Tipper - adrenal tumor/breathing issues

Hi Everyone:
Well I did make myself start the spring cleaning. I have my bathroom and bedroom done. I have been taking breaks and walking the dogs in between cleaning. I have a zillion rooms left to do! Oh well at least I made myself start that is the hard part. Tipper walked three times yesterday and had some tremors, not a lot like the nite before. I can tell her cortisol is lower as every time someone starts a mowers or something she runs away from the noise. I hope this does not ruin her summer and that she will come and sit on the front porch. The lower cortisol is better for her symptoms, but no good for her being afraid of noise. It is sunny, beautiful and in the 60s, so that is Tipper's kind of day.I cleaned all the bedding in the dogs crates and put it all back real nice and here came Tipper the ripper and tore all of hers out onto the floor and left it and walked away. Blessings
Patti

is the gras already growing so the neighbors have to mow their lawn?
outdoor season is coming so lots of noise outside. overhere too.
sad that it affects tipper so much.
where do you find the strength an motivation to do the spring cleaning?
my house could use some spring cleaning, but i am not in the mood.
my dogs do the same with their bedding. they want to do it themselves.
glad that the weather is ok, so you can walk in the sunshine!

Iris:
It is to be 70 today so we will be out as tomorrow is storms and the next day is snow!! Tipper walked four times yesterday. She was up and walking around last nite, it was supposed to rain and maybe she could sense the pressure change. I have no energy to really do this spring cleaning, and could hardly get put of bed this morning. I am just about to start another room. Nomthey are not knowing here yet, they are just getting the mowers ready for summer and starting them up. Blessings
Patti

Hi Everyone:
Tipper was up wandering around last nite. I think she was sensing the rain we were to get, and didn't. It will be 70 so she is definitely going to be walking. I could not tell if she was having tremors as she was not in the bed much last nite. She insisted on going in her crate and digging and rearranging her blankets, much to Toby's disdain. It's three in the morning and Tipper is digging in her crate and Toby is barking at her. Typical nite in this household. I am going to the
livingroom and clean it today. Even though I could barely get out of bed this morning, I am wanting to get this cleaning finished before the really nice weather starts! This will be a major accomplishment the way I feel. Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti,
Sorry your pups were up in the middle of the night. Those changes in the weather are definitely noticed by the dogs.
Trixie is the exact opposite as Tipper..now with lower cortisol she is much less jumpy about noises and especially the rain.
It's been great dog walking weather...glad you have gotten out with the dogs so much, I know they love it.
Trixie had 2 long walks yesterday--morning was off leash in Central Park and afternoon along the East River which she also loves. The weather brought out everyone so there were so may dogs which Trixie really appreciates.. she just loves sniffing after every dog. She had a ball.
She's resting right now. Last night and today I hear tummy gurgles from her which always gets me really worried...she seems fine had normal poops and has her usual huge appetite. I just wish I knew why sometimes those tummy noises are more prevalent. She did drink a bit more after all the walking and warmer temps so maybe it's just the fluids in there making noise...I hope so.
Hope you enjoy the day and don't work too hard on the spring cleaning...save it for the rainy days. ;)

Barbara

Save cleaning for the snow/rain day coming up! Great idea Barbara. :) It's too pretty out to clean today. LOL

Little rascals, up all night.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

hope the doggies will allow you to have a good night sleep after all this cleaning you have done....
i only did the laundry today and a bit of gardening.
do you have a big garden? i am glad i don't have a lawn to mow.

Hi Everyone:
I could not wait until the snowy day to spring clean as I had already started. If I stop I will never go back to it and finish it I hate it that much. I did manage two walks for Tipper yesterday in between cleaning. I finished the living room and I am moving into the dining room today. I was ready to take the cat up to see Delora yesterday and called her, but she said no don't bring it for some reason. Maybe she told that wonderful son of hers I was going to bring it and he said no. She is really upset they moved her to another room, he son told the staff she was too isolated. What a joke! He had he isolated the whole time she lived by me!! Tipper was having a very hard time breathing last nite. She really struggled and wheezed. The dew point was 51 and it got to almost 80 degrees. I have to go out
and rremove the cover off the central air in case I need to turn it on for her next week when it warms up. I can see a definite difference in her heat tolerance even from last year to now. I did turn on the ceiling fan, but had to shut it off as it gives me an earache to sleep with air flowing over me. We are awaiting the storm right now. I gave her a Melatonin and she has her dap collar on, and scratching at it already. She is panting off and on and I am not sure if it is the humidity or the pending storm making her nervous. It said on the weather to expect a lot of thunder, so this will be a challenge keeping her from getting crazy. She moved about the room last nite so I was not able to see if she had tremors or not. I hope to God we just get rain and no thunder for her sake . I will have to get her cool harness out and ready for the warmer weather. I fooled around trying to upload video from this table and don't have a manual to see what I am doing wrong. I looked online but found no help. I have to work at this as I want others to see it as it is not like any other ones posted. Blessings
Patti

Hi Everyone:
We are awaiting the thunder any time now. Tipper was really Crazy when the heavy rain started, so I do not see this dap collar helping her when it thunders. I am already stressed thinking of her panting and crazy from this. I need to get a permanent fix some how for this. I am desperate, and even looked into doggy ear plugs!! There is a head gear type that is supposed to work, but making her leave something like that on??? Well that should be a picnic! Blessings
Patti

so sorry for tipper having all this anxiety problems with the thunderstorms coming your way.
the only thing left is giving her a mild dose of real tranquilizers.
just for the heavy storms with lots of thunder.
ian has problems with the heat too. we had summer temp. last week. humidity does not help either.
maybe just put cotton balls in her ears?
distract her with a meaty bone to chew on?
i hope you will find a solution for this.
was she afraid of this before the cushing's too?

hmm, while I can get a chuckle out of imaging Tipper in head gear, I don't think the reality would work very well. It IS Tipper after all. LOL

Hopefully the thunder won't be too bad this time. I know there is always a next though.

Hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

Iris:
Yes Tipper was afraidmof it before, but with little cortisol levels she goes off the walls and there is not enough to manage her stress. God please no thunder! She is taking turns laying on the bed and on the floor close to the closet. I can tell she is on high alert. This is pitiful to have to keep this up. It is warm in here today and I am worried about her breathing if she goes in the closet as it will be too not for her in there, and she was struggling last nite too. I will turn the air on if I have to, but the temperature will plummet tonite with snow at 4 am, and we don't need air on during that! She can handle the rain so please let it just be rain
Blessings
Patti

i hope this will work out just fine for you and tipper. what a stress!
is it over yet? snow at least does not make noise.

Hi Everyone:
Well it was a bad nite here last nite. Tipper was so upset from all the wind and the rain all day. When she finally tried to lay down and sleep when it was quiet, she has the worst tremors yet. Part of me wanted to film, it but the common sense side of me just wanted to stop it. It was rocking her whole body. It seems she is not doing the smaller ones any more, they are bad and really rock her abdomen, it actually rocks he back and forth it is so strong. I always notice a deep different pattern in her breathing before it starts. So it sleeted, hailed, and is snowing now. Both of us were up most of the nite. I did sleep a bit, and woke up to being drenched in sweat, and not feeling well. If I forget any of my meds this happens. I was so stressed for Tipper I forgot one of my pills so I took it, but by that time it was 4am and I could not sleep. Tipper seems to be doing a faster shallow breathing the last 2 days that has me worried. This morning she did not poop. I gave her her Vetoryl and she wanted to go out again. She had a real loose poop, which worried me cause she had her Vetoryl. She never has loose stool. I am wondering if it was all the stress of yesterday and last nite?? I will see how she is today, and if she is OK she willnot get Vetoryl again until she poops because she is pretty low with her numbers right now and as I said before that has me concerned. She is acting good, ate OK and seems alert, so it could be the stress of yesterday. We have laser therapy today, and I am still feeling sick and do not want to go, but I will do it for her. I finished my dining room yesterday so I am moving along with the spring cleaning. Today will be rest day, as I am not feeling like working. I am barely making it walking around, so no work. I will stay with my girl and make sure she is alright. I talked to Delora and she told me hospice has been wanting to see her son. She is just miserable,and really depressed. I think my neighbor wants the cat to go to another home and neither one of us can find anybody willling to take her. Blessings

Hi Patti,
I am so sorry that Tipper is having issues at night, and that you are not feeling well! I hope you get some rest today.

Nadia

It definitely could have been stressed related loose stool. She was upset for a long time yesterday. So, cross fingers that is all it is and that she is normal at end of day or tomorrow morning.

Snow should all melt tomorrow or Thursday. :)

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

Thank Nadia and Sharlene. I hope it was just stress that caused this in Tipper. She never has loose stool. She is eating well, went to laser therapy with no problem, and is alert and running thru the house. I hope she poops early in the morning tomorrow so I can see if it is ok to know if I will dose her or not. I must get this video up for you all to see. We have blood pressure in the morning so if anything is wrong I will have the vet available to see. It is really cold out and still snowing. It is covering all the trees and bushes and looks pretty, but it is too cold for Tipper to walk. With her stool like this I really just want her to rest. Blessings
Patti

i am sorry that it was such a hard night for both of you.
at least snow falling does not make a lot of noise.
hope you both will be able to rest for the remains of the day.
lots of loose stools here as a result of a doggie virus in this village.
i had to beg for old newspapers because i ran out of them.
they are never sick, but this time it is a very contagious virus.
they want to walk though.
hope it is just stress related with tipper.

Hi Patti, it never seems to end for our pups does it. Thinking about you.

Patti
I hope everything is okay with you and Tipper! Some things I count on and one is that you log in every morning and check how everyone is doing and give us the Tipper update. That didn't happen this morning, so you know me, worry wart.
Whats up?

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

Patti to get the best from the dap collar it has to be left on at all times that way it builds up in the system. On and off won't work as well remember it has a time limit of 30 days where you need to renew it. Woody used to scratch his neck with it on but I would take it off for a little while but he wore it everyday, it worked for him

Hi Everyone:
Sharlene you are too funny, a worry wart like me. We had blood pressure this morning. It was good and the weight was down a little which is also good. This morning Tipper had a normal poop!!! So Sharlene you were right she just had too much stress the day before because of the weather. When we got home I walked the dogs and immediately went in the family room to tackle it. If I quit, I hate cleaning so bad I will never go back and finish it. That is why the late post, as I just finished the whole room. Tomorrow I will tackle the kitchen, which I have been dreading. I left a message at my vets asking for 2mg, 6 mg, and 7 mg trilostane to be called in Diamondback for Tipper. That way I have my own little drug store and when I need to switch doses, I have just about every one, and won't have to wait for the vet who never does what he is supposed to do. He probably read my note and I bet he was cussing me out. It would be too much to ask for, for him to not make a big deal out of it. This will be fight 2000 probably! Tipper walked twice in between my cleaning, so she is snoring right now. She had some bad tremors again last nite, and was up and about quite a lot too. A border collie came over to greetmher when she was getting off the scale at the vets and she really showed her teeth at him and he backed up. The owner said oh you dog is so funny! I said if I let her down on the floor I think you would describe her differently!! He laughed and said oh she can't be that mean! That's my little Tipper the Ripper, she invented Alpha Dog!! Blessings
Patti

Well very glad to hear that it was the BP and spring cleaning mayhem that was keeping you busy today.

yay for a good BP for Tipper.

Funny, this morning I was outside, getting ready to leave and saw a guy walking his dog at a nice brisk pace up the sidewalk. Not sure where they live as I don't recall seeing them around before, but I swear that dog looked like Tipper. I said to myself, and there goes a little Tipper dog for sure. LOL

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

Patti, good reports Tipper! Keep it up. :)

I hate cleaning too so when I start, I also don't stop.

Hi Everyone:
I am getting a late start on the dreaded kitchen cleaning! Tipper slept in her crate a lot last nite and so I was not able to check on the tremors. Her poop is still OK and she remains on her Vetoryl. Very cold here this morning, but warming up and the sun is out. My neighbor asked if we could take Deloras cat to a shelter?? Are you kidding me?? I said no way,a and he left it alone. I need to get a fix for that situation. My first priority is getting Tipper's video posted. I have already started to go over and over in my head about Tipper's appt. next week at the hospital. I am going in to do battle with the kitchen, and I need to call and see if my vet called in Tipper's RX to Diamondback. Blessings
Patti

Hi Everyone:
Well my vet did call in the three requests I asked for from Diamondback. The only problem was he messed them up. So I got it all straightened out. Seriously can he do simple tasks??? I had to pay some bills today, walk the dogs, and clean the kitchen, so I have just finished everything but the floor. Tomorrow I must run to the store, so I need the dog sitter to watch Tipper as I won't be gone long. Tipper is still doing a lot of swallowing and sounds like she is taking a drink, it has to be some type of mucous or fluid, but from where?? She is resting now while I have a heating pad on my knee, from up and down the ladder. Looks like a good week coming up. At least I will be done with this cleaning when the nice weather starts!! The doggies have walked three times and I am tired. A break tomorrow to run to the store, then back at it. Hope no tremors tonite.
Blessings
Patti

i hope your knee will get better soon. all that cleaning and 3 walks....
can't you take a one day break to recover?
glad to read that the weather is improving.
and that your vet ordered the trilostane!

Hi Patti,
I hope your knee heals fast. Try and keep positive thoughts for next week, although I know how hard it is not to worry. Hugs to Tipper!

Hi Patti!
I hope that knee clears up in no time at all. Can you take ibprophen? That is what helps my knee the most when it starts acting up. All it takes is a wrong step to twitch it a bit. A ladder or on your knees cleaning sure can make you pay later.

hmmm, Tipper isn't due for another shot for her trachea is she? For some reason I'm thinking it was 2 weeks back she had the last shot. Seems there would be something with some properties to reduce mucus. tumeric maybe? Leslie might know.

well, I'm tired. Brain tired I think. :)

Oh and in answer to your question about 18 months for the adrenal tumor to show up. It wasn't there on the last ultrasound.

hugs
Sharlene and Molly muffin

Hi Everyone:
Well Tipper has some bad tremors last nite. I am still not convinced they are not myoclonic seizures that I mentioned months ago. I have been researching them.It turns out they start when the dog first goes to sleep, and Tipper's do. They affeect the face with twitching, which she does. They can start in one placeaand get worse which they do. They can be caused by medication, which is the Vetoryl. They cannot be cured once they start and that is why when she was off the Vetoryl for several days they continued. They can sometimes be controlled with meds, which I don't think I want to get into now. There are too many pieces to the puzzle that fit here. I am going to pursue this with the neurologist and her IMS next week. They can stop breathing, and lose consciousness. She does do a funny deep breathing before this starts as I have mentioned. I am going to show the IMS the newest video of her doing this. I wish I had one of the really bad ones on there for her to see, I will try to get one before next week. I am having a break in the work today, and running to the store when the dog sitter gets here. We are supposed to get to 70 on Sunday. Blessings
Patti

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Please watch this video to the end these are mild tremors only no bad ones. It is the second video.

Dear Patti
The tremors could be a host of issues. Apollo got mouth tremors when he was on Trilostane. Maybe contact Dechra the company that makes Trilostane. The have a place for emailing them ,a vet will email you back. And the other suggestions are ask your vet and research the internet. Wish I could be of some more help.
Hugs Sonja and Angel Apollo

Hi Everyone:
I finally got the video on my thread so please look at it to the end. These are mild tremors only, not the real big ones. I am going to try and get one of the bad ones on here as soon as I can. If you watch closely you will see her eye and face twitching along with her tail. If you have any ideas on this please share them. Sorry about the bad videographer, but it was the first time I used this table to take video. Blessings. Thank you Sonja!
Patti

Hi Patti,

I really don't know much about seizures, but I did just read a bit on myoclonic seizures. They seem more of a localized muscular response, rather than a tremor type. So a jerk, hard fast, in videos I looked at they seemed abrupt spasm.
Tremors sort of, to me, appear to be more ripple than a jerk. You likely know more about them than I do. So this is just how it seemed to me.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

Patti,
I would try to video tape the worst ones, I know that is hard to do with Tipper and show the best vids that show it clearly to the neuro vet and IMS.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

The only reason I haven't is it is so bad I try to get her awake to stop it, instead of getting the video. It is very hard to watch, but I must do it.

These are so mild they could be anything from dreaming to feeling cold...

Don't remember where i read it, but dogs with health problems tend to feel colder...I always covered Husko with a blanket when he fell asleep and it seemed to help him sleep better...

Could be as simple as that(?)

ian has the same muscle spasms when he is fast asleep. as in sws sleep.
he can even make barking noises and growl.
his legs are making walking movements sometimes.
he is re-living the things he experienced during daytime.
to me tippers video does not worry me, but maybe the one with the bad tremors will.
to me it looks as she is dreaming.
hope the specialist will have an answer for you.

Awww..Tipper is so sweet snoozing away. Now you said these were the mild ones and Trixie does do something similar and did so even before Cushings..but she only does these mild type of tics and movements and not all the time, just once in awhile. She sometimes looks like she's almost going to run in her sleep, but nothing more than this type of thing and it's usually while she's sleeping here in the living room while we're watching TV, not when she's sleeping in the bedroom so much. I always thought she was dreaming and I always just reach over and pet her back to kind of wake her out of it.
I imagine the stronger ones that Tipper has are more alarming than this.

Barbara

Hi Everyone:
Tipper had a good nite not to may tremors. I am waiting to get a bad one on video. It is nice and sunny already today and Tipper has walked once. I am resting today and tomorrow. Tipper had that congested sound last nite and woke up with a lot of mucous again in her eyes. I am going to play with and enjoy my babies this weekend. The people that have Grace sent me an email with them all dressed up as Easter bunnies Grace looked so cute. I am happy they love her, but miss her terribly. She was just lime Tipper, that once in a lifetime companion. In case I forgot anyone I am wishing you all a blessed Easter.
Patti