ok lets keep it locked then. I only saw a weird paw too, I'll go back for another peak.
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ok lets keep it locked then. I only saw a weird paw too, I'll go back for another peak.
hehehe, we did, but the drawer has bad sliders and keeps coming open. I remember there was a round table, you mentioned it before with Zoe. I'll have to find the link to it before we chat next.
You're right it could be from the kidney stones. Man I want that report so I know how big everything is.
Nope, not going to go there this weekend. I am going to go to the pub, make a pitcher of bellinis tomorrow, then hand with friends and play with molly. LOL and of course check in here all the time.
I know Trish, she really is great IMS. She is getting thumbs up from me. I like that she has seen many cush pups too and she said, she always gets the hard cases, the ones who don't react as they should on medicine, or something else. (I rather like that she gets the hard ones, makes me thinks she's been down the road more than a few times and should have some good ideas, I hope).
okay, enough for today on this. These videos are great!
Oh, some friends are meeting us at the pub now. I love long weekends!!! Wish you were all here, I'd round you all up for an evening out.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
I,ll see if I can fix it
I bet her report is really detailed too Sharlene, she seems the type and just the info you have given us is great. I think they really like owners like us that go the extra mile and try and keep up with them and want to hear the reasoning behind things. Mike told me once that I keep him in his toes, good for them too!! I know a lot of people just blindly agree to it all and do not investigate for themselves. I wonder how many type A personalities we have on this board?!:eek: Quite a few I would think!!
Have fun at the pub Sharlene I'm off to bed it's 1am here. Thanks for letting us hijack your thread.
Night night Trish and Addy love to chat
hmmm your 11 hrs behind now, that's weird, thought it was 12. Have a good sleep and rest your weary sledgehammering bones!! :D Nighty nite.. the video still has 21 mins till its downloaded, its a long one! You can see it tomorrow! x
Those bellini cocktails sound divine!! Might have to try some of them sometime soon!!
Here's the link to that roundtable discussion on proteinuria:
Proteinuria and Renal Disease: A Roundtable Discussion
aha, Lori to the rescue, she keeps good records, an organized woman:):)
Trish - those deer that I used to love seeing in my yard when we first moved in to Little House in the Big Woods, carry deer ticks that give dogs and people Lyme disease here in the states, especially in the northern and northeastern states so while they are pretty to look at and admire, I dont want them in my yard.:eek::eek::(:(
Looks like Sharlene is off to the pub. I hope she gets to relax and forget about it all for the night.
Hey Trish, I'll probably say goodnight too. I have to go do all my arm exercises. I have slacked off since I have had this virus.:rolleyes:
Yes, I hope she has a nice relaxing night too! Little House in the Big Woods.. sounds so romantic!! But yes, I can see why you don't want them close by! Venison = novel protein... I guess you cannot go out and shoot them though!
Glad you are doing your arm exercises Addy, so lovely to chat with you guys today, started my day off with a smile! Have a good sleep, and long weekend!! xxxx
Hi Sharlene, Been catching up on posts and sorry to hear about Molly's adrenal gland tumors. I said and feel the same way as you do about Snugs, can't think about surgery when they are acting so happy and healthy and the possibility of them not making it through. I am 100% with you on that.
Your vet sounds wonderful and knowledge and so caring I am so glad for you and Molly you have her.
I hope they get a definite diagnosis soon and if you want the information on the urine test we had done for Snuggles to determine if it is a pheo or not let me know and I will be happy to give you the information.
I will keep you and Molly in my prayers for the best outcome from all of this.
You are a fantastic mom Sharlene! Hugs and kisses to sweet Molly!
nighty night everyone. Thanks for the chat, it helps to just have a good time sometimes and look at dog videos and have a bellini. Lori! you too must try!. I will convert the world to bellini's yet!! hahaha
Thanks for the link. My homework for tomorrow. :)
Everyone sleep well!
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Hi Vicki, we've been trying to figure molly out since 2011 (well the cortisol issue anyhow) and one thing I do know is that there is little point in rushing into anything when you aren't sure.
It is hard to wait and to worry when you wait, but if I can just get past that dang adrenal nodule, then I can handle all the rest of it. hmm, well the protein might be a bit tricky but we'll see what the deal is on that too.
If it comes down to a possible pheo then I might try the test, wish there was a larger study group done on that test, but it is on my list of possible actionable items.
I hope Snuggles tumor has shrunk, that would be excellent.
hugs,
Sharlene and molly muffin
Sharlene:
I say put in in Addy's drawer for a while and close it up. The worrying and researching, and thinking, and planning from all this stuff is enough to make anyone go bonkers once and a while. Blessings
Patti
Sharlene:
The link is up on Tippers thread to see the tremors. This is a mild one, notice the tail and face twitching. It is not long, please watch to the end. Also please read my thread on myoclonic seizures. I am wanting tour opinion. Blessings
Patti
Hi Sharlene
I hope you had a great night at the pub and a good nights sleep and you feel better today!! Bet your head is still whirring away with a million thoughts, any sign of the report?
xxx
Hope you enjoyed the pub and it took your mind of things well for a little while. Enjoy the rest of your weekend :)
Wow Sharlene,
I haven't been here for a few days so just catching up! So sorry I missed what's been going on with Molly. You are always right there on my thread posting when I'm shaking with worry, so I'm sorry to have missed your posts about the meeting with the new IMS and not chimed in with some support for you. I'm here now though and sorry you've had some worries after this big appointment. Glad to read the good news too and there was a lot of it!
Molly really had a thorough going over didn't she?
She sounded like a great vet and gave you a lot of time. So I want to reread everything to see where you are now about what will happen going forward.
It's so hard to imagine Molly getting a positive diagnosis after everything and like you said zero of the outward symptoms. Treating like it's atypical cannot hurt her at all right...the melatonin and lignans are pretty much safe supplements aren't they? A good place to start maybe without any risks?
You know I always like to hear Molly doing her thing at the vet...showing some teeth so they know she's not going to take any nonsense. I hope she's feeling fine tonight. Wish I had more knowledge so I could shed some light but of course I don't, but I know the forum is not short on real experts!
I'm sure this will all work out.. you probably have to make some decisions about treating but you'll have a whole lot of support and input here to get you through!
Barbara
Sharlene,
I'm sorry for the bad news but it is treatable as you know and I can only think that Molly not having outward symptoms is a good thing.
Your IMS sounds perfect and she'll figure this out.
Sharlene, it's the middle of the night and I'm up thinking about Molly. Do you think Dr. B. could help you figure out what's happening with her? He has helped so many of us. Just a thought...
Here's a link to his email just in case you want to give it a shot. Xxxxx
David.Bruyette@VCAHospitals.com
Sharlene:
I hope you have a good weekend and all of you have a blessed Easter.
Patti
Did Molly get a new Easter dress and bonnet? :D
Hi gang.
I did have a great time at the pub with my friends and I basically took yesterday to just regroup, hang with Molly, read a book and nap a lot.
There isn't anything to do till all the test results are back so for now we relax and wait. I think I was in shock with all the different things the other day. Now I just need data.
Molly by the way does react to ACTH tests. No accidents but she drinks more water. Wants more treats especially. Still will leave food in her bowl though. But the main thing is she is non stop energy. Just go go go all the time. She literally seems to bounce all the time. She doesn't normally do that. She plays sometimes and she naps a lot of the time. So she can't have cortisol running through her body at this rate all the time or we would see the typical Cushing symptoms. I can believe though that now with both adrenal glands being bilaterally large that they hold a lot of cortisol in reserve. I bet she feels REAL good the last couple days.
Today we shop for Easter dinner. We decided on a salmon and a Ham.
Here is my hubby's thought..... Hey are there any pink vegetables. We could do all pink food. My response.... BLINK. Huh?
Hugs
Sharlene and Molly muffin
LOL re: the pink Easter dinner!! ;) :p :p :p :p
Warning: Don't read any further if you want to keep the drawer closed through the weekend...!
[But I'm still thinking over my maintenance Lyso idea and kinda liking it if it turns out that hormone-lowering treatment is in order. I'm glad your IMS is paying attention to the proteinuria, because depending on persistence and the assumed cause, it may end up being the deal-breaker. Here's a quote from Dr. Peterson from somewhere (can't find the source):
It still seems to me as though maintenance Lyso might have a lot of pluses and not so many negatives. Just sayin...! ;)]Quote:
I am not a proponent of treating dogs with asymtomatic Cushing's disease, unless they have secondary hypertension or proteinuria.
That drawer is a pesky thing, keeps coming open. I want to find some time to go back over all Molly's urinalysis results and check what the protein has been doing. I remember the IMS on the phone Thursday saying historically it didn't look like molly had been consistent with higher protein, but I'd like to see where the numbers are at on that. It might help to some extent to figure things out. I think the IMS is like the rest of us, just trying to figure out the Molly mystery.
Molly doesn't have a new bonnet and all she wants to do is throw the Easter basket around, don't think she'd be very good at Easter egg hunting either. LOL That reminds me, last year or the year before, hubby decided I needed an Easter Egg hunt, but it was cold and raining outside, so he hid chocolate Easter eggs all over the house and a bunch of us had a hunt. It was a fun surprise to wake up to.
Thanks Marianne,
Sharlene and molly muffin
Hi Sharlene:
You are getting like me, you can't keep that darn drawer shut! I am sure you will get this protein figured out. That is cute about the Easter egg hunt inside, you have a keeper hubby! When you are on the case it will get solved! Blessing
Patti
I just want to wish everyone a wonderful Easter weekend, may all of you and your furbabies and families be safe and happy.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
You as well, Sharlene, I stopped by to wish you and Molly and your family, the very same thing. Sometimes it is hard to keep that dang drawer shut, I know only too well. :o I think you are very wise to wait for all the reports to come in. It is not like you have to rush into a decision.
Hope dinner is more than pink:D:D:D:D:D:D
Happy Easter to you, hubs and off course the Diva Molly x
Ohhh a pink dinner, hmmmm I could think of loads if we could stretch that out to include reds and purples.. close enough?? :D
Whatever you cook will be divine, I always end up with my mouth watering after reading about your celebration meals!! So far, mine is my old standby pork belly and chocolate cake for dessert as per my sisters request. Oh and for the vegetarians, baked stuffed mushrooms. Just have to come up with a few other bits and pieces... I also have a steamed pudding in the freezer that is delish, but actually think cake might be enough with the chocolate eggs we will have on hand!
I will buy Flynn a nice piece of fresh fish. :D
Wishing you and hubs and Molly and all the family a lovely time!! x
I know exactly what your going through Sharlene I spent hours awake searching and researching when Snug was diagnosed with a pheo, I was obsessed. There is so little info on it I kept thinking I am going to find something besides that frightening surgery, but I never did except some clinical trials with some meds that didn't pan out well.
To this day I search for something new, hoping and praying.
But as you know I got myself so run down from stress and not sleeping that I got hit hard with that virus. So please take care of yourself for your sake and Molly's.
I laughed out loud at the pink veggies LOL
Have a Happy Healthy and Safe Easter to you Molly your hubby and entire family!
Ha, I solved the veggie problem, but saying that others are bringing the veggies and is it really fair to require them to be pink? So potential son in law candidate is making his Portuguese potatoes, at hubbies request and the other veggies will be a surprise from someone else, I said, bring whatever you want. Then another couple is bringing dessert. (I have a chocolate cake back up if needed). :)
So I put hubby in charge of the meat and he is doing a full salmon with a ginger cream sauce that he made up one time and it is yummy and then sliced oranges on top of that for presentation. The ham will be cooked with a maple syrup/clove glaze, and then served with a maple syrup, blueberry reduction, he's making that up as he goes I think. He came home with like 4 containers of blueberries today, quite proud of himself. My hubby is a fabulous cook. That he can make a Baked Alaska and a Beef Wellington from scratch was a selling point when I met him. hahahahahaha
I'll be doing some baked bread and a spinach salad with strawberries and cranberries and walnuts, with a berry balsamic dressing. hmm, the stuffed mushrooms sound pretty tasty too. I should have read this before I went grocery shopping.
Molly is having a doggie Easter treat tomorrow. A bit of steak we brought home wrapped in bacon (this was an appetizer) from dinner out tonight.
We did manage to get the deck stained for the year today. I was surprised when the guys showed up to do it, but I am glad it's over with for this year. That means that I can start getting ready to open the pool and get the patio stuff set up now. Molly will have her playground in the back yard again.
Vicki, I have sworn myself to only peeks in the drawer now and then till I get all the reports back. I'm a data kind of girl and need to see the numbers, evaluate how she is doing physically, find out my options and then decide what to do. If ours is just a nodule that isn't growing on the adrenal gland, and not a potential pheo, I won't have to go down that road, but we'll see, and if the sex hormones come back raised, well I'll be discussing the option that Marianne brought up of a maintenance dose of lyso and see what the IMS thinks of that. I know already that she won't do a full load of lyso with Molly because of the lack of symptoms. I think the cortisol causing the adrenal glands to grown, might be what brought that nodule on, but we'll just have to wait and see. Of course the protein comes into play too, so that has to be evaluated. Too much with not enough factual information to make a decision yet. See that pesky drawer slid open again!! I will say that when a pheo was mentioned, my mind went right to Snuggles and Flynn and Annie and I had a ready wealth of information in my head as to possible symptoms and how each have reacted with a pheo. I am not seeing those symptoms either, so again, we'll see how it all goes.
Molly acts just fine, as she always has, and the affects of the ACTH seems to be gone now and her water intake is back to normal. Her energy level is still Very good. She has stopped bouncing off the walls though, so that is kind of good actually. She did sleep through the nights though with no problem, so that was good. She is like me likes sleep time. :)
okay, back to easter fun and games. :)
hugs,
Sharlene and molly muffin
This is what matters above all else and be thankful! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by molly muffin
Happy Easter Sharlene! xxxxx
A hubby that can cook!! And can cook gourmet meals, WOW!!! Your dinner sounds so very yummy, hope you and yours have a wonderful Easter.
Hugs, Lori
Hi Sharlene,
**Edited to say that I just realized the drawer was shut, so don't read my post until you feel like opening it a crack. Sorry Sharlene, this is the first opportunity I have had to post!**
I have read and re-read all of the information from Molly's tests, and for the life of me, I don't understand how it can be determined that she has Cushings with no symptoms or definitive test results. You mentioned in one of your posts that Molly has high cortisol which was confirmed in 2012. Was it confirmed by baseline resting cortisol, or stim test? How elevated was it? And has it been checked since then? Just wondering since that was 2 years ago. I apologize if I missed this information in previous posts. :o
There is a lot of good news in those results, but I am concerned about the adrenal nodule also. I am hoping that when you get the detailed report we will have more information on that and other things too.
I think everyone has had great feedback so far, I wish I had something more I could offer. :o I am curious to see what the UTK panel will show.
As far as the 2+ protein in her urine, you mentioned that she had been up and down with protein before. I know with Jasper, he had been positive for protein a random time or two before it started showing up pretty consistently. And then I don't think the UPC showed a problem until he had 3+ protein. Hopefully Molly's UPC will be ok. Unfortunately I have some experience in this area so may be able to help out some here if need be.
I admire you so much for being able to take a step back, relax some, and wait for the report. I know how hard that is, and I fail miserably when I try it.
Happy Easter to you, Hubs, Molly and the rest of your family. Best of luck with the idea of an all pink Easter meal, your hubby cracks me up. :D
Big hugs,
Tina and Jasper xo
Hi Tina,
Her ACTH 2 years ago was pre 6.23 and post 36.75ug. At that time because the adrenal and liver were only marginally enlarged, and her lymph node was enlarged, then the LDDS came back negative, the thought was that maybe the cortisol was from something else, like the liver. We retested the LDDS and again it came back negative so we monitored the liver enzymes to see how those were doing. They went down for a bit and then lately just went back up. The reason for the latest IMS consult.
I want to see what the actual numbers on the enlargement are currently. The UT panel will show us what the cortisol is now. I expect it frankly to be high since the adrenals are now larger, but still bilaterally enlarged, even with the nodule being seen this time. It wasn't the there on the last ultrasound. So, I want full measurements on that.
okay you have got me motivated to pull out the paperwork to take a look at the protein in her urine.
Oh she just did a funny new thing!! She has her recliner with her doggie blanket on it, that hubs had his briefcase sitting on and she wanted up. So I was talking to her and telling to go lay on the couch by daddy (a word she knows) and she stood up on her back two legs straight and tall and looked over the arm of the chair to see me talking to her. She's never done that before and both me and hubs were just laughing and talking to her and she just kept standing up looking at us. It was too adorable.
okay, I'll be back when I have the protein info. Dang that drawer.
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Sharlene,
Dinner sounds fabulous! Happy Easter!
Molly has such cute ways Sharlene, I bet that was so cute the way she was looking over the arm of the chair.
Oh Sharlene, don't look into the protein info tonight!! That dang drawer, it is possessed and keeps flying open!! :rolleyes: :eek:
hehehe, I know, pesky drawer, bad bad drawer. LOL
Okay, intresting, the first LDDS was actually in May 2010. negative Man time flies, I was thinking it had only been going on since May 2011, but I guess it's been 4 years now, we've been dealing with this mystery. I typo'd the first one.
Anyway, protein in urine and I think I don't have all of them, since she has urine cultures etc, all the time due to those dratted crystals.
So, here is the history and we've never been at +2 before:
april 2014 protein +2 read over phone to me by IMS
dec 2013 no protein fat droplets +2 Bacteria +2
may 2013 protein .3 +1 fat droplet +1 WEB +1 bacterai +1 leukocytes +1
Dec 2012 protein trace bacteria +1
Aug 2012 protein trace (chem strip)
June 2011 no protein (chem strip)
Doesn't seem to tell us much, other than no protein was in urine in December at all. I remember my vet telling me that and that we didn't have to worry about protein, so was a bit surprised to find that I might need to be worrying about protein. However, they throw protein if anything is going on as Addy reminded me. So, is something Else going on. Gads, something else to talk over with the IMS.
*sigh*
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin
Ohhh is there a party going on that I am missing?!?! Going to catch up, but I am suspecting that dang drawer is open!!!!
All caught up..
1. I don't think Molly has a pheo, no symptoms of it anyway!
2. Good no protein just in December and like you said they can throw it from somewhere and Molly was under the weather for a bit not that long ago, Flynn's is usually a 3+ and positivie UPCR.
3. OH YUM, godiva eggs, lucky hubby!
4. OMG your dinner sounds divine, good thinking to share out the vegies too!
x