Tipper - adrenal tumor/breathing issues

Hi Everyone:
Well is was a really bad nite for Tipper to day the least. I have never seen her so sick. I took her out 22 times to go potty she has the diarrhea so bad. She could hardly take it any more. SHe also threw up twice. That is from just a little of the new diet. the nutritionist prefers you give the new diet all at once, can you imagine what this would have done to her if I had done that. My whole yard is covered in this. It had been 12 hours so she got up screaming for food. I gave her a small portion of rice and chicken. Tipper has never had the diarrhea that I can remember, and to get it like this. I cried all nite, her gastro noises were unbelievable and had to hurt her. I feel terrible causing this on her after she already has enough problems. I spent all my money on this nutruitionist , food and supplements in an effort to help my girl, I feel horrible and have nothing to show for all this. Never mind the work I did as I don't care about that, I would do anything for her. Pumpkin does not help her as she will not eat it, does anyone know what I can use if it starts up. I am trying to keep her hydrated, and will not give Vetoryl or any supplements today. I know some vets use Kaopectate so I do not know how much to use either. My vet is not in today so I am relying on my family here for help. I have never seen my poor Tipper so sick, This is awful. I am exhausted to day the least. Tipper is at my feet resting right now. Poor Toby we had him up all nite too from all the racket. I will never give her this food ever. I am going back to her dog food with chicken I need to get the amounts right to help her lose weight and then a maintenance amount so she does not gain. She has eaten veggies, she has eaten sweet potatoes and all the other stuff in the diet except the buckwheat groats. So they had to be what caused this. Never, nerve again. I though I was doing what I should to help Tipper, I could really kick myself. She is so tired she is snoring now. She got so weak last nite I was ready to call the vet at home. My old adage comes back to me about only trust yourself. Well I am glad I did trust only myself as if I would have given her all this food at once she probably would have ended up in the emergency some where. She does not deserve this she has been such a good companion to me I am still crying thinking about her agony last nite. Blessings
patti

Oh Patti, I am so sorry to hear this but PLEASE don't beat yourself up. You were trying to do the best for Tipper, you had no way of knowing this would happen and you were so WISE to give her just a small amount. I am sure Tipper will rebound from this now that it seems to be out of her system. When my boys had diarrhea for some reason a few years ago our vet gave us FortiFlora probiotic to give them in their food. Prayers Tipper feels much better today! HUGS Patti

Patti !!
I am just reading the other posts after getting Freckles settled. It was so nice of you to post to our thread after your awful night.

Poor Tipper! I have done the same thing for Freckles, trying to give her proper food. I too had such reactions. You know I just stopped all meds and gave her just chicken and rice. Freckles also refuses pumpkin but will eat sweet potatoes, which work the same. Work on keeping her hydrated today. That is most important. No food until at least dinner time and not a lot at once. Plan to give her smaller dinner and then maybe same amount later in the evening. Her insides have to settle down. I put water in the food bowl with the rice and chicken so I know she will get some hydration.
She may beg for food but I would be afraid it would cause more upset tummy. It looks like she emptied out all the disagreeable food, so her tummy needs to rest. I am glad to hear she is resting as she is exhausted as are you. Sleep is always the best thing, so let her sleep. I know when I have been sick like Tipper, I am totally trashed for the day.

Keep us posted on Tipper. Yes, always trust your Mommy instinct. It is always right! That goes for 2 legged and 4 legged kids!

{{{hugs}}}
Louise

Patti you did the BEST for Tipper, you would NEVER of done it if you had known this would happen. You remember we took Teddy off his diet that had been the ONLY one he could have out of 12, and he was SO ILL with the bleeding guts and pancreatitis, and not being able to keep 1 teaspoon of food down, He didn't drink for a week almost, or eat for a week, and we got him better by slowly introducing his old food, like you are going to do, I think sometimes when they are ill, and a lot is going on inside them, they can't always tolerate a change in diet no matter how little we give them, we felt like you we really did, we wished we hadn't changed it, but we, like you did it out of love for our baby, as you did for Tipper. Don't beat yourself up, look at WHY you did it BECAUSE YOU LOVE HER SO MUCH, you would never ever ever do anything to upset her. Much love to you both Diana & Teddy xxx

Oh, Patti, that was truly awful what you both had gone through the night.:( I hope she will get better soon.

Here is what I used do when one of my babies (my children that is) had diarrhea when they were little. In a small pot boil water at least a good few minutes with some rice in it (maybe a couple of table spoons) and make a very dilute ricewater and strain the whole thing through a strainer and just give her the ricewater.
I think you will need to wait some time even giving her any water to calm her stomach down first and then start with a small amount of water (no solid food at all) if she can take it. Little at a time is the main thing I believe. I know she needs water constantly but what good is it if she doesn't keep it down so go slow and try not to get too anxious about getting any kind of food into her stomach any time soon, k?
I don't know if you will try this ricewater but if you do I hope that will work for poor Tiper. I feel so terrible for her.:( Big hugs. Song.

Patti, I am so sorry Tipper became so sick with the new diet. I know how awful you feel, but you were trying to do what is best for her. I wonder if you started too quick rather than a very slow transition? Or it could be that there is just something in the new diet that she is not able to tolerate for whatever reason. Jasper's stomach and GI system has become very sensitive and it seems like anything can upset it very easily. It is always baby steps with any kind of change for him.

I just have a second to post but wanted to say that with the frequency and amount of Tippers diarrhea, and especially since she vomited also, I think she should go for at least a 12 hour period with no food, as long as she is drinking water ok. I agree with Louise that you need to focus on her hydration, and give her gut a rest from food. My own vet has recommended this for Jasper at times when things were really bad, and has said that they can even go for 24 hours without food with no harm, as long as they are drinking. The important thing now is to keep her hydrated and settle things down in her GI tract.

When you do start back with food, it should be a bland diet, chicken/rice or hamburger/rice only, and start in very small amounts. Just make sure she is drinking water. Poor Tipper, I bet you are both exhausted. Hopefully things will settle down for her today. I will check back in later after nursing home rounds. :rolleyes:

Big hugs,
Tina and Jasper

Hi Everyone:
Thank you all for your help and thinking of my Tipper. She is here with me looking out the window and wants out in the snow. WE have 6 inches, and it is really coming down all day now. It is only 28 however so she will not be walking at all, especially after last nite. Well I have given her rice water and rice, small amount of chicken, and slippery elm combined in it. She ate it all and is not showing any signs of distress. She was so hungry. Now we will see if this helps her. I have also given her water via syringe. Toby is worn out too as he was up most of the nite watching us go in and out of the house. It was terrible because I had to stop and put a coat and shoes on and she had to go so bad the one time I just did not even put on a coat and she just made it outside. She would lay beside me and tap me with her paw when she had to go out. I sort of knew by the rumbling of her tummy. I never ever want her to go thru that again. I ran her dog food down as she was going to be eating this new diet and had to hurry and call Amazon and order some. They felt so bad about Tipper they gave me free 2 day shipping. I don't care what anyone says about them monopolizing the market, they have always treated me very well and I have never had a problem if there was something wrong with my order. So monopolize on! It will be here in 2 days so she will eat chicken and rice until then. I think she may have lost the lb she needed to get off last nite, and that is no joke, this poor baby suffered. I am so glad I trusted my instinct and only gave her a little of that food. Thank God for that! I am exhausted so just watching Tipper rest. I may walk her around the yard a few times and get her some fresh air. Blessings
Patti

Just want to make a comment about using beef after an upset tummy.

I had been giving Freckles chicken and rice and all was finally good. She loved it, even with the water I put in it. Then I decided to treat her to boiled hamburger 92% lean. She loved it but threw up dinner within a half an hour. I am not risking that again, even if it was because she ate too fast(typical beagle).

I am sticking to chicken and rice. I have slowly added carrots and a few peas and some apple. I thought that was the problem this morning when it turned out to be Vestibular Disease, but I am going back to just chicken and rice until the nausea is resolved.

She has been taking her daily medicine on a piece of plain rice cake with a dab of organic peanut butter with no tummy problems.

I hope Tipper is doing OK so far today.

Louise

Patti, we were posting at the same time.
So happy to hear that Tipper is much better today.

Louise

Yes I saw that Louise! Thanks for thinking of Tipper. I was looking at Freckles pictures, what a beautiful girl she is.