Flynn 11 y/o Foxie Cross - Right adrenalectomy- Good Bye Flynny We will miss you

Hi everyone and thanks for your posts to get Flynny eating!!

He has been ok at Mum and Dads today, enjoyed his walk and behaved up the beach! He has eaten and seems hungry tonight was waiting impatiently for me to get his dinner ready. But I have a new theory :D I mixed his venison with some of his old and favoured biscuits tonight and he was chewing funny like his mouth was sore. He would pick out a bit of food and I had mixed the biscuits through the meat and drop it on the floor and then pick out the meat and left all the biccies. It was like chewing the crunchy biscuits was hurting him.

It is really hard to see inside his mouth as he does not like me looking in there one little bit. Bless him, he did not nip but was trying to get away from me when I tried to inspect it :eek: the other thing that makes me think it is something in his mouth is on the weekend he was playing with a tennis ball and I saw little flecks of blood on it where he had been chewing it. I have not heard back from my email this morning, his vet may have taken an extra off with the long weekend so I have emailed again tonight (gawd I must be a pain of a pet parent!!) with my new idea and I think he should have a dental and so he can get a good look inside his mouth and fix any dodgy teeth. He did have mouth ulcers seen on last years dental and I have been suspicious of them since, but we tried together to have a good look at our last appt and our vet thought it was just normal folds of mouth tissue. I remain unconvinced!!

So I will wait and see what he says about this. Would rather he did not need another anaesthetic but if that is what is making him sore then it needs to be done. HIs tummy seems good and normal poops again today so kinda rules out his possible IBD flaring and causing this lack of appetite.

Honestly, if its not one thing its another!! But teeth can be fixed so hopefully it is something as simple as that. xxxxx

Hey Trish
Just getting caught up here,but glad Flynny is eating and pooping and it sounds like you might be on the right track with the possiblility that it may be dental related.Smart mommy that you are!Hope he continues to have a good day and keep us posted.Hugs to you and Flynny.
Patty

hmm, yep, teeth could be a bother. It is hard to get in there and look around isn't it. The immediate reaction seems to be, No, get out of my mouth woman! Molly too. LOL She doesn't like it but I go in anywhere. You know where others fear to tread. hahahaha
Hope you hear from vet today.
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Well hopefully it is his teeth, or even a mouth ulcer, that's a much more accessible thing to address. In the meantime though, are you able to mix a bit of water with the kibble to soften it up? I have no idea what you can/can't do with the hydrolised stuff, but I know that's a common thing for puppies. Just makes the kibble a little softer and means they can chew it up more easily, it may mean that Flynn is then able to eat his bikkies?

Just a thought, Hope your week is going well.

Hey Trish,

Sorry to hear of Flynn not wanting to eat his kibble. Is there any hard treat he may eat? Just wondered if you could test the teeth theory by offering him some other biscuit consistency treat to see if he eats it or not. They can get strange when their food changes. One day I added more water to Koko's Embark so it was rather soupy. He was highly suspicious of it and did not want to eat it:rolleyes:

Hang in there. I hope it gets sorted out. Zoe ended her Keen food trial, she could not handle the food even though we tried very small amounts.:(

They sure keep us working hard.

hugs

Hey Trish

Just checking in to see how you and Flynn are? Did you get a look in his mouth?

Hope you are both ok?

Mel
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Hi all

I have heard from the vet and we have scheduled Flynn in for a mouth exam/dental under sedation next Monday. He has perked up and is eating again, still preferring soft food though. But vet said symptoms I have described makes him suspiciuos he has a sore tooth or something else going on in his mouth and with good poops etc less likely tummy playing up again. But in saying that last night he did have a softer one with a bit of mucous. So he wants to have a good look in there and thinks it will be fine with light sedation not full anaesthetic which I am happy about.

He said dogs with sore mouths will go off their food then a couple days later start eating again as hunger gets the better of them even if they still have sore mouth. Tough little things aren't they!

So that's the plan, if further problems before then I have to let him know as he is working all weekend anyway and can do it sooner if we have to.

Right, I am off out to dinner for a friends birthday so will post more on others later tonight!

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Love Flynns new avatar. It looks like he's off to do a 5K!:D. I hope you get his eating thing straightened out and that his teeth are okay. It seems to always be something with our babies.

Hugs,
Kathy

Hello you

How was the game (rugby?). Did you win?

Little man doing ok?

Hoping you are having a good night and maybe catch you when you come in half cut from the pub ;)

Mel
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PUB? Did someone say pub? Oh, that sounds like fun.:D:D:D

Many years ago, hubby and I spent a summer enjoying Pimm's Cups.
I'm not sure if you drink them in NZ but Mel may being in the UK. Now Im thinking how fgood one would be while sitting out at the pool.

That is if the sun ever stays out for more than hour:rolleyes:

Hope you are enjoying your weekend and Flynn's mouth is better. Koko goes for a dental the end of the month. I hate to say it but Koko is a crybaby so I made sure I scheduled his dental for the Friday before I am off for a week;);)

Hope you find out what is going on with Fynn.

Good morning everyone! Dreary old Sunday here today, not raining yet so will get out for our walk soonish!

Yay the All Blacks did beat France Mel, it wasn't pretty but a win's a win and we will excuse their less than stellar performance, as it's the first game of the season!

And no, there was no Pimms at the pub for me haha... have not had that drink in years!! But it would definitely qualify as a girlie drink Addy :)

Flynn is a little up and down still, he is eating which is good. Prefers the meat still, he has been having a few of his old biscuits not many though. Last night I gave him some of his hydrolysed biscuits to see how he would go. Elle was circling as he ate them, she has decided they are very tasty and sneaks right up to him to steal one, he just lets her do it too! His stategy was to gobble them all down as fast as he could so she would not get them, he hardly crunched them at all. So it was unsurprising a half hour later he brought some back up, all still in their biscuit shape!! His poops were very mucousy again yesterday too, I think because he is not getting so much fibre and eating mainly meat this week. Disappointing to seet he old bad poop this week after he had been so good for a couple of weeks. But his poop was great this morning.

We called in to the pet store yesterday to pick up his venison. They had a cage of rats reasonably low down and Flynn spotted them right away. He was mesmerised, the rats were not concerned about him at all and were swinging off the roof of their cage, running on their treadmills. He stared and stared at them. I tried to lead him away but he was rooted to the spot and would not move, I pulled harder, he lay down on the floor so I could not make him walk, little shite. I pulled a bit harder, calling him... he was attracting quite an audience by this stage... he would not come again and only slid along the polished concrete floor when I pulled him a bit harder with everyone laughing at his perseverence (or naughtiness!). Had to pick the little bugger up as it is not a good look dragging your lying down dog along the floor while he is longingly staring at rats is it!!

So I really hope tomorrow's examination just shows a bung tooth that can easily be fixed.

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Hi Trish,
Hoping Flynn's appt. goes well. It's unnerving when they aren't eating properly. Maybe he just doesn't like all the new biscuits??? Where is the dang meat!! ;) Come on Fynny boy, stop worrying your mama!

Hugs,
Kathy

Trish,
I have been brushing Buddy's teeth, 2 to 3 times a week ever since he was a puppy. He doesn't like it much, but he puts up with it. It is just part of his regular grooming. I stand him on the counter in the bathroom and he gets his face washed, his eyes cleaned, his ears checked and his teeth brushed. Then I turn him around and go to the South-forty and trim his backend. :He is absolutely perfect while I do this, and any other grooming for that matter. I do his nails, haircuts, anal glands, all of it!;) Once I release him and let him go, he tells me off for at least five minutes!:mad::D Ha! I don't care as long as I get the job done and he behave while I do it!;)

Hugs,
Kathy

Thanks for that Kathy, you have a good system going and it sounds like Buddy is a perfect boy for you! I should have got Flynn into a similar routine from a young age too. He just hates it, I have to get the vet nurses to do his nails as he hates that too, I must remember to ask them to do it tomorrow when he is asleep as he is getting a bit click clacky on hard floors!! Luckily with his short straight fur I do not need to clip him, just a good brush every now and then which he loves!!

I just emailed the vet to confirm all go for tomorrow, I have asked if he can do gastroscopy if he finds nothing in his mouth. We talked about that before and he does do them so just want to get the plan all straight before I drop him in the morning. I am working out of town for the day tomorrow, so hopefully everything goes very well!

Trish
I could just picture Flynny being dragged away from the rats!Hysterical!:D.They do have a mind of their own and can be very stubborn when they want something!Good luck tomorrow with Flynny-we'll be thinking of the two of you!
Love,
Patty

Buddy and Kathy are amazing with the grooming. I wish Molly would be so good. :( doubtful it will ever happen though, she has no patience and doesn't take any of seriously.

heheheheheheeh I can just see you trying to drag Flynn away from the rats. He was really enthralled with the whole setup they had going in that cage. Guess you know now what to get him if you want him entertained. A couple rats in a cage with a wheel. ROFL!
My cat use to stare at the parakeets in their cage like that. I'm pretty sure he was thinking, if they get that door open, then Dinner!

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

hahaha Patty and Sharlene... I am pretty sure he was thinking dinner too... it was quite the little Rat Party going on in that cage, they were full of action and having a fine old time. Yes a cage full of rats would be entertainment plus for my boy!! (Not going to happen!)

Flynn has never been a TV watcher, I know it is stupid but I leave Animal Planet on for him if I ever have to go out and leave him. But he never watches the telly like I see some other dogs do. He cocks his head if he hears a dog bark on the tv but thats about it!

Haha-guess I'm not the only crazy one.I leave Animal Planet on for them too when I work the overnight shift-have to do something to keep them out of trouble!Grace is sort of oblivious(doesn't surprise me:))but Fella would have crack me up.His little head would go side to side and he would start growling.Once they had a big bear on the screen and he went right up to the TV and started growling at it and putting his paws up to the screen:D:D.That was my boy-no fear whatsoever!!:).

Rumor has it that the LCBO has a case of Soultaker Pinoit noir 2011 in (new zealand) so we are off to see if we can score a couple bottles! It's from Gibbston Highgate Estate.
Ta Da :)

Sharlene and Molly Muffin (no she doesn't get any of it)

Ohh tell him I can get him 6 bottles for $120NZD which is $96.50 Canadian! Good luck on your wine search!

Lol, wouldnt it be so much easier if we could all buy each other our local items at local prices and shipping wasnt a factor :p

As for Flynn, I can just picture that, and no wonder you had a laughing audience, I'd be there right along with them! He is such a clown :D

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Ohh tell him I can get him 6 bottles for $120NZD which is $96.50 Canadian! Good luck on your wine search!

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Oh that will kill him! It was 28.60 a bottle here, so we got three. His friend is the merchant that brings it in to the LCBO, so emailed to tell him our local just got a case. Then we went and picked up baguettes, and anitpasto, ham, cheeses, olives, etc and have called some friends to come over and join us.

Naomi, I very much wish that. We usually drink Australian wines, or Chilian, European, because the reds don't give my husband a headache like North American reds do.

Molly is thinking this is all a hoot and wow, what is that aroma! (I think it's the ham and salami)

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Hi Trish! Ok, I literally burst out laughing (and loudly I might add) at Flynn's rat adventure. I know that laying-down-on-the-floor-so-you-can't-pull-them behavior all too well, and can just see that little rascal sliding on the concrete floor as you pulled the leash. Jasper does the exact same thing when he wants to take his stand, he can be such a defiant little scamp. I end up having to carry him also. Must be a terrier thing. I imagine Flynn was thinking "dinner" for sure if Jasper's rabbit catching escapades are any indication. :eek: :eek:

It has been a rainy dreary day here also, but can't complain since it is the weekend and we dodged the severe storms for the day/night anyway. I am up later than usual for Jasper's middle of the night pit stop. If today was a work day I would be getting up in only an hour or so! Yikes!! :rolleyes:

I have had a busy past couple of weeks and a haven't posted much, but have been trying to stay somewhat caught up on everyone's babies. Lots going on here, I wish I didn't work so much so I could spend more time here. I miss everyone. I don't know how you and some of the others do it.

I use one of those finger toothbrushes for Jasper also, when he will let me. :p He is not too keen on it, but seems to allow it a little better as he has gotten older. It certainly is not done on a regular basis. I meant to start right away with Shelby so she would be more tolerant but I admit I haven't been very good with it!

Glad to read that Flynn is eating better and I hope his tummy continues to settle. Also hoping that everything goes well at the vet visit tomorrow and that all that needs attention are Flynn's teeth. I will be thinking about your little man.

Big hugs from me and Jasper

Yay its Tina popping in for a pit stop :D:D Just heading off to bed, it has got nastier as the day has gone on and is pouring out now. No thunder or anything like that though. Flynn is fine in storms, they do not bother him at all. I thought of all the storm dogs as I spied thunder shirts in the pet store yesterday in the sale bin.. they were 33% off so there can't be good sellers here or our NZ dog are super tough hahahaha. Fireworks do not bother him either, funny how they are so different. He likes watching the fireworks out the window at Guy Fawkes time.

Yes, those terriers are tenacious aren't they, can be rather stubborn if they set their minds to it! He is usually a very good dog though and listens to him Mum but obviuosly not so much if there are rats involved!

I am usually only on in the evenings when everyone is fast asleep up North! Lappy in front of the telly, Flynn beside me, good at this time of the year!

Flynn has had a good day, we managed a walk and some chores, good poops, seems hungry, slowish eating but he did a little cry before while he was sitting on couch a little while back, not sure what that was about. But overall good day for us :D:D will let you all know how he goes tomorrow! Right I am off to bed, cya soon Tina!! Pats for Jasper and Shelby!

Hope everything goes well at the vet for Flynn. I'll be thinking of you all day:):):)

Morning

Thinking of you both. Will come on in the morning to check how you get on

Paws up Flynn, hope your mouth feels better

Mel
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I was just checking in on my buddy Flynn. Glad he is well for the most part. I hope he doesn't have any broken teeth or sores in his mouth.

Thinking of you and Flynn and hoping that his appointment went well.
I hope there aren't any rats in for appointments today.;)

Hugs,
Kathy

Hi have the boy home!

He had GA in the end, teeth good, two lesions in mouth, one ok the other ?squamous cell carcinoma as flat ulcerated looking. It was superficial and excised easily and he is hopeful he got it all out and it should be no further problem. Wait for histology. He had gastroscopy too, stomach good.

Flynny hungry, bit upset so he getting spoiled, got a few stitches in his mouth poor boy. Hopefully this is the end of sore mouth problems! I still have to google dog SCC so hope I don't scare myself. Vet txt me this info and he is going to ring tonight for a chat so will let u know if I find out anything else.

Thx for yr messages, most appreciated. Laptop on the blink so typing on iPad so excuse my txt talk!!

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Hi Trish, thought about you guys all day and checking in now, glad to see Flynn is home. What a trooper he is once again. You were right on when you thought his mouth might be bothering him! I am hoping for the best with the path report for no SCC since the lesion was superficial. Teeth ok and no problems with his stomach, yay!

Your vet is awesome. I don't know if my vets office would have the capability of doing a gastroscopy or anything more than a routine dental. I will have to inquire about that. Nice that you can get that all taken care of at once if needed.

You know, my laptop has some problem with the wireless card, so my wireless connection is hit and miss. Internet connection works perfect if it is plugged in to the modem, so I know it is the laptop itself. I do most of my posting on my iPad now, so I can also watch tv. It can be cumbersome, but with practice I have gotten better with the touch keypad. ;)

I will be looking forward to what your vet has to say when he calls. Praying for a good pathology/histology report so there won't be anything else to worry about!

Hugs,
Tina and Jasper

Hi Tina
Well I just surprised myself and fixed it, something to do with the WLAN hahaha god knows what that is but I kept on clicking things and it is going.. YAY! I usually have to wait for a younger more tech savvy family member to visit and fix things :rolleyes:

I did google SCC and I shouldn't have :eek::eek:. It can invade intot he bone and there are stories of dogs have their jaws excised :eek::eek: Last year when he had his dental his old vet who was a young one out of vet school had commented that he had a couple of ulcers back then. She excised them. They have obviously come back. Still it might not be that, even if it is he said it was superficial and he is confident he got it all :). When my old vet left we got handed to the owner of the practice, he is very experienced and I am very happy to have him. I was actually a little leery of Flynn having a GA, even with his good scan a couple of weeks back if he did have any pheo lurking it could have affected his BP. But he had monitoring and it is commented on discharge summary BP was good. Phew.

So I am not going to worry about it until we get histology back. Last week when he said he would ring me he fell asleep on the couch, so he txt me today to say if I had not heard from him by 9pm I am to txt and wake him up haha so guess I will know more later tonight when I get to speak to him, 9pm is an hour away here!!

Flynny is a pacing about a bit, I fed him but he wanted my dinner too, so I gave him some as it was just an omelette and he looking for more food now. I sent him with a packed lunch which is eaten so he cant be that hungry!! Just crying a little, but then went and chomped on one of his toys so he cannot be that sore in the mouth. GA's do tend to upset him though. Poor Boy.... ok come on phone riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!

Trish, I just did some googling and saw that too. :eek: :eek: I am putting that right out of my mind. It sounds like that can happen when the lesions are not superficial, and the report for Flynn is that it is superficial. So that is what I am going with. Gosh, I would have been worried about the GA also. That is the reason why Jasper hasn't had his teeth cleaned. My vet said that we don't need to add that in the mix now with all that he has going on. Things are going a bit better for him at the moment, but my vet hasn't mentioned anything about a dental, I am sure she doesn't want to rock the boat. :rolleyes:

Lol, you are supposed to text your vet to wake him up! Now that is an awesome vet! :D

Flynny is hungry and chewing on a toy, that is a good sign. I'm sure he is a bit off from the anesthesia. Poor baby.

I am going to have to head back to bed, have to get up for work in just a couple of hours. But I will check in for more information after I get up. Or should I say after I get back up! Great job fixing your laptop, wish I could fix mine. It is lots easier to type on than this iPad!

Nite. xo

Hello

Just catching up, thank goodness he showed you his little mouth was sore and that you picked up on it.

Sorry this is brief (blinking work) but i am right here with you (in between meetings) waiting for that phone to ring...

Big hug
Mel
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OK that was a reassuring phone call! Phew.

He said where it was located it was not real close to the bones, he did an xray and there was no sign on that of any bone involvement either. No swollen lymph nodes evident.

He thinks if could be an SCC because it was a solitary lesion, if dogs have mouth ulcers for other reasons he said he usually see's a few, not just one. Well he does have one other skin tag kinda of thing that is apparently common in dogs and he is not worried about that one at all. The ?SCC is in the area behind his teeth, not on the tongue, he describes it as sublingual. There was a lot of loose tissue around it so he said he was able to get pretty good margin of what he felt normal tissue. He has asked the lab to identify what it is and also to check all the margins in case it is SCC as he wants to make sure there is nothing left behind. If it is SCC and margins not clear he will have to operate again to take more tissue.

I told him I had been googling SCC and saw dogs with their jaws excised and I think I could almost hear him sighing!! Way to scare yourself was the general opinion on that one!!

He is off to some show the next few days, histology takes about 3 working days so should be here by end of the week and he has asked his staff to email him results as soon as they arrive and he will let me know. Stitches are dissolving with the knots upside down so they do not irritate Flynn so thats good. He wants me to txt him in the morning how he is overnight and to see him early next week for a checkup.

Ohhh and then he started talking about the IBD, we not to go back to hydrolysed food until he is over this little episode so will see how he is next week. Then he started talking about putting Flynn on Prednisone ofr 2-3 weeks and he is going to talk about IMS, I expressed a little concern about that considering he only has one adrenal. Other option is sulphasalzyne so we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

Poor Flynny is a bit upset, he has had temgesic and that has made him a bit spacey in the past. We have been home 4 hrs and he has not been asleep at all. Crying on and off, vet has said I can give him Tramadol if I need to help him settle. He keeps wanting to go outside but its raining so he runs out with me with the brolly trailing along and then quick pee and straight back inside :) He is hungry as, has eaten and just had a lick of icecream... such spoiling!!

Hmmm there we have tonights novel, off to bed after my cup of tea!

Thanks for the support everyone xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx :)

Well that is all really positive from the sounds of it.

Why does he want to start pred? For inflammation in his mouth??

Hopefully the little man will settle down soon it's disorientating for humans so must be harder for pups as he cant tell you

Hope you both get a restful night and I will catch you later

Mel
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Hi Mel, I am so pleased to have you and Tina to talk my worries to tonight, you are both treasures you know :):D:) Sorry I haven't posted on anyone elses thread, rather self absorbed tonight :confused::rolleyes::(:p but will get to you all soon :)

The pred is for the IBD, the hydrolysed food can only do so much at settling the bowel down he said sometimes you need to go to medication to try and settle the actual deep in the bowel tissue inflammation if that makes sense. He then talked about proteins in the food and even sometimes when you change the food to prevent allergic reactions the inflammation will flare up again once the body has got used to the new food and how they break down the proteins and hmmmmm I kinda lost him there as my brain was focused on the mouth hahaha but he felt the meds would be the way to go if after the hydrolysed food trial we were still seeing flare ups of tummy trouble.

Aww the little man just came wandering out again when I was sure I had him asleep in his bed. Think I will go to bed too and he won't be coming looking for me.

Thanks for being here girls ... I LOVE ALL THE K9C ANGELS!!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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A newer corticosteroid showing promise is budesonide (Entocort? EC). This drug is marketed to treat Crohn's disease in people. Budesonide may cause less of the systemic side effects associated with corticosteroid use.

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Could this be a better option then the pred?

Glad to hear Flynn's mouth is better. :):):)

Sorry, so short, gotta run.

Hi Trish, glad to hear that the sore was superficial and they think they got it all. The vet you have now is a real winner. Texting and phoneing results, you have trained him well. :)

Just have to get those bowels settled down. Seems when they decide to go wonky it can be a real pain to get it all sorted out.

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Hi Trish
Was thinking of you two all day yesterday-you were right about the dental-a mama knows her baby!:).Praying the path/histology report comes back with good news.You both have been through too much for it to be anything BUT good news!Hope his mouth is feeling a bit better today.Once spoiled,always spoiled.:).

I LOVE your vet!-He really keeps you informed and spends alot of time with the two of you and does a great job.Hope Flynn was able to eat a little something and is more comfortable.Hugs to you both!
Patty

This is where the time difference works in our favour as you are settling down, I am getting up and as I am settling down you are getting up!

So this is my morning post to see how you both slept and if he seems a bit more like himself today....

Big hug, scratches for the wee man

Mel
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