Flynn 11 y/o Foxie Cross - Right adrenalectomy- Good Bye Flynny We will miss you

Trish,
Be careful, hypoallergenic diets can be tasteless. You want to give Flynn something that he is going to want to gobble up.:D. Buddy is allergic to many things. The question isn't what he's allergic to, it's finding something that he can tolerate and not have a reaction to.
Buddy eats Blue Buffalo Basics - Salmon and Potato Formula. It is a special blend for dogs with food sensitivities. I don't know if you have that there.

Hey Trish,

Haven't caught up for a while but congrats on Flynn's test results, some positive news there for sure.

As far as the diets go, is there anything else (other than Ziwi obviously) that is made in NZ, or do they bring Black Hawk in from Aus at all? I don't know if there is anything specifically hypo allergenic from them, but I worry now about the big brands like Hills etc as they are so heavily radiated when they are imported in. I reckon our kids have enough to go through without adding that issue to the mix, so I have changed my boys to Ziwi and Black Hawk. Coming from NZ, food doesn't get radiated, and the Black Hawk here is made in Victoria. Again though, I don't know if they have a hypo allergenic formula.

Alternatively, could you consider home cooking for him? We know Flynn loves "real" food from your parents, :p so maybe fresh food would suit him more? Oz was always allergic to preservatives so he has had home cooking and kibble his whole life. Certainly knocked those issues out anyhow, the trick obviously would be to find a protein source to use that doesn't upset Flynny.

Anyway, hoping you are well and having a great weekend. Take care and Fraser sends sloppy kisses.

Hi everyone
Thanks for the comments on diet, it is such a confusing area to research!

I would love to feed him a home cooked diet, but they do not come without difficulty either. I have been looking up local NZ papers on this topic tonight and these three papers are by an IMS that my IMS consuted about Flynns gastrointestinal problems. The first one discusses home cooked and the other two are about hydrolysed diets. They are a bit different to other hypoallergenic diets because they alter the proteins with the goal of less irritants in the bowel. It seems Flynny's small intestine is showing inflammation which has been picked up on ultrasound hence the recommendation for the hydrolysed food trial.

Home prepared discussion paper
http://samedicine.anzcvs.org.au/same...ed%20diets.pdf

Hydolysed diet papers
http://samedicine.anzcvs.org.au/same...ed%20diets.pdf
http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/wsava/2010/b2.pdf

Addy, what do you think on these?

I think the Geneva paper interesting as it relates also back to the digestibilty of foods, pointing out that poorly digested foods can also contribute to loose stools, which has me thinking about my Zoe and her Zeal, though she was on highly digestible ID with not good results either:confused::confused:

Fo Zoe, I would not want to use a soy based diet because I know she has problems with increased estrogen.

We have to take in to account the carbs in the hydrolized diet as well as the protein, from what I gleaned from some other sites, try to pick a hydrolized food with novel carbs and protein is preferred, which is pretty darn hard these days, so we would have to do the best we can. If you make a homemade diet, you do have more control of that, you have more choices unless all the proteins are used up. It really does not matter if a dog's diet is not exactly balanced for eight weeks, in my opinion.

I'm wondering if the soy diet might not be a pick if Flynn will even eat it.

I remember on by IBD forum, if you had a rescue dog and could not possible know what protein the dog may have eaten they suggested going back 2 years if you could and that meant not even one mouthful and they wanted us to pick a new protein and carb.

Flynn would eat one of these diets for about eight weeks, monitor how he does and if he does well, then you reintroduce his previous food to see if you get a response. If you do then you know he is allergic to something in his previous food. Isnt that how it works?

I would be worried about Flynn eating one of the hydrolized diet for a regular, permament food though that is just me. Im also wondering if he will eat the soy based food or would you do the chicken liver? I did not realize how limited the hydrolized diets are as far as choices of proteins and carbs.

Quote:

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Hydrolyzed protein diets often feature chicken or soy as the protein source, with soy often preferred since few dogs have likely consumed soy protein as part of their former diet, so they are unlikely to be allergic to the soy protein. These proteins are usually paired with potato, rice or cornstarch as the carbohydrate source as these are less commonly used in commercial dog food production than other carbohydrates like whole kernel corn or wheat.

In addition to helping alleviate food allergy symptoms, hydrolyzed protein diets can also help treat:

•colitis
•idiopathic diarrhea
•inflammatory bowel disease
•otitis externa
•short bowel syndrome


Hill’s Prescription Diet z/d Ultra Canine
Hill’s Prescription Diet z/d Ultra Canine uses hydrolyzed chicken liver and potato as its protein and carbohydrate sources for adult dogs. The liver has been broken down into its amino acid components to reduce the chances of it causing an allergic reaction in sensitive dogs. Prescription Diet z/d Ultra Canine is available in dry and canned formulas.

Purina HA HypoAllergenic Canine Formula
HA HypoAllergenic Canine Formula from Purina Veterinary Diets uses hydrolyzed soy protein and cornstarch to provide balanced nutrition for both puppies and adult dogs. It is a highly digestible, vegetarian diet that is available in a dry formula only. HA HypoAllergenic is compatible with a Purina treat called Gentle Snackers, which also contains hydrolyzed soy protein.

Royal Canin Veterinary Diet Canine Hypoallergenic
Royal Canin uses hydrolyzed soy protein and rice to provide nutrition for both puppies and adult dogs with food allergies. It also contains ingredients to improve a dog’s skin and coat, as well as balancing a dog’s digestive system. This highly digestible diet is available in a dry formula only. It is not recommended for pregnant or nursing females.

Other Options to Consider
Hydrolyzed protein diets are one option owners of dogs with food allergies can try, but they may not work in all cases. If your dog’s symptoms do not improve with a hydrolyzed protein diet, you may want a commercially prepared hypoallergenic diet that features unique sources of protein and carbohydrates that may not create an allergic reaction in your dog.


Read more: Hydrolyzed Protein Dog Food - VetInfo

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I thought I just read about a canned version of Royal Canin- maybe this article is older- Zoe cannot even eat kibble, yikes, she's out of luck with hydrolized diets unless we can find more.

Good morning everyone, lovely sunny Sunday morning here!

Thanks for your comments Addy, I was leaning towards the soy as well as he has reacted to chicken in the past. Although he did have some last weekend with no ill effects. I understand the proteins are broken down in the hydrolysed diets to decrease gut inflammation but I thought it might be best to not have chicken in the mix at all. My problem is a vegeatarian Flynn?!?! :eek::eek: He loves his meat, even though it might not be doing him any good at the moment. Plus the Purina HA only comes in biscuit form and I was hoping to at least have him on wet and dry for variety. Still it is worth a try to see if we can settle his poor tummy down without having to resort to more meds.

I have posted to a IBD facebook group so will see what they have to say about it all. xxxx

I think the soy diet is the better option for a chance of success since he also has never eaten it, hydrolized or not it gives you a better shot at success, but I dont know if our Flynn will like his soy burgers:):)

Maybe try it and then switch to the chicken liver option if he wont eat the soy.

I made my decision on Zoe. I am going to try to get rid of the rest of her raw food. Her Zeal is still high protein but if I can replace those 137 calories of pure raw protein with lower protein, maybe I can get her UPC down under 1.5. The new IMS thought part of her higher Bun was from her diet. I want to try this first before trying an ACE inhibtor. Problem is it will take me 2 months to do it so I wont see the effects on her next test.:(:(:(

If her IBD gets worse, I'll be back looking at these diets. But her stool is better on now then it was.

Let me know what the IBD Facebook people say. I wonder if it is my old IBD forum.

HI Addy and everyone... These are the hydrolysed formula's available in NZ, both Royal Canin and Hills has chicken in it so I think I will go for the Purina HA blend, give it a try and see how we go. I am nervous about doing this but after giving him normal preservative free venison meat plus grain free venison and potato biscuits is not working for him. He is lying about this morning, had a normal BM but I think his tummy is sore... but still I have been sitting about :) and usually if I do little he follows suit, so best I get out and get some things done in the yard before we get buried under the autumn leaves that are piling up!

Addy, I don't think they need to go on an ace until UPC hits 2. So you got a ways to go there. Maybe the diet change will do the trick for Zoe and she won't need it. In saying that, Flynn seems to be tolerating his Ace (benzapril) really well, the UPC when it went high in April was 3.57, starting benzapril brought it down to 1.49 in little under one month. Last week it was up again to 1.84 but that is with testing at a different lab to the others so I am not getting to perturbed about that right now with his gut problems being the most pressing issue. I did ask the IMS about his kidneys, she said there is no reason why it will not stay lowish now his BP is under control, she said the changes in his eyes have resolved with the hypertension stabilising so hopefully she thinks the same will apply to his kidneys that have also suffered with high BP. But we obviously have to watch them.

Royal Canin Hypoallergenic

COMPOSITION: rice, hydrolysed soya protein isolate, animal fats, minerals, hydrolysed poultry liver, beet pulp, soya oil, fructo-oligo-saccharides, fish oil, borage oil, marigold extract (source of lutein). ADDITIVES (per kg): Nutritional additives: Vitamin A: 24800 IU, Vitamin D3: 800 IU, E1 (Iron): 40 mg, E2 (Iodine): 3 mg, E4 (Copper): 11 mg, E5 (Manganese): 53 mg, E6 (Zinc): 202 mg - Preservatives - Antioxidants. ANALYTICAL CONSTITUENTS: Protein: 21% - Fat content: 19% - Crude ash: 8.4% - Crude fibres: 1% - Per kg: EPA/DHA: 3.4 g - Essential fatty acids: 47 g

Purina HA
Ingredients: Starch, hydrolyzed soy protein isolate, vegetable oil, calcium phosphate, partially hydrogenated canola oil preserved with TBHQ, powdered cellulose, corn oil, potassium chloride, vegetable gums (gum arabic, guar gum), choline chloride, dl-methionine, salt, magnesium oxide, lecithin, taurine, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, vitamin E supplement, manganese sulfate, niacin, calcium carbonate, vitamin A supplement, copper sulfate, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, garlic oil, vitamin B12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of vitamin K activity), sodium selenite

Fiber (estimated dry matter content) = 4.4%

Hills ZD
Starch, Hydrolyzed Chicken Liver, Soybean Oil (preserved with BHA, propyl gallate and citric acid), Hydrolyzed Chicken, Powdered Cellulose, Lactic Acid, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Glyceryl Monostearate, Potassium Chloride, Iodized Salt, Choline Chloride, vitamins (Vitamin E Supplement, L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), DL-Methionine, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, preserved with Mixed Tocopherols & Citric Acid, Rosemary Extract, Beta-Carotene

Trish,
I hope Flynn loves his new chow and his new chow loves him!:). It is always somewhat scary when you have to switch foods. I've had to do it several times due to Buddy's allergies. There is always a period of adjustment.:o Sending lots of love and hugs for you both.

By the way Trish, Flynn looks almost identical to the dog that I had when I was child. He was raised as my little brother. I was the baby and my older brothers had each other, so Spot was my little brother.
My parents adopted him as a puppy from the local animal shelter. He was a mutt. We are not sure what his breed was. I was barely three at the time. He lived until he was 15 and I was 18. He wasn't overly friendly to anybody but me. I could do anything to him an we did everything together. We had a connection of complete trust in which nobody really understood. When he crossed over the rainbow bridge, I lost my favorite brother. I have always had an uncanny connection with animals. Every time I see your avatar, I see Spot. I can tell that Flynn is just a special to you as Spot was to me. Boy this is sappy and now I'm an emotional mess!:rolleyes:

Hugs,
Kathy and Buddy:cool:

Trish,
I searched high and low to find a photo of Spot to show you. I posted it in my "check it out" photo album. Please read my previous post and you'll understand what the heck I am talking about. The photo is a picture of me holding Spot. It was taking more than 40 years ago!I think Flynn may be a reincarnation of Spot. ;). I am not kidding when I said that Flynn reminds me of my little brother. :) Bizarre huh?:rolleyes:

Hugs,
Kathy and Buddy:cool:

Wow they do look alike Barbara! Isn't that the cutest of you holding spot, your 'brother'.
hugs,
Sharlene and molly Muffin

Sharlene,
Spot was my brother, not Barbara's!:D

Hugs,
Kathy and Buddy:cool:

Hi Trish,

I read over the complete US report, and I think it looks great overall. Especially the part about no evidence of any more pheo!! Wow,what a lot of reading you have done on the diets. Great job, as always. It is so confusing, isn't it? I remember when I was trying to research kidney diets when Jasper's UPC was so high and the Dr said we had to start treating. I about drove myself crazy. There was so much to read and learn, and for kidney stuff it was so scary, the low protein versus moderate protein recommendations and opinions. You have done a much better job than I was able to do! ;). And how is the little man tonight? Hope you guys are having a good weekend!

Hugs,
Tina and Jasper

Wow Kathy, they are very very similar!! Even the tail could be Flynny's tail with that wee bit of black on the top :) Flynn has a wee bit more brown on his face but honestly they could be brothers!!! Thanks for posting that, it has put a huge smile on my face :D:D So cute aren't they! Flynn is a muttley too haha, mainly fox terrier though! I rescued him off a busy road when he was about 6 months old, so we have no idea what his parents were like. He is my first ever dog so I have learnt along the way, but I am so glad I found him. I am a little jealous of kids with dogs, now I have one I often think of the first 38 years of my life that were doggy less and I didn't even know what I was missing, the bond your share with Spot and now the Budster is so so special :D Awwww I love my dog! :):D:):D

Trish- do we have to be worried about how much calcium phosphate is in the food? The Royal Canin does not have it. I know Zoe's raw has it. I read U.C. Davis does not use calcium as a binder any more for kidney disease and I wonder if we have to think about how much phosphorus is in each diet?

Trying to look at all the issues.;):)

Also, I think it depends on exactly what is causing the inflamation and in Zoe's case it is bacteria which diet does not really solve, antibiotics do, thus the continuing low dose of metronidazole for her.

I don't think so at this stage Addy, most of the renal stuff I have read say to be careful with phosphorous the worse the renal function gets. Phosphorous was included in his blood tests last week and his is 1.14 (1.00 - 3.00), so it does not seem to be a problem as yet!! (or ever hopefully :) ) What is Zoe's?

In January it was 4.3 normal range being 2.5-7.9 so she is good but I want to keep it that way. We did not retest that in March and everything else increased in March so-----

When I switched Zoe to her raw diet four years ago we did it cold turkey and I had metronidazole on hand. I was scared too as I had so many bad reactions to every food I tried previously, sometimes only one piece of kibble. So it is natural to be worried. Do you have metronidazole or something on hand if you need it?

Ace inhibitors must be used with caution with Trilostane which is why I dont want to get to that point:):)

Im here if you need moral support.

Hi Trish-

I am so glad to read there is no evidence of reoccurrence of the pheo. Yay!!!! It seems everything looks pretty much the same except his small intestine. Was the swab removed from his small intestine? Could that have anything to do with his current intestinal issues?

I don't know anything about diets. I have fed Chey the same food for many years.

Take care. Soooo glad to hear the good news.

Ro

Morning you

How are you and the little man?? Any adventures? How's his belly been?? Mum and Dad ok?

Thank you for your sweet note on Tia's thread and the candle.

We had a good time, he wasn't as keen on the beach as usual but it was still a bit cold. Was nice to get away and I think we all needed it. I took pictures of princess with me and he kept stopping like she used to cause of the wind so we smiled at that. He was such a good boy and loved going away

I haven't seen him all afternoon as he has been in bed recovering :)

Hopefully I will catch you before work. Will be checking back :D

Big hug to you and a scratch for the wee man

Mel
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Welcome back Mel, good to see you and I'm glad you had a good getaway. We all need those breaks sometimes.

We've been holding down the fort for you!!

Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Hi everyone

Well it seems Flynn is not going to be vegedog after all :)

Just got off the phone after having a good chat with our local vet. He was very pleased with Flynn's IMS report and we had a very good discussion on dietary issues.

He wants Flynn to go onto the new Royal Canin allergenic diet which has just been released here in NZ. He is not sure if there is a wet food that can go with the biscuits as he agrees Flynn will not do well on an all biscuit diet but he is going to find out. He said we should transition him to the new diet over at least a two week period, keep him on his venison meat initially and start the biscuits slowly. If he will not eat biscuits only and if there is no Royal Canin wet food then we can supplement it with the Hills ZD to coat the biscuits. He thinks the benefits of this diet outweighs the inclusion of the chicken in the RC/Hills.

He wanted to know more about his dietary history and we talked about when I thought Flynn started having problems with chicken and he was quite right that it was associated with his dicey postop period when he had so many other things going on like the swab and pancreatitis so it might not even be the chickens fault.

If this does not work then we can go with the Purina HA which is soy based but apparently difficult to get hold of in NZ.

I am to keep all his current supplements going with this diet change. I told him about how over the last two weeks he has been good with only a few mucous covered but firm poops. He said that even normal dogs at times can have that and it is only a real problem if it is blood flecked which would indicate in Flynn's case more bowel inflammation.

One other thing I was concerned about is Flynn's ongoing elevated cholesterol level, his urine also had lipid droplets seen. He said high cholesterol in dogs is usually associated with liver problems which we know Flynn has, but they appear to be benign. I was concerned about possible atherosclerosis (like us humans get) and he said I am not too worry about that as dogs do not live long enough for those problems to manifest. So that was reassuring, but he did go on to say that of course high cholesterol can be associated with cushings and thyroid problems... so I just said, ok stop that right now... we not going there as he has no other symptoms of cushings so I do not even want to test for it! :eek:

Hmmmm... I think that's all for my report :D:D Ohhh I just thought of something for you Addy, we went through the ultrasound report and he said the renal cortical cysts are seen in a lot of dogs also and can be an incidental finding and often not cause any decreased renal function so there you go, I am not going to worry about the renal function especially when his latest UPC had the lowest protein count since April 2012!

So two happy campers here, bring on the new diet and lets kick this gastrointestinal problem into touch!!!!!!!!!!!!! Love to all xxxxxxx

I like this report:D:D:D I'm so glad Flynn wont be a vegan dog just yet and I think your vet makes perfect sense.

Our other IMS told me the same thing basically about Zoe's cysts and seems to feel the protein is coming from her IBD which is why his focus was going to be on diet, IBD and keeping her post cortisol as low as possible. That was the page I ws on too but keeping a nod toward the kidneys to preserve as much as I can.

Zoe had her first teaspoon of Keen today, will see what happens.

I hope you feel better now about transitioning Flynn. I think it will be fine.

it is just amazing how your litl Flynn is such a fighter!!! with all that he has endured and yourself it truly is wonderful :).hoping his tummy issues improve and that you can get some time to just relax and snuggle together ...such an outstanding mom you are trish .take care patty(milo)meka xoxox

Glad to hear that Flynn is continuing to do so well. I hope the new chow is too his liking and his tummy troubles settle soon. Many of our babies seem to have tummy issues:(. I love the way you continue to plug on with such a positive attitude.:) You are a great example for all of us.

Hugs,
Kathy

Thanks everyone :D:D

Well his food has arrived, I went and picked it up after work. It is called Anallergenic from Royal Canin. It smells. I gave him a wee taste and he liked it and gobbled it down. So have started mixing a few of the new in with his old biscuits and the venison and will start by slowly withdrawing the old biccies. Then over the next week stop the venison. Two weeks of fairly good poops here, hope I am not upsetting the apple cart by changing his diet now. I just want to settle down that inflammed bowel and I think it will make him feel better, it must be sore. I was lazy tonight and ordered a pizza and he was most aggrieved not to get any. But we have not been giving him any snacks at all other than his own food and Mum and Dad have been very good too which might be why he has been so good lately!

He had fun today leading poor Dad on a merry chase on their walk this morning. Dad forgot to take his leash (well he is a little forgetful at 80!), it is not a big deal as they walk up the beach in a safe dog walking area and Flynn is always off leash up there and enjoys his run. So they had a nice walk but then Flynn would not go back to the car and kept right on running well past it :D:D by the time Dad got hold of the little rotter he still could not tempt him to walk back to the car so he had to pick him up and carry him all the way :eek::eek: He is a good 30 pounds so poor old Dad was quite pooped lugging the little shite and all I could think of when Dad was telling me this tale was his newly diagnosed abdominal aneurysm and the strain of carrying that dog!!:eek::eek: I bet he won't forget his leash again :):)

Have a good Friday everyone! xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Oh lordy! Poor Dad!! What a little rotter eh.

Well, I'm sure that Flynn feels like he's a deprived soul. No pizza, no curry. *sigh*

Hope the new food works out well and you get to have a nice long enjoyable weekend.

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Yes he was a little rotter, but he just got his comeuppance!! Shower time Flynn boy! :eek::eek:

I just put up a photo of him sunbathing after the dreaded shower, relaxing to get over the trauma! :D He is still liking his new biscuits, I am using them for treats and half his biscuit allowance plus meat for few days. The vet nurse called this morning to see how he liked them, so that was nice of her. Have a good day everyone, Flynn has a doggy play date this afternoon around at a friends house... with the wee pup in the photo next to one I just put up! Fun, fun, fun! xxxxxxx

It looks like Flynn gave dad a run for his money! :eek:That'll teach him to take the leash next time!;) I am glad that he is doing well on his new food.

Hugs,
Kathy

Thanks Trish, now I want pizza! :( :D:D

Glad to hear Flynn is doing well and that the new bikkies seem to be a hit. Crossing fingers for you that he continues to like them and that his poor tummy settles down. Poor little tyke.

I saw a doggy t-shirt slogan online somewhere today that would suit him. "Little Monkey" Your poor dad! But I bet Flynn thought it was great fun. Hope you've had a great weekend and the week ahead is a good one.

Speak soon!

Hi Trish
Loved that you came along with us for the ride home last night-thanks!!And all I could think about was your delicious sounding key lime pies-Mel and I both!I just read your last few posts and laughed so hard about your Dad forgetting the leash!:D:D.I have alot of catching up to do as I was a passenger on the white van for about a week!:).

Romeo is a little love and though I could think of so many more names for him,the name just fits him to a T.He slept right beside me,under the blanket all night long!It was like he has lived here for years.He seems much younger than 2-he is like an energizer bunny,hopping,jumping and scooting all over the place.Grace is absolutely thrilled and Buster is watching from a distance,loaning out his BFF on a temporary basis!:).We are having a heat wave here-can barely stay outdoors for too long.No doggies on the beach as of June 1st so we will walk alongside it today.Romeo will be having a bath today as he smells a little too "doggy"!Give Flynn big hugs and kisses and hope his tummy is good with the new food.

Wow! Flynn is certainly a trooper, just like his mom.:) I am thrilled to hear that he's doing so well. :)Yes, the price for all you had done is very reasonable! Everything here is super expensive!! :(

Hugs to you and Flynny boy,
Kathy

Hey

How was dinner? Did the pies turn out ok? Enjoying the queens birthday. Bless her maj

Jealous you get the day off and I don't. 5 week countdown to summer hols, I brought some new blankets and did some reasearch on the area. Tends to be no Internet so have to check out the dog friendly beaches before we go!

How's the wee mans belly? Hope all is good today

Big hug, kisses to Flynn for a change if you can catch him :eek:

Mel
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Hi everyone.. thanks for checking in on us!

I thought the new food was going well until this morning... got it ready with his bit of venison that I put that on the bottom and the new biscuits on top. He took one sniff and walked away :eek::eek: He has been ever so slightly off all weekend and he started feeling funky prior to the food change so I can't blame that. Just a bit quieter, stiffer not playing with his toys. He had been so good for the previous two weeks I had cut down his Tramadol plus his Pentosan injection was due so I gave that Saturday and increased the Tramadol back to the old dose so hopefully he will perk up today. Poops good though, so thats a plus thought we were in for a bout of looseness again as his breath was bad and he was looking for grass both signs in him that tummy not right.

Anyway, I stirred up his food so he could see the venison and he then proceeded to pick it all out but left the biscuits behind.. he will go back and eat them later I hope. But in the big picture I do not have too much to complain about! Have a good day all... xxx
PS pies were yummo Mel!!

Oh Trish, the stories you tell make me smile, good old Flynn, quite a character..hope the new food keeps going smoothly!!

Awww Flynn. Maybe he figured out that he is slowly not getting as much of the venison and is suspicious that he's going to have those biscuits for the long term and No venison. He's a smart one :)
In all seriousness though, hope this settles down soon and he'll be okay. Eventually hopefully won't need the tramadol either.

Still, he does have his ways to let you know how things are going with him and that is really good that he does.

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Poor Flynn:( he probably wonders what the heck you're doing to his food! Where's all the meat mom?:confused: I sure hope that he's back to playing soon. It seems like it's always two step forward and one step back with our babies.

Hugs to you both,
Kathy

Now I am worried, I gave him his normal breakfast (with no hydrolysed biscuits) this morning just to try and get things back to normal and he took one sniff and walked away. :eek: I then tried JUST venison with no biscuits plus his Tramadol and took it to him as he had retreated to the couch and he ate that thank goodness. Dunno what is going on, his poops are good. Have emailed the vet so will see what he says. I have to go to work now :(

Wonder if that lamb made him feel a bit icky inside as he doesn't really have that does he....

If his poops are good he might just have been trying it on seeing what you would do esp as he doesn't seem to have taken to those biscuits.

Hopefully he will be up to his usual antics with pops on his beach walk.

Big hug

Mel
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Ack! Flynn. Hope this is nothing and he was just not interested, but that doesn't seem overly Flynnish. What did the vet say? How is Flynn this evening?

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

I am so sorry Trish. It is heartbreaking to have to leave them when you know that they are not feeling well or acting right. It makes for a very long work day. I hope he's starving and gobbles up all his dinner when you get home. Our babies can be so worrisome!:(

Hugs,
Kathy

Hoping that you and Flynn are having a good nite and that Flynn's appetite gets better....