Tipper - adrenal tumor/breathing issues

My first thought with breath, is not necessarily are the teeth in bad shape if they are taken care of, but what has changed in the diet. If nothing at all has changed, then back to whether or not the teeth are okay or not.
You can look at them and see if there is any plaque and how the gums look. That will give you an idea at least of eliminating or narrowing down possibilities.

I know that if Molly get anything with liver in it, that it's going to be rough for the entire household. Her breath smells, her toots can clear a 5 mile radius at least. There are just some things that they will belch up, etc. If there is anything new or different in the diet that might be the culprit.

Hope Tobers continues to do better, it's a good sign that he kept his dinner down. You just never know with these guys what they will pick up from where.

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

i'm new here on this forum and i read a lot about supplements. is there a list on this forum? my cushing dogs only get some extra vitamins and omega 3 fish oil. they are on a barf-diet all their life.
and is there a reason why you are giving the vetoryl in 2 different parts? i give it in 2 equel parts with 12 hours in between.
thanks for your answers.

before he was getting vetoryl, my eldest cushing dog ian was trembling over his whole body when getting tired during walks. the last time this happened he collapsed totally. i went to the vet and after some tests he was put on vetoryl and they stopped completely. no more trembling since the day he was put on vetoryl [nov 23]. l'm glad but may be it can come back? his muscles in his hindquarters are much stronger so it seems. and this all in 3 weeks with an almost 13 year old dog. hope it stays this way. he had no tremors during his sleep.
can you also tell me about tippers diet? thank you gr iris.

Hi Patti that is so interesting you bringing up Tippers breath. I'm having the same problem with Buddy and I didn't even think of the change in diet until Sharlene mentioned it. I wonder if that is the problem with my Buddy. I used to brush his teeth but my fault I stopped doing it because he hated it and now he won't let me touch his teeth. I tried brushing them today and he took a fit. I cannot stress him out so I guess he won. I hope you figure out Tippers problem.

Hiya Patti.... Keesh's breath would knock your sox off. It's a combination of his teeth and I think his liver. I bought the milk thistle tablets and give him 1/2 dosage that adults take. He improved literally in a day. I don't always give it to him, but you can bet he certainly gets it before his hydrotherapy as both myself and therapist are at head level in the water with him. I'm going to get his teeth cleaned possibly in the new year, as all his blood work says he should be able to withstand the anesthetic, but I'm pretty leery of doing it at his age.

The milk thistle won't hurt anything so maybe it's worth a try. Just buy the pure brand, no additives. I got mine at Walmart, not very expensive.

Hope Toby is feeling better and you are taking care of yourself as well.

Hugs from Keesh and myself.

Judi:
Id already give Tipper milk thistle. I am going to fax a note to my vet. He was not there this morning when we had the Bp done. Tipper gained weight again. The Bp was good at 130. I will let you know what the vet suggests. Blessings
Patti

Hi Everyone:
Well another day and the supplements did not come so I will be calling when I am done here. Tipper had good Blood pressure today at 130, but gained weight again. This is going to make me crazy. The vet was not in as usual so I will fax a note and ask him for a plan on cleaning her teeth and seeing if something is wrong in her mouth. She went in her crate again last nite so no video. This dog is too ____ smart for her own good. I am going to just have it out with these supplement suppliers if they do not have a good explanation for this. It 's enough already. I need to get her on a diet as of 2 weeks ago, and I am not waiting any longer. It is 15 degrees here so not walking again today. The sun is out but it is very deceiving. Blessings
patti

So happy to hear Tipper had a good bp reading That's wonderful! How is Toby feeling?

Toby is his old self this morning. Not exactly sure what it was but he is fine now. I am glad as he gets real stressed out at the vets and I am happy he does not have to go now. Blessings
Patti

Can't believe the supplements are still not in!? That's a long wait on those things. Any chance you can get them from somewhere else?

I just got in the Wysong supplements I ordered (through Amazon), and they are really great. It is so nice to put away all my old supplements and have just one that covers everything! I still have to add fish oil... but not adding separate calcium, green food, probiotics, and regular vitamins/minerals is so very nice!

I usually get everything form Amazon and the nutritionist wanted me to use this site. I will switch after this time as I get my Amazon stuff right away. I am getting ready to go to the post office if the mail person does not bring it. Blessings
Patti

Hope the postman delivered the supplements today!!

Good BP!

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly muffin

Hi Everyone:
We woke up to 6 inches of snow on the ground and 12 degree temperatures so Tipper will not be walking again unfortunately for us both. Toby is better I don't know what was wrong with him, but last nite I heard him make a noise like her was going to throw up but didn't. I need to monitor him closely the next few days. Tipper had some muscle tremors last nite around 3 so I did to get up and try to video. We have to go to laser therapy today, so I need to see by 10:am if the roads are clear enough to go or I will cancel. I went to the post office and got the supplements yesterday. As soon as I decide if we are going to therapy or not, I will know when to start cooking her food. I am only giving her small amounts with her regular meal until she gets used to it. I do not want to deal with diarrhea form a diet change. The mouse is back, I do not know how as I patched all the holes, so when I get time today I have to figure this out. I had to take out everything under my sink and Clorox everything. I am getting sick if this little critter, but knowing myself if I come upon him I would probably take him somewhere and set him free, as I do not kill anything. I hope we have some warmer temps and snow as I would like to take the dogs pictures in their snowsuits they look so cute. I heard nothing back from the note I sent my vet about Tipper's breath and how we could safely clean her teeth. He will wait till next week until I call him, he is just such a louse. Blessings
Patti

Patti, sorry to hear Toby still isn't feeling well, I hope it clears up soon!

I never used them but some people on my beagle email lists have, there are services that clean teeth w/o any anesthesia and they do it in your own home. You may want to ask your vet about it.

YAY for the supplements, finally!! I bet you are ready to get started on the diet.

No snow here, but cold and icy. I'd actually welcome some snow instead of all the ice!

If the muscle tremors get bad, you could ask about using methocarbomol. I use this on my pug Ichiro. It is a lifesaver for us. It really helps him to settle and be able to sleep.

Hi everyone:
I just finished my first batch of dog food. Needless to say I am laying down with Tipper! I know why people just buy dog food. This is not easy, and requires cooking many things. I have already started to transition her. We also had laser therapy today, and the roads were not good. We just went slow. I got home and started to get the stuff ready to cook and when I opened the sweet potatoes, they were yams! Dear God I was ready to scream. I had to go back out and find some. Can you believe a produce manager would not know the difference? Well I got them so now I have 10 lbs of yams I do not need. I am sure the food making will get easier. Tipper was in rare form at the laser therapist, she gave the therapist a kiss! She seemed really at ease, and enjoyed her session for once! Well that is all for now, I am beat. Blessings
Patti

Hey Patti - don't worry, you'll find your groove with the cooking! And, I encourage you to cook in large batches and freeze the food. Do you have a kitchen scale yet? You can get one online, or even at walmart, for about $20. Get a digital one. It is so nice! It will save you so much time too. Especially since supplements for dogs are usually based on weight (ounces and pounds), not volume (cups).

Here is how I do the food prep:

First, get a bunch of cheap plastic containers, like gladware, that can hold a days worth of food. Get at least 2 weeks worth (so 7 containers at least). I always do the veggies first. Chop them up, boil or steam. If I am cooking sweet potatoes, I will boil those, and steam other veggies in the microwave. Once they are done cooking, drain them in the sink and let them cool. Then start the meat. I boil the meat. I usually use ground meat, but you can use chunks too.

While the meat is cooking, I will mash up the veggies. Either use a potato masher, or run them through a food processor. It depends on the veggies and potatoes you are using, which method. The pureed veggies are much easier to digest for dogs.

When the meat is done, drain it and rinse it. This removes the extra fat. Then, once it cools a bit, start weighing it out. I start with the container on the scale, set the scale to not count the containers weight, then measure in the meat. My pug gets 7.5 ounces of meat per day. When all the meat is measured out, I go back, and add the veggies on top. She gets 2.5 of veggies per day.

Then, I freeze all but 2 days worth. Each day, I take one container out of the freezer, so it has 24 hours to thaw.

What did you nutritionist say about the yams versus sweet potatoes? I'm interested to know! ;)

First off, I'm glad you finally got the supplements. Boo on the sweet potato screw up though.

You make me tired just thinking about all the cooking you have to do, and I thought I had it rough just cooking up special meat for Keesh.

I'm glad Tipper enjoyed the laser therapy. I just had a rough time keeping Keesh still for the 5 minutes or so that it took.

Just my thoughts on the supplements, and I don't know what all you have to use, but last week I made a stew for us humans. No onions in it or spices. Stewing beef, small chopped potatos, carrots, peas, pretty plain. I simmered it all day. I put a plate down for Keesh before I thickened the sauce and he literally almost inhaled everything. I just might make a huge batch of human stew and get all the good things into him that way.

There is a lot of talk at the therapy swim about bone broth being so good for dogs, so I though the stew broth would be helpful.

Hi Everyone:
I was dead after cooking all that food for Tipper and running all day. I started the transition with her food yesterday. As I sat down to type this today she went into the worst vestibular episode she has had to date. She wanted me to hold her as it must scare her, and she was trying to move in a circle the whole time I held her, she got really keyed up trying to move, it's like they cannot stop this when it starts, and have to move with it. It really scared me this time. We are both ok though. Last nite I could hear gastro noises coming from Tipper most of the nite. She got up at 5am to go potty and it started out well formed then turned to like a pudding consistency. She never goes like that so I know it was the diet. I am in contact with the nutritionist about it. She may have to stay off it today. I only put a small amount with her regular meal. I am exhausted after staying up trying to video her. I had a light right on her and had the IPhone videoing her for 10 minutes. She did not do a thing and I got tired of holding the phone. finally I get it all set up where you can see what is on the video and she does nothing! I swear this dog knows what she is doing! No walking today either it is 15 here. I am taking it easy today and not doing anything I do not have to do. I am beat, I feel 20 years older now. Renee I will research that drug you told me about. Also the yams are a definite no go with the nutritionist. Only sweet potatoes. Blessings
Patti

Nutritional data for yams, -

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/2726/2



Nutritional data for sweet potatoes -

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...roducts/2668/2

Hey Patti: I hope you have a better result with your cooked food for Tipper today. I guess the human food just upset he tummy a little, probably have to go real slow. Everything upset CoCo's stomach, medicine, food, going to the doc, guess they are just liike humans. Have to be on the same routine all the time. I am sure you will get it worked you take such good care of Tipper and all the other babies. Guess the mouse came in out of the cold, we had one too, but set a trap and it is gone, which I hate to kill any of God's creatures, but they do carry diseases. Have a great holiday season with your babies and stay warm. It is cold in Nashville also about 17 today I think. Love, JoAnne

Hey, very interesting on the difference in the nutrient value for the yam vs. sweet potato!! I use them interchangeably most of the time.

Good luck Patti with Tipper's poor belly. It could be the food, or it could be the supplements. Some dogs react to those supplements more than the food. I hope you are able to work it out and keep warm! It's about 10 degrees here right now.

Hi Everyone:
I have a really naughty girl n my hands form no walking. She is trying to dig holes in the carpet, bulldozing Toby's toys, and barking at me like she is annoyed with me. Little does she know this is for her own good. She seems to be hungrier than usual today, don't know maybe had something to do with the food yesterday. She seem to be doing pretty good on 28mg once in the morning. She has not had any hunger fits lately so I think we will let this go for a while and see if she starts up again. I have so many bottles of Trilostane and packs of Vetoryl from changing doses this is ridiculous. I hope we get at her correct dosage soon. Blessings
Patti

i hope tipper feels better now. if you are thinking of selling the vetoryl, i will buy it from you. my dog uses about the same dose as your tipper does. take care of the both of you. gr iris.

Well, if she's being naughty, she's probably feeling pretty good. :D

Hi Everyone:
Tipper has full on diarrhea and I am stopping her new diet that caused all this. I will not be giving her Vetoryl in the morning either. I just gave her some kibble with rice and small amount of chicken. I do not want to jump into meds for the diarrhea before I see if this will help her tonite. This dog has enough problems, I could kick myself for this. Blessings
Patti

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Hi Everyone:
Tipper has full on diarrhea and I am stopping her new diet that caused all this. I will not be giving her Vetoryl in the morning either. I just gave her some kibble with rice and small amount of chicken. I do not want to jump into meds for the diarrhea before I see if this will help her tonite. This dog has enough problems, I could kick myself for this. Blessings
Patti

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After all that work cooking too!!

I am ssoooo sorry to read this. Poor girl. :(

awww Patti, I am so sorry that happened after your high hopes and hard work.

I hope Tipper feels better real soon sweetie.

don't blame yourself, you did the cooking with tippers interest in mind!!! may be the diarrhea has another cause? i hope it will get better soon.

Canned pumpkin helps Daisy a lot when she has diarrhea.

Hi Everyone:
Well is was a really bad nite for Tipper to day the least. I have never seen her so sick. I took her out 22 times to go potty she has the diarrhea so bad. She could hardly take it any more. SHe also threw up twice. That is from just a little of the new diet. the nutritionist prefers you give the new diet all at once, can you imagine what this would have done to her if I had done that. My whole yard is covered in this. It had been 12 hours so she got up screaming for food. I gave her a small portion of rice and chicken. Tipper has never had the diarrhea that I can remember, and to get it like this. I cried all nite, her gastro noises were unbelievable and had to hurt her. I feel terrible causing this on her after she already has enough problems. I spent all my money on this nutruitionist , food and supplements in an effort to help my girl, I feel horrible and have nothing to show for all this. Never mind the work I did as I don't care about that, I would do anything for her. Pumpkin does not help her as she will not eat it, does anyone know what I can use if it starts up. I am trying to keep her hydrated, and will not give Vetoryl or any supplements today. I know some vets use Kaopectate so I do not know how much to use either. My vet is not in today so I am relying on my family here for help. I have never seen my poor Tipper so sick, This is awful. I am exhausted to day the least. Tipper is at my feet resting right now. Poor Toby we had him up all nite too from all the racket. I will never give her this food ever. I am going back to her dog food with chicken I need to get the amounts right to help her lose weight and then a maintenance amount so she does not gain. She has eaten veggies, she has eaten sweet potatoes and all the other stuff in the diet except the buckwheat groats. So they had to be what caused this. Never, nerve again. I though I was doing what I should to help Tipper, I could really kick myself. She is so tired she is snoring now. She got so weak last nite I was ready to call the vet at home. My old adage comes back to me about only trust yourself. Well I am glad I did trust only myself as if I would have given her all this food at once she probably would have ended up in the emergency some where. She does not deserve this she has been such a good companion to me I am still crying thinking about her agony last nite. Blessings
patti

Oh Patti, I am so sorry to hear this but PLEASE don't beat yourself up. You were trying to do the best for Tipper, you had no way of knowing this would happen and you were so WISE to give her just a small amount. I am sure Tipper will rebound from this now that it seems to be out of her system. When my boys had diarrhea for some reason a few years ago our vet gave us FortiFlora probiotic to give them in their food. Prayers Tipper feels much better today! HUGS Patti

Patti !!
I am just reading the other posts after getting Freckles settled. It was so nice of you to post to our thread after your awful night.

Poor Tipper! I have done the same thing for Freckles, trying to give her proper food. I too had such reactions. You know I just stopped all meds and gave her just chicken and rice. Freckles also refuses pumpkin but will eat sweet potatoes, which work the same. Work on keeping her hydrated today. That is most important. No food until at least dinner time and not a lot at once. Plan to give her smaller dinner and then maybe same amount later in the evening. Her insides have to settle down. I put water in the food bowl with the rice and chicken so I know she will get some hydration.
She may beg for food but I would be afraid it would cause more upset tummy. It looks like she emptied out all the disagreeable food, so her tummy needs to rest. I am glad to hear she is resting as she is exhausted as are you. Sleep is always the best thing, so let her sleep. I know when I have been sick like Tipper, I am totally trashed for the day.

Keep us posted on Tipper. Yes, always trust your Mommy instinct. It is always right! That goes for 2 legged and 4 legged kids!

{{{hugs}}}
Louise

Patti you did the BEST for Tipper, you would NEVER of done it if you had known this would happen. You remember we took Teddy off his diet that had been the ONLY one he could have out of 12, and he was SO ILL with the bleeding guts and pancreatitis, and not being able to keep 1 teaspoon of food down, He didn't drink for a week almost, or eat for a week, and we got him better by slowly introducing his old food, like you are going to do, I think sometimes when they are ill, and a lot is going on inside them, they can't always tolerate a change in diet no matter how little we give them, we felt like you we really did, we wished we hadn't changed it, but we, like you did it out of love for our baby, as you did for Tipper. Don't beat yourself up, look at WHY you did it BECAUSE YOU LOVE HER SO MUCH, you would never ever ever do anything to upset her. Much love to you both Diana & Teddy xxx

Oh, Patti, that was truly awful what you both had gone through the night.:( I hope she will get better soon.

Here is what I used do when one of my babies (my children that is) had diarrhea when they were little. In a small pot boil water at least a good few minutes with some rice in it (maybe a couple of table spoons) and make a very dilute ricewater and strain the whole thing through a strainer and just give her the ricewater.
I think you will need to wait some time even giving her any water to calm her stomach down first and then start with a small amount of water (no solid food at all) if she can take it. Little at a time is the main thing I believe. I know she needs water constantly but what good is it if she doesn't keep it down so go slow and try not to get too anxious about getting any kind of food into her stomach any time soon, k?
I don't know if you will try this ricewater but if you do I hope that will work for poor Tiper. I feel so terrible for her.:( Big hugs. Song.

Patti, I am so sorry Tipper became so sick with the new diet. I know how awful you feel, but you were trying to do what is best for her. I wonder if you started too quick rather than a very slow transition? Or it could be that there is just something in the new diet that she is not able to tolerate for whatever reason. Jasper's stomach and GI system has become very sensitive and it seems like anything can upset it very easily. It is always baby steps with any kind of change for him.

I just have a second to post but wanted to say that with the frequency and amount of Tippers diarrhea, and especially since she vomited also, I think she should go for at least a 12 hour period with no food, as long as she is drinking water ok. I agree with Louise that you need to focus on her hydration, and give her gut a rest from food. My own vet has recommended this for Jasper at times when things were really bad, and has said that they can even go for 24 hours without food with no harm, as long as they are drinking. The important thing now is to keep her hydrated and settle things down in her GI tract.

When you do start back with food, it should be a bland diet, chicken/rice or hamburger/rice only, and start in very small amounts. Just make sure she is drinking water. Poor Tipper, I bet you are both exhausted. Hopefully things will settle down for her today. I will check back in later after nursing home rounds. :rolleyes:

Big hugs,
Tina and Jasper

Hi Everyone:
Thank you all for your help and thinking of my Tipper. She is here with me looking out the window and wants out in the snow. WE have 6 inches, and it is really coming down all day now. It is only 28 however so she will not be walking at all, especially after last nite. Well I have given her rice water and rice, small amount of chicken, and slippery elm combined in it. She ate it all and is not showing any signs of distress. She was so hungry. Now we will see if this helps her. I have also given her water via syringe. Toby is worn out too as he was up most of the nite watching us go in and out of the house. It was terrible because I had to stop and put a coat and shoes on and she had to go so bad the one time I just did not even put on a coat and she just made it outside. She would lay beside me and tap me with her paw when she had to go out. I sort of knew by the rumbling of her tummy. I never ever want her to go thru that again. I ran her dog food down as she was going to be eating this new diet and had to hurry and call Amazon and order some. They felt so bad about Tipper they gave me free 2 day shipping. I don't care what anyone says about them monopolizing the market, they have always treated me very well and I have never had a problem if there was something wrong with my order. So monopolize on! It will be here in 2 days so she will eat chicken and rice until then. I think she may have lost the lb she needed to get off last nite, and that is no joke, this poor baby suffered. I am so glad I trusted my instinct and only gave her a little of that food. Thank God for that! I am exhausted so just watching Tipper rest. I may walk her around the yard a few times and get her some fresh air. Blessings
Patti

Just want to make a comment about using beef after an upset tummy.

I had been giving Freckles chicken and rice and all was finally good. She loved it, even with the water I put in it. Then I decided to treat her to boiled hamburger 92% lean. She loved it but threw up dinner within a half an hour. I am not risking that again, even if it was because she ate too fast(typical beagle).

I am sticking to chicken and rice. I have slowly added carrots and a few peas and some apple. I thought that was the problem this morning when it turned out to be Vestibular Disease, but I am going back to just chicken and rice until the nausea is resolved.

She has been taking her daily medicine on a piece of plain rice cake with a dab of organic peanut butter with no tummy problems.

I hope Tipper is doing OK so far today.

Louise

Patti, we were posting at the same time.
So happy to hear that Tipper is much better today.

Louise

Yes I saw that Louise! Thanks for thinking of Tipper. I was looking at Freckles pictures, what a beautiful girl she is.