that is exactly the way it went with my flynn.the arthritis was already present, but covered by the high levels of cortisol. one pill of vetoryl and bham indeed!!Quote:
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that is exactly the way it went with my flynn.the arthritis was already present, but covered by the high levels of cortisol. one pill of vetoryl and bham indeed!!Quote:
Originally Posted by molly muffin
My only thought is though, Tipper never had the tremors until she started Vetoryl. So there would have been no medical reason that I am aware of that she would have inflammation of her nerves. I know about the arthritis as when Tipper's cortisol lowered it flared up. That is part of the reason she started laser therapy. She walked three times today and it was cold out so she is already wanting to go to sleep. I turned on the electric blanket for her. Elvis is screaming form his cage so I must cover him before Tipper gets up. Blessings
Patti
do you have snow again? glad that you were able to walk though!
so elvis off to bed and tipper too.
nice, that you've got an update on grace.
hope you will have a chance to sleep in till -lets say- 10 a.m.??
i am going to visit my aunt tomorrow, and do her garden.
in return she will cook me a nice meal and spoil the doggies....
it is a pity she does live so far away. driving is not my hobby.....[small country, lots of traffic]
but i don't have to work this monday morning!
i still have to find the guts to upgrade this old pc....stress!
In my simple mind, there is your answer right there ^^^. ;)Quote:
My only thought is though, Tipper never had the tremors until she started Vetoryl.
Hi Everyone:
Tipper just walked although it is cold with heavy frost on the ground. Leslie I always go back to the Vetoryl as the cause too, but I guess what I am wanting to find out is why exactly the Vetoryl does to cause this?? What is the mechanism causing this?? It has just gotten so bad . It went from a leg tremor now to full body tremors shaking her violently at times. I thought if I could figure out how the Vetoryl causes this that maybe the Neurologist could prescribe a med that would counteract it. It is increasingly hard to watch. I can tell Tipper is due for Adequan as she is exhibiting tracheal issues again. It is to go into the 60s here today, I hope so as the dogs can be out more. I am going to have to see about permission to get Deloras cat a new home somehow. Asking her is not going to
work as she thinks she is coming home, and would say she wants her cat back! I do not want to call the son, so I have a dilemma here that is not by my choice. Blessings
Patri
Hi Everyone:
We are waiting for rain, which I pray does not bring thunder. It is in the 30s and Tipper has walked twice. I was noticing when she has been walked many times and really worn out, she doesn't seem to start with the tremors as much when first going to sleep. No what that piece means to the puzzle, I am not sure yet. I am going to keep a record of her walks and tremor activity to see how they could be connected in the reduction of this. Hope Tipper does not get wound up today from the weather. She has her ACTH again for like the 18th time on Wednesday. I hate doing this to her it really stresses me out. Blessings
Patti
it is april 8 already overhere, so i should not be on the internet with my w-xp pc. but since i didn't visit the forum yesterday i wanted to look at the new messages.
i hope you and tipper are alright.
i hope the test results will be ok wednesday and you can postpone her next test for a long time.
Good luck on Wednesday Patti!
It's been raining all night here.
Hi Everyone:
Well it's been raining for two days so quite a bit of pounding and no dog walking. Tipper went in the closet when it starting raining real hard, but she was not shaking or anything like when it thunders. We are supposed to get that next week. Some tremors thru the nite last nite. I am wanting to see if there is any connection between the days she walks a lot and exercises these muscles, and the days she doesn't, how that affects these tremors. I will watch tonite as she did not walk and see if they are better or worse. Don't know what that will prove, but maybe one step closer to figuring this out. Tomorrow is ACTH day and I am already feeling guilty she has to do this so soon, I think it is number 17 or 18 as I
lost count. This is brutal and I get sick on the day of this testing as I know how hard on her this is. I wish there was some easier way. I guess everyone wishes there was. I watch The Housewives shows and Monday nite one of the women had there Yorkie killed by a large dog next door and she found her dog hanging out of the other dogs mouth. This girl was devasted and had the Yorkie for 7 years. I don't know what is wrong with me, but it is continually on my mind. Every time I think of it it makes me cry. This women was just lot without her baby, and I guess I see a little of me in that, and it really scares me. If I had know that was going to happen, I would have skipped that episode.I pray my baby lives a long life. I know what crushing devastation many forum members have been going thru, and it terrifies me. Blessings
Hi Patti. Just wishing you good luck with Tippers test. I know how hard it is on us, sometimes more so then the actual pups. Hope all goes well.
It was half snow, half rain this morning and cold, but off we go to the swim therapy we missed yesterday. I read your updates everyday, just want you know.
Oh poor Tipper! That makes me cringe, just the thought of it.:( I really wish there were easier ways to do this. And the ridiculously expensive cost? You are just amazing, Patti and Tipper is one lucky pup. I don't understand why the cost varies so much tho.
I hate everything what they have to go through to survive with this disease.
I will pray she will get good numbers tomorrow. Hugs. Song.
I know just what you mean about test days Patti. I just can't stand bringing Trixie to the vet and most especially if I have to leave her for any amount of time. I am not looking forward to out next test though I know it's important that we get one. Tipper has had a lot of testing, but at least she is probably used to the drill and though she most likely doesn't care for it-who would?--at least she is probably not too fearful, I hope! Just hate when they look at you in fear...Tipper is usually so good at the vet...she's a brave pup.
I'm always hoping for the time at the vet to go by quickly so it will be over and can get her out. I hope today and tomorrow move quickly for you and Tipper and that the test will go smoothly.
Hoping you get that pre number to a good spot. Seems like Tipper's cushings symptoms have been good though, right? No evidence of going too low since the last test?
We started out today in a heavy fog and drizzle...Trixie didn't care and as usual was ready to go but I didnt care for the rain spitting in my face so we didn't go far. The sun has just broken through here...sky is that kind of bright white overcast color and it's warming up so as soon as I can straighten up here we'll go walk along the river to the nearby park. Trixie is bored and giving me the whites of her eyes so I'm going to get moving.
Hoping your bad weather is over and that Tipper and Toby can go outside.
Barbara
Hi Everyone:
I just had a shocker. I went into my bank account to see all these charges on my debit card. This happened to me last year at another bank. I had to go sign papers in front of a notary, and they make you file a police report. The deputy told me that say you go to Walmart. These crooks have special cards that they scan after your transaction as they are in line behind you and it records the last 10 or 15 transactions and debit numbers. It looks just like a credit card, and they buy some cheap item and when they scan this card it just says to the cashier not approved, but it has already recorded all those numbers that were ahead of them. Then they just use a real card and pay for the cheap item and leave the store undetected. I think I am going back to writing checks this is an pain in the @#$. So now I have to wait to have any money available to me, and my debit card is canceled. I ordered something on line and had to get on and change the account number. This causes so much trouble. It cleared up here and the sun has been out so Tipper and Toby and I walked three times. I am going to try and take Deloras cat to see her at the end of the week if I can get the dog sitter. I just had to stop and buy litter for her cat and food. Her son is such a cheap deadbeat that he would never think of getting some and sending it over. The cat is doing well with my neighbor, too bad he will not consider keeping her. What ever happened to elderly wanting company? I just feel like canceling Tipper's ACTH tomorrow. I just get nauseated on the way there knowing what she has to go thru. Blessings
Patti
A couple of years ago I was almost talked into getting a debit card. I went on a trip and saw a sign in two of the hotels I stayed in stating they would not accept debit cards. When I asked why, both places said they were too easy to gain access to and commit fraud with so they simply did not take them. Needless to say, I stuck to my guns and did not get a debit card!
Patti,just out of curiosity, how long is Tippy's walk each time?
Good for Tipper and Toby and for you too. I should take Flora out more often now the weather is warmer. She's so plump.:o
Oh that is awful Patti. :( Such a bother it is to get it all sorted out too.
I think you will definitely feel better if you know that Tippers numbers are in a good place and you don't need to get ACTH so often from now on. It does seem like she has been very stable on this dose with her thyroid under control. So that makes me think the thyroid might have had something to do with the way her cortisol was reacting. It's all connected in the body after all.
Hope the rain stops. We had some overnight last night and this morning, but now, blessed sunshine!!!! :)
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Song:
We walk about 40 minutes each time we go. Tipper was used to walking miles every day before she got sick. I think that has been her saving grace, that she was in such good shape when this all started. That is or should I say was Tipper's very favorite thing to do. Before this started she had leg muscles liked the Hulk!. She loves to be outside, I just hope she doesn't act like last summer when she did not want out on the front porch. She always ran to go on the porch, but last year was scared to go out much. I think it may be the noise as that has affected her badly. It might be the lawn mowers etc. It is not hot so this is the best time to go so maybe Flora would enjoy it. Blessings
Patti
i think you are right about our dogs surviving the cushing's because they were in such a good shape before. ian loves his walks too,
especially hiking in the forest. his sister is more of a water doggie. swimming in the river is her favorite thing.
i hope everything will be ok with your creditcard.
w7 did not work on this pc, so i am still on xp, and i am not doing banking business or shopping online anymore. too afraid something will go wrong.
i ordered a vista dvd because my pc should be able to handle this one.
i am getting so stressed from this all.
good luck tomorrow at the vets practice and hoping for excellent numbers.
Wow, that's a lot of walking if you do it a few times a day and little Toby can keep up with you and mighty fast Tipper? Go Toby! You must be in such good shape yourself walking that much regularly.;)
Flora and I used walk once around the block ( once was all she wants to do and not a yard more or she'd put her butt to the ground and won't budge:mad:) on good weather days but she doesn't go beyond the end of our driveway anymore after she was assaulted by a huge dog on one of our regular walks last summer. I tested her not too long ago thinking she must've forgotten that incident by now but this little princess still remembers and I couldn't get her out of the driveway.:o I have to drive her to somewhere so it won't be that easy for me anymore unless she somehow forgets about it.:rolleyes:
Song:
For some reason if I take Tipper somewhere else to walk she is freaked out. It seems like she is scared about things unfamiliar to her. She will hardly walk for looking around her. Her personality has changed so much since all this happened. One thing that has not changed and never will, this little dog would defend me with her life. Blessings
Patti
Hi Everyone:
Well my girl was up again while it was still dark out! That's ok as long as she gets up and I see that sweet face all is good. She had some tremors last nite, but not a lot, and she had a lot of exercise, so I will keep a record of this and see if there is any connection to that and the tremors. I have all her supplements and Vetprylk into her already as we will be leaving for the vets for her testing. God I hate doing this to her! I spoke to Delora last nite. She said her brother is coming from North Carolina in about2 weeks to see her. He could stay at her house. I plan to have a good talk with him about all this with her son. Maybe he can go to the social worker at the nursing home and help some how. I need to get this cat situation handled. I don't know how much longer my neighbor will keep her cat?? I hope Tipper has some good numbers as I swear I am not doing this to her before three months again. This poor thing I feel really bad for her. Blessings
Patti
Hi, Patti,
I just wanted to wish you and Tipper for good results on her ACTH test today so she can have a break from it for a while. I feel your pain for Tipper for what she must go through to fight this.
What our babies have to endure to get better is sooo unfair and dangerous to them I so wish we have more advanced medical treatments available already for this cruel disease but since we don't at the moment I hope the experts are working their hardest to find a cure very soon. Hugs. Song.
Hi Everyone:
Thank you all for thinking of my girl today. She has had so many of these tests that it is just brutal doing this to her. We are all done and the Dr. told me Tipper is the best dog he has ever taken blood from. He said she just sits there very stoic and never moves one bit. I said well this is like the 18th time so I guess she knows the drill. He said that doesn't matter that he gets dogs that come in every week that are terrible acting, have to be muzzled etc. Well I do find out the answer to them question that has been bugging me. Why Tipper's ears were flapped down her whole life and as of a year ago they stand straight up and will not bend over like they did. The vet said when they get older things calcify in their ears and harden more or less. So now the mystery is finally solved!! It is about 55 out and beautiful so we are heading outside. Blessings
Patti
glad that the testing is over! have a nice walk with her and toby and try to relax till you get the results on friday.
maybe dolora's brother will take the cat? it is difficult to make the right choice for her. maybe the same rescue that replaced grace?
Hi Everyone:
I am certainly glad that the test is over with. Tipper has already walked and the sun is out and going in the 50s. Maybe some rain later on, but starting out good. I am always thankful when the doggies get out and have fun. I am anticipating Tipper's results today or tomorrow. I hate waiting for things its one of my quirks, especially when it involves Tipper. I hope her numbers are good. I think I can read her signs good enough to tell if she is going low,instead of all this brutal testing every few weeks I want to let her go for 3 months. I will really have to watch her. Maybe like Sharlene said that with her thyroid controlled now her number will be more stable on this dose. I talked with Delora last nite. She is really failing and confused. She said her brother would be here the 23 or 24 th of April, I am hoping she lasts that long. I am taking her cat to see her later in the week. I have been trying to start my spring cleaning, which is usually done by now, but do not have the energy for some reason. I may attempt my bathroom this afternoon and go from there. I hope the vet calls soon with Tipper's numbers. Some tremors last nite, but not a lot. She did walk three times yesterday so I am keeping track of the pattern. Blessings
Patti
When Keesh had his last ACTH test by the latest vet, she actually did the blood draw from his neck. I freaked, but it didn't seem to bother him at all. I asked her why the neck... she said it gives a better reading. Beats me, but that's what she did. Glad it's over for Tipper now, and sure hope the readings are good ones.
Judi:
Tipper's is always done in the neck, and I can't stand to watch it as it just kills me knowing she has to do this. Can you imagine that in your own neck?? Just brutal! I so wish there was another way. Blessings
Patti
My vet or her technicians always draw blood from Ginger's jugular vein saying her veins on her legs are too small and didn't mention that they give better readings:rolleyes: and I do feel awful for her each time.:(
They take her away from me and bring her back when she's done and in a way I think it's better for me as I don't think I can stand watching her being manipulated by them.:o She's done 5 times so far and I pray not too many more for her from now on.
Hi Everyone:
I just called and got Tipper's numbers. The make me a bit nervous I have to admit. Her last pre was 0.9 and post was 5.5. Now she has a pretty of 1.3 and a post of 3.5. What are your thoughts on these numbers?? I know the pre is just barely low as I spoke to Dechra after getting the results and the cut off is still 1.5 so that is one thing that is one thing that remains unchanged. It makes me a little nervous since her pre is low and the post is down to 3.5. Dechra feels the pattern with her shows she should be OK. No wonder she is not begging for food all the time!!!. I knew she was down there but not this low. They feel that since she takes all this in the morning that if she would go low it would probably be within a 6 hour window, and not while sleeping as that is what scares me. I don'twant this happening, if it ever does in the nite. If I ever have to deal with this I want it in the day. They think I should stay the course with the 20 Vetoryl and the 7 trilostane. They said they feel comfortable with her not being retested for 3 months. It worries me and I do not want to put her thru it as I want a longer period for her to recover from all this, but it scares me at the same time. I think this is the best balance I am going to get for her. I also discussed her tremoring and they said to keep track of her exercising and when she doesn't to see if the lower cortisol is giving her problems somehow when her muscles are tired. I don't see that as the case as when she could not get out this winter it was still happening regularly. I thought if anything the exercise would help??Blessings
Patti
You know I can't help you at all with the readings, but I'm glad it's done and it's all over at least for a little while.
Dear Patti
Thank you for your kind words. You have enough on your plate. When you are dealing with this disease,it can zap your energy,the constant tests,blood tests,symptoms, drug adjustments, and what it is doing to your baby.
Apollo had slight mouth tremors on Trilostane. He was on such a low dosage. His cortisol would get too low and then we'd take him off to raise it. It is a juggling act. But we added in thyroid medicine, milk thistle, antibiotics for the skin infections,etc.,can not remember half the supplements he took. Apollo did live to be one month short of 14.aI agree waiting 3 months would make me nervous too. I would take care of him again in a heartbeat. I relished every day I had with him. Monitor Tipper and if you notice changes than contact the vet.Each case is different. What bothers me the most is there have not been more advances in treating this horrible disease. Tipper is just so cute.
Hugs Sonja and Angel Apollo
Hi Everyone:
Well Tipper my rock star has walked 4 times today. I think her back legs are a little tired. I want to see if more exercise will help these tremors. Sonja thank you for the help, I can always use some wisdom as sometimes I think I will go crazy from this disease. I am sad there are no advances with this disease too. Tipper is snoring away so she is definitely tired out. Toby kept up, for such a little dog he can really walk. I assume Yorkies are not known for being walking partners with those little legs, but he matches us step for step. I am going to get my vet to order me 2 mg, 6 mg, and 7 mg trilostane. I have most other doses. Then if I need to go up or down like 2 mgs I can do that without waiting for the meds. I could tell Tipper's cortisolmwas low today as we have lots of wind gusts going on and she was a little apprehensive about the situation and was acting a bit scared of it. Well they are done walking for the day, so it won't bother her anymore. She had her Adequan shot yesterday too so hopefully the trachea will calm down and not cause he'd discomfort. Even though Dechra said stay the course, I feel like I want to drop down 1 mg. I am not comfortable with her pre being low, it just makes me nervous. I need to think on it, as I don't want the post climbing and causing symptoms. She has been on just about every dose but 26 mg. Maybe that is the magic number that will get the pre number OK without a rise in the post?? I hate this it is just like a chess game. Blessings
Patti
The numbers as they are seem to be pretty good, she has come up from the lower pre number of .9 so that is an improvement, and the post is where it should be. So, you'll have to keep an eye on her, test sooner if need be, otherwise wait and give her and you a break.
So sorry to hear that Delora is failing. :(
We have the wind here too and suppose to get showers this evening. Yea, I hear the word snow for a maybe next week sometime. If it happens, cruddy as that is, at least it will melt during the day.
Sounds like you wore the gang out with the walks today. Hope it leads to a peaceful night. I think the same thing, that the more walks, the more tired, maybe the less tremors. Either way, you will know more for certain after you have kept records of it for awhile.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
those numbers sound good! and 4 walks today..not bad at all!
i feel a migraine coming up, so i took my meds and off to bed now.
hope you and tipper have a good night sleep.
Patti. Tipper seems to be doing well aside from the tremors.
Daisy couldn't do 4 walks in one day. No way. Someday I hope that she will although she's definitely stronger since the dose increase.
Hi Everyone:
Well last nite Tipper had bad tremors and she had walked four times. I am anxious to see if it is all the exercise having some connection to these tremors. I can really tell her cortisol is lower as she went romthe closet last nite during the heavy rain. She was not panting or shaking, she just felt more secure in the closet. She will have to have Melatonin and the dap collar Monday is supposed to be real stormy. It is raining hard now and she is just laying there listening to it. She is good until the thunder starts, then forget it. It is getting closer to the ultra sound at the hospital, and I am already nervous thinking about it. If I never get anything else the rest of my life I will be content just with good reports on Tipper. In the end that is all that matters to me. I just think it is so torturous having to do this every three months but we have no choice. Dechra told me yesterday from Tipper having so many ACTH tests that they think it drives her cortisol up a bit when she is tested. It seem her post is much better when she is more relaxed. That is why they said no testing for three months. We shall see how she gets along on this dose, she does not have much wiggle room before going low, so this does make me nervous. Blessings
Patti
Patti,
Hopefully this dose will be ideal for now. It seems that Daisy's symptoms act up for a few days after an ACTH test so Tipper's might too.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
Sounds like Tipper has been enjoying all her outside time..and Toby too. I see lots of very peppy Yorkies in the park everyday and a couple of them are actually running alongside their jogging owners so I'm not surprised Toby keeps up with you and Tipper when you're walking.
Tippers numbers sound really good to me...her pre came up from last time to a good spot. When she had the .9 last test she hadn't shown any signs of going too low and now the post is up so even though we always have to remain cautious it sounds like she's doing really well on this dose. Seems like she's in a really good place judging by her behavior...Cushings symptoms are controlled but she still has energy and appetite...I think you should be happy with these results. You always watch her carefully and you would immediately see if anything seemed amiss.
We are supposed to have thunder storms on Tuesday as it moves East from where you are. I notice Trixie much less nervous about the noises from the rain now that her cortisol is lower. When she was not controlled she would hide and shake like crazy...she would even go under the table when it was raining with no thunder. I hope it stays like this, I hated to see her shaking in fear during storms.
Glad for Tipper that she can have a break from the tests at least for a little while. Hope she continues to feel good and that the tremors ease up.
Barbara
Hi Patti,
How are you and Tipper doing today?
Nadia
Nadia:
Tipper is doing pretty good, but I can tell her cortisol is lower as every time someone starts a mower or something she is jumpy. We are supposed to have storms Monday nite and I am concerned about that too.For the most part she is doing well, and able to get her exercise in now that the weather is better. It seems Lola is in a good spot too. I just hope Tipper's pre number doesn't go any lower. Blessings
Patti