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Thanks for asking. Today was a hot one here on the West Coast, over 80 degrees. Apollo has been wiped from the heat. Don't know if it is the heat or the cushing, seems more tired then before. Crazy day at work, even though we want out we still have to keep things going until we look into all our options. Not a good time to be in know.
I'm a little inland on the west coast and it was a scorcher today...triple digits at my house with no end in sight for a while. It's not fit for man nor beast out there, which is why all of my beasts are lazing around indoors with a/c.
Yes that is correct :D Each 40 mg capsule contains 8 mg lignans.Quote:
Originally Posted by addy
Good job Addy!
Love and hugs,
Lori
Yes! i have the lignans figured out!!:D
Next question: I have not given Zoe her Heartguard yet and the mosquitos are getting really bad here. Her hair is so thin and her tummy is shaved from the ultra sound.
What is everyone currently doing about heartworm medicine? Since Zoe's Cushings is not yet controlled, I did not know if you could have it but yet getting heartworms can't be good either.
Should I call the IMS and ask her? A little worried about the answer as she seemed not happy I held off on the rabies shot. I mean she did not say it out right but she had "the Look"
Addy
Dear Andy
after reading your post. I would check with the vet about the heart worm.. This year is a lot more humid and there are more mosquitoes. Especially with their weakened immune system, the little guys need more support. We are of the same generation: mini skirts, hip hugger, bell bottoms, platform shoes, pixie cuts, the Toni perm(God did I hate when my mother gave me one, I have wavy hair , I looked like a poodle with blonde hair) ,the Beatles, the Beach Boys, Peyton Place, etc.- If this generation only knew how much they are getting from our generation(HA!HA!):D
Deep down inside, I feel all the vaccines, heart worm and flea medications did not do the little guy well. When he started having black heads and hair loss on the bottom back part of his neck, I thought maybe the flea medication was causing it. Every time I applied the medication, first thing he would do , go outside and try and rub it off. God knows what it was doing to his skin. Not realizing it may have already been the start of cushings. I use Sentry Natural Defense Natural Flea and Tick Squeeze-On . All I know is every time Apollo got the multi vaccines(pharmaceutical companies lump more then one vaccine into one for profit margins) he would be lethargic, throw up . In my own case , I should be on 4 medications if I listen to doctors. 15 years later I never took one and I am still here. It blows my mind why so many of our little guys have cushings disease? I do feel a lot is environmental-foods, medications. Most vets are medication happy. Only in the past few years has there been controversy on all the vaccines( half of which are so unnecessary) I mean really, where was I going to go to contract half of the stuff , Apollo was being vaccinated for. I even had a vet I dropped, say , the medications were okay because , he probably would die of cancer!!! Just think 50 or more years ago , dogs on farms ate what ever their owners ate, and they didn't get vaccinations. If you knew what was in half the pet food, you'd probably be sick to your stomach. I had Apollo on Solid Gold Hundenflax-made in San Diego, Halo and Natural Choice-had to stop all that. I am really being careful in reading labels now. No by products, etc.
Love Sonja and Apollo
I know what you mean. I have always been worried of too many vacinations, and the flea treatments and heartworm. You try to do what the vet says is right and then you end up with Cushings. After the recall in 2007 I became a food freak and read every label. Sometimes I get discouraged, I have friends and neighbors that go to the grocery store, buy whatever food, don't read the label, don't really do much of anything and their dogs are bright eyed and healthy. Here I am freaking out about food and medicines and supplements and Zoe has Cushings and I think Koko may have a partially collapsed trachia. Makes a girl wonder:confused:
I will call IMS later today and get her opinon on the heartworm. The news said with all the rain and heat, the mosquitos will be the worst we've seen in ten years! I worry about giving it to her but I am even more worried about getting heartworm. It is a hard decision.
I thought I had covered all my bases because I had a regular vet and a holistic vet but now I have those 2 vets and the IMS and I still am not happy. I must be difficult:o
Either that or I dream of the perfect vet and that does not exist.
Zoe seems zonked out from one mg of melatonin at night. Or maybe she is just bored, being inside so much with the heat all last week. We did not have many car rides. I don't know what is up but she is not right. A mom always knows.
Addy
Hi There Addy,
Maddie has always been on Sentinel since she was a puppy and it works so well I stopped giving the Advantage after the first spring/summer. I asked the vet if there was any connection with the heartworm medicine and cushings--she said no. I am still giving her the monthly dose and no problems. We live near a wetlands area which Maddie has and is always out there--no fleas--nothing.
I hope this helps!!!
Hi Addy,
I am glad you are asking your IMS about Zoe's heartworm medication, because I think it is always good to check with your vet about questions like this. Your vet is the person who is most familiar with Zoe's specific situation. But I am not aware of any member here whose vet has counseled AGAINST giving heartworm meds, regardless of their dog's Cushing's status.
My personal thought is that the known risks of heartworm are so great that I would not want to expose my dog by withholding the medication. Without protection, I would be a nervous wreck every time I saw a mosquito landing...:o. And I am not aware of any negative interactions between heartworm meds and either Lysodren or trilostane.
Marianne
Thank you all for the input. It is good to know. I do know my holistic vet was not keen on the heartworm meds.
I think I am too worried not to give it and just wanted to make sure it can't hurt Zoe in anyway not having her Cushings controlled yet or because I want to load her next month.
It is good to hear others are using heartworm products. I am hoping she can advise which one she usually gives. Zoe has had Heartguard Plus in the past. Last year there was one month we thought she may have had a diahrrea reaction to it but we can't be sure.
Thank you again for your input, it always helps me :)
Addy
Dear Andy,
quick , Hi will post a little latter.
Hang in there.
Dear Andy
Hope you all are doing okay. Having a senior moment, can't remember if I posted or not. Apollo is doing as well as can be. The weakness in the hind legs is very noticeable. I make him walk a little every day to keep up his strength. Just love the little guy so much.
When they look at you with those soulful eyes, my heart melts and I tell Apollo , we are not giving up and will keep on fighting.
Love Sonja and Apollo
sorry, hit the button twice !!!!
see post below
addy
yup, the eyes do it every time:)
Zoe is going for her heartworm test Saturday am, should have results Monday and start her back on Heartguard Plus at that time. That is what she had been on since I brought her home. I think the loose stool last year was unrelated, but if we see a problem we will switch. I could kick myself for letting that go, every week it is some crisis either with the dogs or someone in my family::( Now I get to worry she has heartworm:eek:
I have upped her to 2 mgs of melatonin in the evening and she is moving slowly and seems like she gets winded faster. It has been very hot and humid so the ac is constantly on so it is quite a transition going outside. This process is so painfully slow with her.
We have not had to use metronidazole for even a maintenance dose for over a week and her poops are very firm. Sometimes I wonder if she is constipated here and there. That would be a NEW problem for us, never had to worry about that one.
I even cut back her probiotic to 3 x a week, once meal per day.
She has had no Shen Calmer for a few weeks now.
What has everyone using melatonin experienced? If she is this slow now what will it be like when she has it durring the day? Do you have to give it twice a day? What if she can't handle 3mgs? Do you have to give 3 mgs? I had hoped it would help her Estradiol. Look how high it was.
Estradiol pg/ml 114.8* 30.8-69.9 102.2* 27.9-69.2
I was going to start the lignans but now have to wait a week for her heartguard dose.
Hoping anyone can shed light on the melatonin.
Thanks as always,
Addy
Hi Addy,Quote:
Originally Posted by addy
Some pups do get lethargic on the melatonin. Some parents stop the melatonin, reduce the dosage or they opt for the implant.
The lignans, according to the UTK treatment option sheet, will help get that elevated estradiol level down:http://www.vet.utk.edu/diagnostic/en...ings201005.pdfQuote:
4) Lignan. Lignan has phytoestrogenic activity, and competes with estradiol for tissue estrogen receptors, with less biological effect. Lignan also inhibits aromatase enzyme (lowers estradiol) and 3-beta HSD enzyme (lowers cortisol).
So happy to hear that Zoe's poops are firmer! ;):D You're doing a great job, Addy!
Love and hugs,
Lori
Hey Addy,
A while back I got concerned about the fact that Squirt was sleeping more than she used to...more than I was comfortable with. So I cut back on her melatonin and she did perk up a bit. Bear in mind, she is an old lady, melatonin or not! :p However, her next UTK panel came back with unsatisfactory numbers so she went back to the full 3 mg/2X/day recommended by Dr. Oliver. :o I had rather her sleep than let those hormones get all out of whack.
Squirt will be 13 this Feb. so maybe I expected too much of her in wanting her to be more active. :o She has her moments when she is full of piss and vinegar, wants to play a minute, and shows her delight or joy over something...and I am happy with these times!
Don't worry over much about Zoe sleeping a bit, especially right now. Her little body may just need some time to adjust. Plus, as Lori said, the lignans are needed to help control the estradiol; it and the melatonin work together to accomplish this. So, right now she isn't getting the full effect of the treatment. Once she is going on both supplements, you may see a change in her behavior and energy level.
Hang in there!
Hugs,
Leslie and the girls - always
dear Andy,
Maybe it is the medicine that makes our little guys more tired. Apollo seems to want to sleep more then before. I am buying a stroller, since Apollo can not walk that far and I get tired carrying home.:( Never thought it would come to this. But if I mention treat, or dinner or breakfast, boy can his energy level go up. They do know how to wrap us around their paws.:D
Addy - I've given both my dogs melatonin for sleeping purposes and it relaxes them and yes they do sleep better with it. I've never given it long term - just when there is a storm outside or firecrackers. :p
Lysodren made my Haley tired until she adjusted to it. Then she was fine.
Hang in there - at least the poop is firm! :);) Kim
My Casey gets melatonin at night when she is restless to help her sleep. I zonks her out and I give her 3 mg for her 40 lb weight. However she does not need it for her cushings as she has Pituitary cushings and not Atypical.
I echo what Lori said with Atypical you need both the lignans and the melatonin to work together - that much I have learned here.
Love and hugs,
Thanks for all the responses. Sorry I did not respond sooner. We had a horrible storm come through Milwaukee Thursday nite and we had no power until late last night. We had 7" of rain in 2 hours and you can't believe the mess:eek:
Thankfully, we fared better than alot of people, I just had to stay up all night running a generator to keep the basement dry. We had no water because of course the well need electricity. The dogs were troupers even though it was hot in the house and I was stressed.
Rabies shot opinions please:
Zoe went for her heartworm test this am. They had to muzzle her again. I wonder if they are doing that more often because she has a rabies vaccine waiver and they want to be extra careful. I don't mind but it stresses her even more. She looked terrified standing on the table with the muzzle on. A soon as she saw it she started shaking. After they took it off, I lifted her down and quickly whipped out chicken and told her what a good girl she had been. She ate it and looked at me with those big beautiful eyes and then after I stopped treating her she went into the corner behind me and hid. Maybe I should buy a muzzle and click and treat and practice with her so she gets used to it.
Could you share experiences with rabies waivers? Should I just give her the shot because she is so reactive? I am not 100% positive she will not bite. It would be more of a hard nip not a serious bite if she did but I suppose she might break alittle skin if she gets stressed enough and does not feel well. It would be a problem for her.
She does not like being picked up we had to really work on that, she's been like that since I brought her home. She was doing better with being picked up because we praticed everyday but since her visit to the IMS and the lengthy ordeal and all the tests, she is not happy about it again.
I wonder if it hurts her? Though she did not want me to touch her paws either when I first brought her home.
I did order the lignans today:D:D:D
Addy
Hi Addy,
Due to Corky's age and medical conditions he will no longer be getting the Rabies shots or any other vaccines. He will be getting a waiver on the Rabies shot. Rabies shots should not be given to dogs that aren't healthy, and Cushings definitely qualifies a dog as not being healthy.
Terri
Thank you for your input. I was worried about Apollo getting any more rabies shots. Now I know no way. I stopped vaccines about over 2 years ago when I read articles on how long they last and how many are not called for.
Dear Andy, it sounds like Zoe was traumatized by this experience. Apollo has never been muzzled at the vet. The only reason to do so would be if she is biting . Doesn't make sense. When ever I introduce Apollo to something new I let him smell and look at it first. I try to be in the room with Apollo and hold him and speak to him. I have put a muzzle on Apollo before to stop him from barking to let him know not to do it when people have come near me in the past in our store. Don't do it anymore , but he didn't resist at the time.
Hi Sonja,
She was fine at the IMS until they took her from me and she must have freaked out, she kept trying to pull to us and they said her behavior was such that they had to muzzle her so she would not bite. She used to give a warning, like snap her head around like she wanted to bite or nip but then I would pet her side and tell her "up" and she would stop acting like that and allow me to pick her up. It took 3 months of practice to reasuure her about "UP." She would not let the vet or technicians touch her after her ultra sound. She was traumatized. When she got home she even threw up and she never throws up. As soon as I took her out of the vet's building and told her "UP" she let me pick her up and continues to do so at home. When we went to the vet's Saturday she did not want to be in the examining room and tried to hide under the bench and did not want me to pick her up, she just freaked. I told her "up" and picked her up and put her on the table and they said they wanted to muzzle her because she did not have a rabies shot.
She has to go to the groomers every eight weeks. I don't want to give her the shot but I also don't want her to be put in quarentine if she bites or nips someone.
I don't know what to do. I am making an appointment with IMS for next week for a follow up. I know they will muzzle her again not that she bit but because they are afraid she will.
I titer rather than give shots now with both dogs but the rabies thing with a reactive dog that has to go out to the groomers and vets, well, I don't have any experience with that. She never had to be muzzled before at either place.
Addy
Hi Addy,
My Crys had to wear a muzzle and I hated it but it was necessary for her. She had to wear one starting pretty young because of Pica - she would eat non-food items. In fact, she got off and ate the first 3 muzzle types we tried! :rolleyes::p
She never did really adjust to them but she did learn to deal with them and not fear them. The one that she couldn't eat was mostly metal with leather straps and made her look like Hannibal Lector. :eek: She had to wear the muzzle at home mostly, until she nipped a kid at the vet's office one day. :eek::(
Crys was timid and the boys couldn't keep their hands off of her and they were rowdy, making her nervous and she nipped. Scared the crap out of me! After that, she was muzzled when we went into the office. She had never offered to bite them but I wasn't prepared to take a chance. On the few occasions that I forgot hers, they would let me put one of theirs on her before the exam. She accepted it better from me than from them and it was less traumatic on her.
Maybe if you asked your vet to let you muzzle Zoe, she wouldn't be so upset. Also, getting one like they use and using it from time to time at home on Zoe might help her learn it could be endured for short times and wouldn't hurt her.
It really broke my heart to have to muzzle Crys, even tho I knew it was the best thing for her at the time. The danger she was putting herself in by eating weird things all the time plus the fear of having her taken from me after she nipped that child made it easier to do, but I still hated it.
So often it seems our babies develop a fear or down-right hate of the vet office when they are diagnosed with a condition like Cushing's. All of a sudden, they are at the vets a lot, especially during the diagnostic phase, being poked, stuck, prodded, spread, and drained frequently...none of it pleasant to remember. We can't explain to them that this is all for them, all to help them feel better, all because we love them. All they know is they DO NOT want to go in there! So we battle the emotions these necessary steps bring and do what we must to make sure our babies are safe and healthy as possible.;)
Hugs,
Leslie and the girls - always
Hi Leslie,
Thank you for answering my question. Zoe tends to be fearful anyway so a bad vet visit will do here in.
I think you have good suggestions and I will get a muzzle and work with her at home so I can put it on. I also will never let them take her from me again if I can help it, I will tell them I have to go along to wherever they are taking her.
I don't mind they muzzle her I just don't want her to be so scared about it because I worry that the stress will skew her tests.
I wonder now if all this reactivity stems from the cortisol. I read it can cause behavior problems.
Do you think if I get her use to the muzzle I won't have to give her a rabies shot? I feel like i am between a rock and a hard place I believe the saying goes:eek::eek:
By the way, did you ever cure the Pica? I have been working hard with my Koko because he tries to eat little stones, sticks, etc when he goes outside or when we walk. I read in Whole Dog Journal to try enzymes, didn't help, then tried Seacure, didn't help. He may be looking at a muzzle as well:(
Addy and the Muzzlers:)
Hi Addy,
So sorry to hear about Zoe's experiences. I know the feeling about letting them take them in the BACK -- what are they doing to them:eek::eek:. I have not heard any remarks they have had problems with Maddie, but I do know she doesn't like to be picked up especially by someone other than us--of course she does weigh in the 65 lb range so not likely someone would just pick her up. I do not know if they put her up on a table to take her blood or maybe just work with her on the floor (I hope this is what they do), but she comes out not really excited to see me; so it must not be so bad. She didn't spend a lot of time at a vet's office before all this joyful :D testing started.
I hope your working with her and the muzzle helps. Dogs sense when we are tense so things happen--doesn't the Dog Whisper talk about the way we hold the leash and the tension goes right down it to the dog--haha!!! If the vet's office help are nervous then it causes Zoe to be nervous and they only know one way to defend themselves--with their mouth--poor thing:(.
Take care!! I love the Addy and the Muzzlers---cute!!!
Hi Marie,
You are so right, if they seem tentative, Zoe senses it. She seems to respond better to the male vets and male techs rather than the female. They seem more self assured with her and then she is fine. Unfortunetly, her IMS is female and I can only find female IMS vets. We don't have many in Milwaukee.:(
I have been following your thread too, thanks for posting and for the positive vibes:)
Dear Andy
So sorry to hear about poor Zoe. I think with all the needles, pocking our poor little angel are being subjected to it is no wonder they are fearful of going to the vet. The last time I was at the IMO, Apollo let out such a scream and the fear in his eyes, tore me apart.
You might try having the muzzle at home, leaving it on the floor for her to sniff, but it on top of her nose, let her smell it, then slowly but it on. If they insist on the muzzle, maybe it should be you who does it and be her own muzzle. Give her a treat before and after if need be. I am going to fight not giving Apollo the rabies shot in September and I also do the titer test. These little guy's immune system is already been compromised by the cushing, with the skin sores, etc. so how are they going to be able to tolerate more shots? Maybe this might help.
love from Sonja and Apollo
p.s I am thinking about water therapy to strengthen Apollo's weak hind leg muscles. My husband suggested just filling up the bathtub and letting Apollo swim in it with my help. Any input from the rest of you?
Hi Addy,
I'm so sorry that poor Zoe is having to suffer through so many vet visits and so much poking and prodding. I do want to offer a bit of a different slant on the rabies vaccination question, though. Once Zoe becomes stabilized with her Cushing's treatment, I am not as certain as some other folks that you would not want to reconsider rabies vaccination, especially since she does appear to have some issues with snapping or biting.
It has been several years now since my own Cushpup was alive and we regularly visited our IMS. But his vaccination policy at that time was "middle-of-the road" and seemed pretty reasonable to me. Vaccinations of any type were withheld for dogs who were actively or acutely ill, and all vaccination protocols were tailored to the age, vaccination history, potential for exposure, and the lifestyle of any individual dog. But since my own Cushpup was relatively young and very active outdoors in areas frequented by dogs and other wildlife, once he was stabilized on trilostane, our vet did not discourage us from vaccinating for specific illnesses for which he was most at risk.
From some experiences of my own with human organ transplant patients, I've been told that people who are chronically immunosuppressed may actually be more aggressively targeted to received certain vaccinations because they are even more at risk to develop these illnesses than the general population. Of course, there are many individual factors to consider, including timing and stability of treatment. Also, vaccines based on killed viruses may be acceptable for immunosuppressed patients whereas vaccines that use live virus may never be OK, or can only be used in certain situations.
I know that humans are not dogs, but these same principles make sense to me. And that is why I personally do not feel comfortable with extreme positions on either end: that all dogs should be given every type of vaccine available, or that no dog who has ever been diagnosed with a medical condition should ever receive a vaccine of any kind. For my own dog, I would want to weigh the relative risks and benefits of any specific vaccine or disease.
I do believe that canine rabies vaccine is readily available in the form of killed virus. And in many states, vets are now able to offer it in the form of three-year protection in order to keep from having to be given annually. So if your own vet does not think there is any reason why Zoe would not be a vaccination candidate once her Cushing's is under control -- you might want to revisit the question, both to potentially increase her own level of protection and also to minimize the concerns that others might have about handling her.
Marianne
Thank you Marianne,
I did not know you could get rabies vacine killed virus. I thought it was always live. That is good to know. I will look into that.
I understand your explanation. I have to weigh the risks of her biting someone and being put in quarantine verses how sick will the vacine make her.
She really is so very sweet and tries so hard for me. I feel so badly she is so scared and thinks she has to use her mouth in those situations. I had worked so very hard for these 3 years I have shared my life with her to build her confidence and make her less fearful. It is hard to see her take a step backward, we have worked so hard and come so far from those first days she came to her forever home.
Aw darn, now I'm crying thinking about it. I sure wish I wasn't such a sentimental sap:mad:
Anyway, thanks for your input, it is good to hear and consider:)
Addy
Hi Addy,
I once had an older Lhasa (Bailee, pics in my album) that our vet named the "piranha Lhasa" :p He was a foster that I kept because he was a fierce biter. We knew we would never be able to find him a home. :( So he spent his retirement years with us. Between the vet and I we always managed to handle him without a muzzle. The vet techs would let me hold him while the vet or vet tech's had to do their job. She was a great and compassionate vet and she trusted that I would hold him well enough to keep him from biting her.
Grooming him was my biggest challenge, and yes I did get bit a few times. I would sweat bullets when I knew I had to clean his eyes and face.:p Maybe your vet would let you hold Zoe while they do what they need to do.
Hi Addy,
I'm so sorry that Zoe is so afraid of going to the vet's. Corky has gotten worse with every visit. He doesn't try to bite anyone, but he shakes and pants very badly. Our furbabies have definitely been poked and prodded so much and have had different machines used to check things. They have no idea what's going on.
I hope Addy will be able to settle down and not be so afraid.
Hugs,
Terri and Corky
Hi again, Addie.Quote:
Originally Posted by addy
I just wanted to clarify that I don't think the only risk that you have to consider is whether or not Zoe will bite someone and thus be put into guarantine. But also Zoe's own risk of contracting rabies should she come into contact with an infected animal. Since you are guessing that she is only five years old, she may or may not have lifetime immunity from any previous rabies vaccination. Even though canine-specific rabies has recently been eradicated in the U.S., unvaccinated dogs can still contract rabies from other infected wildlife. So depending upon Zoe's lifestyle and the prevalence of rabies among animals in your area such as raccoons, foxes, and bats -- the possibility remains that she coud still be exposed. If she remains primarily a house dog with little risk of exposure, this may be a moot point. But if not, for her own safety, you may still want to consider revaccination at some point in the future.
Here's a quote from the Veterinary Merck Manual that underscores the continuing danger for dogs whose lifestyle and geographics put them at risk:
MarianneQuote:
Where terrestrial wildlife or bat rabies is known to occur, any animal bitten or otherwise exposed by a wild, carnivorous mammal (or a bat) not available for testing should be regarded as having been exposed to rabies. The NASPHV [National Association of State Public Health Veterinarians] recommends that any unvaccinated dog, cat, or ferret exposed to rabies be euthanized immediately. If the owner is unwilling to do this, the animal should be placed in strict isolation (ie, no human or animal contact) for 6 mo and vaccinated against rabies 1 mo before release. If an exposed animal is currently vaccinated, it should be revaccinated immediately and closely observed for 45 days.
Zoe is mainly a house dog and is not allowed outside unless we are with her and then she is leashed. I suppose there is a remote possibility she could come in contact with a rabid aninmal, but not a great one at this time. We estimate Zoe to be eight years old at this time. We think her first owner had her for about four years and that she had all vacinations. We do not know what happened to that first owner but Zoe went to another home which is where she got in trouble and confiscated by animal control. That is if we can be sure of this story, who knows:(
The rabies vacaination is something I need to sort out and I am always happy to hear others opinions and suggestions, so thank you:):):)
Addy
New problem:
Zoe is constipated. I had thought all week her poops looked smaller and dry and I thought she might have a minor impaction. They did not look right to me but then she would go and they seemed better. Last night she had a rather larger stool followed my a small one with mucus on it. I thought she may be clearing out.
Well, last night she went in the den and never woke us up this am. She did not do anything normal but begged to go outside. I would take her out and she would strain to poop to no avail. Liquid drops came out of her. After an hour of this I put her in the car and headed for the emergency room because I had no way to again take off work and did not know when I could get her in to her regular vet.
Her exam was "unremarkable" and attending vet said she thought she might be having spasms at the start of diahrrea. I kept insisting I thought she was constipated. They took an exray and sure enough, stool backed up inside. I don't remeber how far, but pretty far. I asked if there was an obstruction, she said no. I hope she is right.
I know it was those darn six hamburger buns. Everyone kept telling me no way but she is NEVER constipated. What else would it be? Unless the melatonin caused it.
So now she is home resting with a laxative medicine that will hopefully work in 24 hours they thought. Otherwise she has to go back and be put out and given an enema.:mad::o:(
Well, our crisis for the week. Any suggestions would be welcome.
Hey we had a male tech who handled her very well and she put the muzzle on just fine and they said she was a good girl :)
Addy
I hope the laxative helps Addy.
Terri
Hi Addy,
I loved that Maddie's thread was hijacked :D:D
Maddie hasn't been constipated before --it looks like it now, but it is just the food she is getting and it makes her really work to poop. Sometimes it is drier than other times; I think it is more than she use to have and not as regular timing as in the past. I can't believe how much we talk about poop. :D:D
I hope Zoe is feeling better and you are too!!!
Andy
Sorry to hear about Zoe. Wish I had some suggestions. But maybe a laxative is the best options. Never a dull moment with these guys. I am still dealing with the lump in Apollo's tail. When does it get easier, we all could use a rest. I am also concerned about giving Apollo another rabies shot, know that he has cushings. He is an indoor dog and is with me all the time. I just don't think I want to give him one.
Hope you got to enjoy your weekend some. Will be praying for you and Zoe.
Hi Addy,
How is Zoe this morning? The constipation any better? If not, you might try some plain pumpkin (if you can find any!). NOT the kind for pies with the spices and sugar in it, but just plain pumpkin.
I am not sure about the feed you are using, but sometimes those prepared raw diets don't have enough fiber which can result in constipation. Some other options to add a bit of fiber would be well-cooked brown rice, quinoa, butternut or acorn squash, cabbage, apple, green beans, lettuce, or even a little bit of Metamucil. The fruits and veggies should be fresh, not canned to avoid sugars, additives and to provide optimal benefit. Just use small amounts until you see results - don't overload her system or you may have the opposite situation! :eek::D
Hugs,
Leslie and the girls - always
Hi! Here is one option for the pumpkin -- I have never used it for my pets but know others who have used it with good results. I have seen it for sale on Amazon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirt's Mom
http://fruitablespetfood.com/fruitab...upplement.html
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for checking on us. I had a nice stash of cans of pumpkin in the pantry and we have been using it along with the laxative. Seems to have done the trick. Today I will cut back on the pumpkin and the laxative, weaning her off the laxative for a few days. I stopped the melatonin for a few days now.
Last night she pooped like a great dane and seemed very pleased with her self.:) What a relief. For a dog with chronic diahrrea, this was mind blowing:o She seems to feel alot better.
Her lignans came so we will restart the melatonin with the lignans as soon as we are weaned off the laxative and I guess wait to see what that brings.
I might not have to keep using the pumpkin once she has the lignans. I always kept the pumpkin around for her diahrrea. Funny to use it now for constipation!!!!!! How do you go from one extreme to the other???????????????
They sure do keep us on our toes, don't they? But it is hard on the pocket book:(
We see the IMS in a week.
One of Zoe's vets once said to me "Do you every have a dull moment in your life?" One of the dogs had been in to see him almost on a weekly basis for something.
"No, not really", was my answer:)
Addy