Flynn 11 y/o Foxie Cross - Right adrenalectomy- Good Bye Flynny We will miss you

I hope little Cooper is ok. I know just how your friend feels to find such comfort in her babies in the face of such sorrow. Please let her know we are thinking of and praying for her and Cooper.

Hi Trish,
Thanks for babysitting me last night. :) How is Cooper doing this morning? Big hugs,
Kathy

oh dear. How is Cooper this morning? I hope things sorted out and he didn't have to go to the vet over night. That is so scary :(


sharlene

Just checking in to see how Flynn and Cooper are and you too.

Hope everything is ok

Me and Flynny good, he still sore in mouth but ate his meat, declined his biscuits. I woke early so gave him some SEB directly onto ulcers via syringe. He does not like it. Best I can do with that is one early dose and then will do it again tonight couple of hours after evening pills. I have emailed vet so will see what he says.

I have txt Coopers Mum, she said he seems much better just very tired and sleeping a lot. He has done a poop, she was waiting for him to wake again to give him food. She is taking him to her vet this morning for a checkup. It was very weird how fast he went from good to feeling absolutely yuck so hope there is nothing more than a puppy overdoing it with excitement playing with his idol Flynn!! :D Will let you know what the vet says.

Righto off to work I go... xxxx

They never like what's good for them hopefully you have got enough in to give him a bit of help while you wait on your vet which won't be long cause he's better than most ;)

Awesome to hear Cooper is doing better.

I got sunburnt today even with factor 50 not cool! Couldn't have put enough on!

Have a great day at work.

Bug hug, bum scratches to Flynn

Mel
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Yuck!!! :eek: Flinny has taste. That's why he doesn't like the SEB. Buddy doesn't like it either. That's why I have to mix it in a little canned food.You pretty much need the syringe for the mouthful ulcers though. Squirting it in through clamped dog teeth is just par for the course, I guess. It isn't even one of the strangest things to we've had to do! Checking poops at night with flashlights to look for worms is fun too.:D I hope your vet has some ideas to help with Flynny's sore mouth. Poor little guy.:o
Has Cooper had all of his puppy shots? It sounds like he could've picked up one of those nasty bugs. I am so glad that his mom is taking him into the vet today. Please keep us posted on how he's doing. XXXXXXX
Kathy

PS... Are you stopping by the restaurant to pick up a few more syringes on your way home? LOL

Hi everyone

Cooper has had a checkup at his vet, nothing out of the ordinary today. I was just talking to his Mum and she said he has been tired but back to playing with his toys with no ill effects, eating, peeing and pooping fine. So its a bit of a mystery what happened last night. He went all funny after he had been outside for a little while and came running in flat out, sat by his Mum and would not move. Almost like something gave him a big fright?!? Anyway he is all good today, I read her all your messages and she was very touched and said to say thank you for all your good wishes and prayers. Cooper is booked in for his neutering this Friday :eek::eek: and his vet is happy for that to proceed.

Now on to Flynny! Vet emailed back today and wants to see him, the ulcers are a bit of a mystery to him, he said:

"Re the ulcers. Can you describe where they are? What does the surgery site look like? We could not ascertain a cause from the histo. Bloods to date show no evidence of immuno-suppression but yes it must be a while since we have done a CBC.

DDx of oral ulcers = uraemia, diabetes mellitus, trauma. None of these apply with labs to date!!! Also most systemic diseases will produce multiple ulcers rather than these isolated ones. We must be due to check his BP soon so that would be a good opportunity to check his mouth and also run liver bloods (which also checks renal function and glucose) and CBC."

So there we are, he is booked in for Thursday for the checkup. But he has had another good day apart from putting off eating his biscuits till he gets real hungry. I told him I was using the SEB and he did not actually mention that so I will keep it going directly onto the ulcers for now.

Thanks for all your concern about wee Cooper and Flynn, you are all so very special to us :D :D xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hmmm I have a new theory on these ulcers, I just emailed our vet as below, what do you think??
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Thanks for your email Mike.

I will bring him Thursday, good day for me too.

I have been thinking about these ulcers and I have a new theory!! He is allergic to his toys or maybe something else environmental, kind of like a latex allergy in people..... he rips his toys apart with great enthusiasm, gnaws them in this molars where the toy would come into contact with area that is ulcerated, rips out all the fluff and spits it around. If he had an allergy to his toys it could cause contact ulcers in that area especially if some of that fluff got stuck back there? Other symptoms that makes me think it might be allergy:

• Itchy snout which he rubs on floor ALL the time
• Skin itchy he is driving us crazy always wanting his back scratched at the moment and backing into us so we will do it! His skin seems ok other than itchy. I have showered him in Sebazole a couple times over the last month. He does not have fleas, not that I can see anyway. He is up to date with frontline.
• If he had an allergy like that which has quite possibly been very long term, could it would cause the gut problems/IBD??
• Hanging his head alot, lip licking like something is bothering him in there - I don't think those last two are nausea as he always eats well and has not lost weight. He has done it for years.
• Occasional wheezy cough (sounds a bit like a stridour or kennel cough which he had a mild case of once years ago, sort of choking kind of sound) very infrequent, maybe days apart

These mouth ulcers are not new having been there at least a year when Rebecca saw them and in the same place at the back of his mouth, between his teeth and tongue. I suspect they could have been there longer now thinking about these symptoms. I would think if the cause was something systemic it would have declared itself by now, like renal failure, diabetes as you mentioned. So I am going to trial banning his toys and see if that helps. Flynn is not going to be happy with this new development!!

His tummy is so good now, almost cannot remember the last real mucousy poop (touch wood). Seems to have settled a lot since we gave him Drontal, how often do we give that??

Remember you gave him that Loratidine a month or two back as he was scratching a lot then. It settled down with that. I have 3 days worth left so I will give him those till we see you Thursday.

Plan

1. Loratidine for 3 days till review by you Thursday - can you do allergy testing for toy fluff??
2. Ban toys
3. Pick up Benzapril and Amlodipine Thurs, have just enough till then (have 16 losec left, so thats enough for month, he having one every 2-3 days). He is still having 12.5mg Tramadol BD
4. BP check
5. Urine UPC check
6. Bloods: renal, liver, glucose, CBC
7. Toenail clip please
8. He is due his Pentosan
9. Review chest for cough, check if Massey did CXR
10. Continue putting slippery elm bark paste on the ulcers twice a day

Gawd, I hope you do not have too many patients like us!!! Thanks so much for all your help!

Cheers
Trish

Hi Trish,

So glad to hear that Cooper is back to normal and the vet has cleared him of anything physically wrong. His mum just doesn't need anything to be wrong with Cooper that's for sure. So, yea, he could have gotten scared. Puppies can even freak themselves out sometimes. LOL Good to know his safe place is right beside his mum though.

Interesting theory regarding Flynn's ulcers and in light of nothing being systematicly wrong, a very good possibility. Now the key will be to figuring out what it is that he might be having a reaction to. The outside or the inside of the toys. You could try removing anything plastic latex and sticking to different materials for a time and see which ones seem to be bothering him. Well, at least it's nothing serious like renal, etc if it's an allergy. Allergies can be controlled, not easily maybe but better than the other options.

Hope your presentation goes well today!
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Hi Trish,
Great job on the vet's email, very thorough! There is definitely some interesting theory going on there.:) I am somewhat concerned about number two on your plan. BAN TOYS! What are you thinking woman? LOL;):D It's bad enough that you're squirting gruel in through a clenched teeth, now no toys!!! I hope you're putting a little extra aside for the doggie shrink! :D. All kidding aside, I really hope that you're able to get a handle on Flynny's mouth ulcers.

So thrilled that Cooper is back to his playful, puppy self! He'd better rest up if he's going to be losing his jewels this week!:eek::eek: I can think of a few young men that could use that procedure too!LOL :D

I hope all that technical jargon went without a hitch today!xxxxxx
Kathy

Just popping in to say i hope you are having a great day and that you get a response to your mail.

Harsh on Flynn sloppy gloopy stuff and now no toys, you may have a revolt on your hands!

Never heard of a dog being allergic to toys but I never knew they could have as many allergies till Kathy mentioned poor buddy's list!

Am sure your awesome vet will help you get to the bottom of it, you sorted out his belly so keep the faith :D

Hope your meeting and presentation went well, catch you in the morning, off to town tomorrow but will check in first thing

Mel
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Trish,
I think your thoughts on possible allergic reaction make a lot of sense and maybe taking the toys away would give you an answer though Flynn may revolt!
Have you tried just doing a baking soda/water rinse in Flynns's mouth?
I know dogs can get sick from hydrogen peroxide if they ingest it, but all the human treatments for mouth sores have it as the main ingredient and it definitely soothes canker sores...maybe a q-tip with a bit of hydrogen peroxide diluted with some water would be another thing you could try on the sores, if you can get into his mouth that is.
Is there a possibility that the mouth sores could be a bacterial infection of some sort?
Have you already tried an antibiotic already? Would it be worth a try if they don't go away soon?
Just trying to come up with some ideas.
Barbara

Off topic- do you have penguins in New Zealand? The morning news I watch off and on while I put Zoe's eye drops in- I have to wait a minimum of five minutes between drops- always shows a commercial for a heart drug and the "patient" is feeling so great on his new heart medicine he takes his wife to New Zealand. It then shows the couple walking in "New Zealand" and the next shots show penguins. I could google it, I guess, but thought it more fun to come directly to the source.:)

How is Flynn's mouth doing? Poor boy, mouth sores, no toys but HAPPY 7th month anniversary Flynn:):):)

We are having a rain day. It does not want to stop and the big fireworks display is scheduled at our Lakefront tonight to celebrate the Fourth of July. Looks like a wash out:(:(:( My week off and I only got in one pool day:(:rolleyes: Summer in Wisconsin:rolleyes::rolleyes:

HI Addy, we do have penguins... mainly the little ones though. We occasionally get one wash up that has been blown off course in the Southern Ocean. There was a dead one here on the beach many years back, boy Flynn rolled and rolled in it. Dead penguin is not a very nice smell. I buried it, darn dogs dug it up. I finally put one of his empty poop bags over my hand picked up the carcass and put it in a bin. What a stench. So there you, while they are not trotting along the beaches they are about :D:D There is a documentary show running at the moment on penguins, they are pretty cute!

Flynn is doing OK, still sore mouth but a bit better, maybe that SEB is working! His vet appointment has been put off until next Tuesday now, so will post results when I get them! Thanks for the tips Barbara, it is so hard to even get a good view of these ulcers that I doubt I would get anything in there directly on them, persevering with the SEB for now as that is not toxic if I miss with the syringe!! Will see what vet says about topical applications when I see him next week :) He has walked past his toy box a couple of times sadly looking at its emptiness :( Poor boy, thinks someone stole them all!

Poor Flynn.. we had to take all of Pearl's toys away too. She won't stop trying to go nuts with her ACL all messed up.
They just don't understand... In fact Boriss has been getting in trouble trying to make her play. Sad times at our house.. :D:(:p

I hope Flynn gets relief soon. I know it can't feel good.

Awww poor Flynn, no toys. :(
Hope the mouth starts heal though. That would be worth it. :)
ugh, carcass petrol too! That just sound yucky, but better than Flynn rolling in it I'm sure LOL

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Happy seven month anniversary Flynny boy!! Great job mom! Love ya Trish XXXXXXX

No toys? Well, I hope that Flynn recovers quickly so that he can have them back. Daisy would run away from home if I took away her toys.

Hopefully you'll get some answers soon. Allergies are tough to pinpoint.

Feel better Flynn!

7 Months! My how time flies. Congratulations on a fantastic recovery. :)

hugs,
sharlene and molly muffin

Trish, a BIG congratulations on the 7 month anniversary of Flynn's surgery. What a milestone for our boy!!! I sure hope his mouth is healing since he has to suffer through no toys. I was chuckling at the story of trying to pill your Mum's cat, I could just picture it all, but so glad you didn't get scratched or bit. Cat bites can be awful. And glad that Flynn stole her fish, serves her right for taking a swipe at him!! :D :D.

Hugs from me and Jasper, and an extra smooch and belly rub for Flynn.

The cat pill story was hilarious! I needed a laugh!:D I could just see you battling with that cat.;) Have you tried one of those pills shooters? It's like a syringe, but doesn't have a needle at the end. You stick it far back in their throat and then you shoot the pill in. Choking is still a possibility if the pill is large I suppose. Do they have any kind of "pill pockets" for cats. Buddy loved taking his pills with those. He thought he was getting a treat. Thank you for being there last night.xxxxx

Morning

Missed you last night(your time) I woke later this morning and work is becoming very difficult, I have too much on my to do list!

How you both doing today? Happy Friday :D

Mel
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Ps congratulations on 7 mth surgery anniversary. Amazing how quick time flies

Trish
Congrats on Flynn's 7 month anniversary!!!Big hug to you both
Love,
Patty

Hey
What's this about a trip to New Zealand to visit you and Flynn??I want in!!!!.Can you hold the curry though?:D:D.Hope all is well and you are enjoying your weekend.I just woke up from the night shift a bit groggy and am enjoying my "morning" coffee!Hugs to you and Flynn.
Love,
Patty

Haha Patty, Yep, your in for the visit!! Come along, I would so LOVE to meet you :D Ohhhhh everyone, you can all come!! Wooooo K9C reunion in NZ!!!! Wouldn't that be fantastic, Flynn would be so spoiled by all his Aunties and Uncles :D:D:D

Why do you do night duty all the time, that messes with my system and I have not done it for 15years and was very glad to see the back of it!!

I am up having my morning green tea but probably a very different time of the day, 9.30am Saturday morning here!! I am furiously doing the laundry as it is a nice sunny windy day so it will dry very quickly on the line. I want Flynn's blankies all done and he has 3 couch blankets including my throws which he has claimed! 2 bed blankets, 2 red pads, 1 bed cushiony thing plus his actual bed... that will take about 3 loads!!

He is still a bit itchy and I have found a hot spot on his flank that I have put Neotopic on (that's a steroid, anti inflammatory, anti itch cream). When I showered him a couple of nights back I saw a flea wash off him :eek::eek: So he has been Frontlined and I want to get the whole house vacuumed and hopefully no more of the little blighters will survive. :eek::eek:Eek fleas in the house, that might put Kathy off coming to visit me hahahaha :D:D Truly, it was just one Kathy!!

But he is still itchy despite being on the antihistamine for 5 days now so it must be due to the flea bite. He does tend towards a small allergic reaction with them so hopefully it will settle down now!! I wish everyones problems on here were so small.

Otherwise he is good, he crunched up his biscuits this morning so that makes me think his mouth is better. His one remaining toy in his toy box is a Kong that you can fill, so put more biccies in there and he had a little game with it. I will call into the pet store today I would like to get some more safer toys for him as I feel like I am depriving him but he has not really gone looking for his toys too much surprisingly. He loves rolling that Kong around and getting his prize so something that makes him think would be a good thing for Flynnikin :D:D

Addy - if you read this can you or anyone else for that matter give me some advice on continuing his probiotic. Do you leave Zoe on it all the time. I now only give him 1/4 tsp each night, together with 1/4 tsp of Metamucil for a bit of added fibre. His poops have been good for about a month!! It's a miracle!! I wonder if I should keep the probiotic going or stop it and see how he does. I kinda think if its not broke don't fix it, but maybe I should keep it on hold while he is good? What do you think?

His vet appointment is now next Tuesday so I can run that past his vet as well. I love WEEKENDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you all for checking in on us!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hi Trish,
It sounds like Flynny has flea allergy dermatitis. Buddy picked up a couple of fleas at the vet one time. He scratched his skin raw for weeks and weeks! It is something about the flea saliva that irritates them. No, a few fleas here and there are not going to scare me off. I did check into more flights today and there are flights going out of San Diego also. They cost more, but I'd have to pay more anyway if I had to fly to LA first. Booking one out of San Diego would be much better. Still dreaming. I might look into seeing what's involved to get a passport and see how long it takes to process. I'm glad to hear that Flynny's mouth seems to be doing better.:) Are you going to continue to give him the SEB? We'll chat later Xxxxxxxxxx

I think your right about the flea allergy dermatitis, it is only in one spot so hopefully will clear up quickly. In his younger years he had Prednisone when these flared up, but really trying to avoid that even though the cream has a small amount in it. I am still putting the SEB on his ulcer area twice a day will have to cook some more fresh today. When I see my friend later this arvo I am going to have another good look in there with the torch so I can see what is going on, it is too hard on my own and I hate distressing him trying to hold him while I have a look.

That's good flights go direct from San Diego :D when you got here it would be another 1 hr flight from Auckland to where I am in Napier as well. You would love it here today, clear blue skies, warm, fresh breeze though. Perfect for a walk later on! HAVE YOU FOUND YOUR PURSE??

hi there trish just a pass thru to say hi and to let you know how delighted i am to see flynn is still well besides.the bites,just a miracle.i am giggling at all the fun posts you ladies have posted =such a nice refreshing fun filled page to read.sending all here many xoxox....we are up the mountains trying to stay cool for a few days with our meka.......always patty(milo)meka xoxox :) <3

Trish,
No such thing as just one:D(fleas that is).Both Grace and Fella were infested last year-don't know how since they were on Frontline but what a job to get rid of them!!Grace is prone to hotspots and they can get out of control very quckly.They were weepy and the only thing that used to dry them out was salt water.I used to scoop up a bucket of ocean water and pour it on the spot.It seemed to dry it out and heal it quicker.

Actually,I don't mind the night shift.I left the floors for awhile to do the mon to fri thing in case mgmt for a few years but it ended up to be a 2hr commute in rush hour each way just to get to work.I just recently went back to the floors since I missed doing the 3 12hr shifts.Its a nice break to be away from all the top brass on days as they can be a little uptight.The night shift crew tends to be a little more laid back.

And btw,I just got my new passport in the mail.:)I had renewed it because I was to go to the virgin islands in may but cancelled when Fella got sick.Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a K9 Cushings trip one day!!We could travel around the world since we have members all throughout US,Canada,UK and NZ/Australia!

Enjoy your weekend-we are going into our 3rd week of temps in the 90's and humid...uggggghhh!!And we just lost power in my town so no AC!We are all dying here.I think Romeo is the only one who prob doesn't mind since he is a Georgia baby who is used to this heat!:).

Have a great weekend and hope you find some good toys for Flynn!
Love,
Patty

Hello Patty1 and Patty2!!! Haha we have lots of Patty's here. I could be a Patty as I am really a Patricia, but have had Trish for a long time now... I get Tricia from Mum and Dad!!

Nice of you both to pop in, I am in the midst of housework and keeping an eye on the forum.

Yes Patty2 I do think there are usually more than one flea! Hopefully I washed them all off in his shower, unless they all ran up to his head as I do not wash his little head :D OK your good to go with your passport!! So come on over, I make it sound like a hop skip and a jump, but it is actually a 12 hr flight just from California!! Wouldn't it be fun though to get together some day, might be easier for me to come up to you guys though!! I agree the stress levels are usually less on night duty, unless something goes wrong and then there are not so many about to get help. I do like the idea of x3 12 hr shifts though, then 4 days off! Glad you like the nights :)

Patty1 - sure like the sound of a break in the mountains, sounds nice and cool and more comfortable than where Patty2 is with no a/c!!!! Have lovely weekend with hubby and Meka!! :)

Am not all packed. Just finished work :eek:

I had a site go down last night worst thing that can happen didn't get resolved till this afternoon and it created a lot of work

I have just sent my last email (I think!) and I have a bath run.

Am a bit peeved as its been such a shocker and Boycie daddy is not helping, there was a pile of washing up and he did his plate and went to bed. You couldn't make it up!

I will defo take pictures, will check in if I can

Mel
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Mel,
Cutting in on Trish's page but saw you were up and about posting.Since we all seem to be in the travelling mode,maybe Boyce's daddy can stay home and we will all join you!!:eek::eek:.Have a great vacation and I will miss you so much!!
Love,
Patty

Go tip the plates on him in bed, that might make him see the error of his ways!!! Honestly sometimes people do not notice mess do they!!

I am tempted to leave him behind! Patty, nice to see you real time feels like ages since we three have been on together :D

I could have battered him, it's 1 here he went to bed about 11 and left me working and knowing packing needed doing. I have finished work but no packing

Yes it is nice to have us all on at the same time, these things go in cycles don't they!! Especially with all of us in such different time zones :D

Don't you dare pack anything for him!! Yes we should all go haha although I just had my leftover curry for lunch and I don't think anyone would want to be in a confined space travelling with me for a day or so :D:D

Defo not me. I don't do smells. That is why I keep him around to pick up accidents :eek:

Pleased to hear he has his uses!!!!!

7 months post surgery for Flynn and he is doing great! Hurray for the fantastic recovery!! What a happy outcome!!
I read you're tempting Kathy with a trip to NZ and sweetening the deal with curry!! Yum...love curry...I love to make shrimp curry with all the trimmings...raita, chutney and now my gourmet market (just steps from my front door!) is selling naan bread in a package and turns out that it's really pretty good! I got a great curry powder mix at a spice store..rather on the sweet side, which I like and just nicely spicy, it's really good. Pretty authentic Indian right at home though we have a many favorite Indian restaurants in the city. Now I just may have to have some tomorrow...writing about it has gotten me in the mood!! :p
Hope Flynns' mouth is healing up...sounds like it's much better.
Have a great weekend!
Barbara

New photo alert, one especially for you Kathy :D