously mentioned and hope it comes soon. Since the Cush dogs are not to have alcohol, I finally found the new formula that has none. I will test it on her skin first as I do not need an allergic reaction since it is mostly flower ingredients. She is sleeping now and walked already this morning. It is dark and drizzling. I am getting ready to build an Ark and have a few sets of animals already to go on it! I did not sleep well last nite as Tipper wondered about and panted, ripped the covers out of her crate, and kept jumping on and off the bed. This is really wearing us both down. I just want some sunny cooler weather for her to calm down with. This has been the worst spring ever for her. I pray this has not affected her eyes, or anything else. She seems controlled on this dosage so I am trying not to take her for testing for a while as she has had enough. Blessings
Patti
I haven't gone through all the posts on your thread since it's pretty much a novel but I was wondering if you had heard of a Thundershirt. They are about $40 and use acupressure to calm down doggies that are afraid of thunder. It helped my friends dog immensely and also the Bach Flower Rescue Remedy is very effective. I give that to my pups before vet visits and grooming. Hope your doggie is doing well today. Blessings to you both.
Yes we have two thundershirts here, they do not help her. I am going to try the Bach Remedy as soon as it comes. Thank you for offering your help she has been really crazy from storms for four days. Blessings
Patti
how is the weather forecast for the next days?
is it any better?
seems like the weather is off everywhere.
we get tropical temp. next week with very sticky nights, and it is only may!
also a warning for thunderstorms because of that.
maybe you should drink something from tippers herbal drink too to have a good night sleep........
Hi Everyone:
Well go figure as soon as I turn the furnace off and put the sir on for Tipper we get freezing temperatures. I saw on the news it snowed some where this morning. It is sprinkling out today and over cast with some showers expected, but not thunder thank God. Tipper is getting a much deserved break. She even walked in the sprinkles this morning without becoming rattled. I am hoping the Bach Remedy is here by Monday so I can see if she is allergic to it. She has been having trachea issues so I am glad I switched to every two weeks on the Adequan as she will get one Wednesday and she needs it. I don't think it will ever be possible to stop it the way her trachea is so she will have to take them forever. She has been snorting a lot like a pig and having some honking episodes too. She did sleep ok last nite and was up a few times trying to clear her throat. I talked to the lady again that has Delora's cat. She is in a much better position to care for this cat than Delora ever was. This woman has money and will be able to afford a vet if something happens. The cat has a whole huge ranch house to run in the basement and everything. She also has a big bay window in the living room to watch the birds which is her favorite thing to do. She will be better off as this lady seems to be in decent health and ahs a daughter living a few streets over that can care for the cat if something should come up. I feel good about her situation now, even though I am sad at never seeing her again. It makes me realize how bad off Delora really is. I called her last nite and she said they are making her stay in bed because she almost fainted a few times and started throwing up. I must got to see her as I don't think she has long to be her, and I will take her the picture of her cat I made on the computer for her. She still thinks she is coming home so she keeps trying to get herself stronger in therapy. She asked me about the cat and I have a hard time lying about it , but have to do what is best for her. Blessings
Patti
Hi everyone:
A lazy day for the doggies, they walked three times. We did have rain but no thunder. Everything was going well, and I decided to melt some caramel in the microwave for a recipe. I was not paying attention and it burns easily. I never smelled anything so bad, and it set the smoke alarms off at which point Tipper almost has a breakdown. I had to open all the windows and it is freezing here today. It took so long to get the smoke out, you can still smell the odor even though I used spray from so on it. This poor baby cannot get a break! It was cold in the house so I had to turn the furnace back on after all this cleaning!! I know one thing no more caramel in the microwave. These cooler temperatures are much better for Tipper. I hope she has a good sleep tonite and does not get up
and roam around. I am going to call Delora. Blessings
Patti
Cold here today too so we are in and out with the garden stuff, which molly thinks is a real hoot!
Now I need to run to the store. *again!
Yikes, yep, have to watch those microwave melts, they go fast. Butter too as I use it to melt butter to pour over popcorn! LOL
Hope the smell clears out soon!
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
glad, that delora's cat has found such a great home. that must be a relief.
i am sorry, that you had to clean the kitchen again.
my dogs do like the cooler weather too and so do i.
hope you will have a lazy sunday and a good night sleep.
Patti,
we had rain all last night and sun today. I went to the dachshund race and forgot that there was also a bobbing for hotdogs contest and a costume parade!
There is a way to share the Facebook album with people who are not FB members. I'll post the link once I remember how to do this again.
I cried when I got to the car though, I was thinking of how much fun Daisy would've had before Cushings if she'd been able to go with me today.
Where did you get the harness with ice pack? That would be a great thing for Daisy to have.
I'm glad that Delora's cat is liking her new home. One less thing for you to worry about, you can't take on everyone's problems my dear. I am sorry that Delora is declining and her son is still a huge piece of human waste.
Wish I could channel some of the sun we've been getting here these days to all of you...
Nothing calms a dog down like a sleep under the sun...