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hmmmm wonder what it was about that chicken that got him to gobble it up....and what could mimic that taste, smell, texture, but with less fat......there has got to be something.......with all the special ways foods are made for all sorts of diets, to all taste like something else.........
Can Scoop have carbs? If so, I would try pasta, potatoes, oats, and some cereals (like cheerios). Hope Scoop's appetite picks up soon.
Vicki:
I realize the gravity of your situation, and just want to support you. I think of you and Scoop all through out the day. May he get a miracle from God. I am so worried about both of you, and what this has to be doing to your state of mind Vicki. God Bless You Both I am praying for you.
Patti
Sending hugs and praying for you and Scoop, hope he starts eating better soon and gets some weight back on him...
Vicki, this is going to sound nuts but when Daisy recently refused food I literally dizzled the gravy from Gracie's wet cat food (just five drops or so) and she gobbled it all up. I can't think of the name of the food, it costs $1.19 a can and has all natural ingredients and each can has its own cover.
Might be worth a try.
Hope Scoop feels better!
Hmmm I saw cat soup just recently, I wonder if a wee drizzle of that would be tasty for Scoop. Pancreatitis is such an awful thing to deal with. Hope Scoop is feeling better today xx
thinking of you 2...... <3 patty (milo)meka xoxox
Vicki:
Hope you and Scoop are spending precious time together.God Bless you both and know I am thinking and praying for you.
Patti
Thanks everyone. So hard coming on here lately. It's hard dealing with Scoop's eating issues. It just makes me so sad.
Valerie, funny you mentioned about the cat food. When I had Scoop to the vet the other week, the tech gave him some Pounce cat treats. He loves those things, at least right now he does.
Trish, you mentioned pancreatitis. The vet never called it that but I wondered if that's what he has. Would you say that's it's pancreatitis? She said he should be on a low fat diet. I said, that will never happen with how he's eating.
She stopped all his meds except his insulin since Thursday to see if that would help his eating and he is taking an appetite stimulant. It helped just a slight bit. He eats a small amount of dog food but I have to try to see which one he wants. I usually have several different ones open at once. Good thing Raleigh will eat the ones Scoop doesn't. He'll eat a bit of it then that's it. He won't take any more. Sometimes he will eat something after that but not dog food. It's throwing his BG's out of wack with his diabetes. I give him something to eat when he will eat.
Scoop's diarrhea has not improved. He was on Tylan for about a week and a half and had just started Baytril and Tramadol a coupe days before she said to stop all meds.This is so upsetting and frustrating.
Does anyone know how long he can be off his Vetoryl without causing any problems?
Thanks for checking up on my Scoop.
if he isn't having cushings symptoms I wouldn't sweat the vetoryl. All vetoryl does is treat the symptoms. I know it leaves their bodies faster than Lysodren.
I'm so sorry he is having these continuous problems. hugs, Judi
there is this stuff that is called biosponge i think....for angry pooh. and it is amazing. and metronzide tablets are awesome as well.
how are his kidneys? i had a client whos baby became very picky and it was a kidney issue.
if its pancreas....i would have surly think the doctor would have said something. are pork chops low fat? you know the other white meat.....wonder if that would be good? i still think nutritionist would be good. And just one thing about the cat treats and foods.......they can wreck horrible havotic on dogs systems. i cant figure why the vet tech would be doing that. Offering gravy from cat food would maybe okay but i would sure be careful with any actual treat or food.
how are YOU doing...you are soooooooooo strong. so very strong. your a beautiful momma. think of you soooooooooooo often and i hope you know you are carried in hearts of all here. you rock.
Skye,
thank you for the tip on the Bio Sponge! I emailed Daisy's IMS to see what she thinks of it. Just in case I can't get her to take the Tylan powder.
i think that is what it is called. Its in a syringe, and the part that pushes in has knotches in it, so its a paste type substance.
Skye, Thank you for your kind words. I'll have to check out bio sponge.
Weird, yesterday and today so far Scoop's poop has been a slight bit better, just a slight bit. He is not on any meds right now except insulin and appetite stimulant. His eating this morning was terrible.
Do you know what the cat treats can do to a dog's system? The vet did say he shouldn't have many of them but not why.
I'm sorry to read about Scoop's food issues of late (as a mom to 3 pugs it hits home as we all know how pugs love their food). Here's some things to try:
Weruva Paw-Lickin Chicken (suitable for a dog w/pancreatitis) - this is basically just shredded chicken in gravy and I use it for tempt-to-eat situations
Honest Kitchen Ice Pups (also suitable for a dog w/pancreatitis) - this is a broth that you can serve warm (its a powder and you add water to it) or you can freeze and serve as ice cubes, dump ice cubes in water bowl etc. I only use it as a warm broth (its chicken + turkey + asparagus and a few other herbs)...basically Jewish chicken soup for dogs/cats. It is substantial enough to cut through the acidity in an empty belly and "prime the pump" so to speak so the dog/cat will want to eat again
Other canned foods to try (that are bland, pancreatitis-suitable and gravy-licious): Lotus chicken and asparagus, Evangers Whole Chicken Thigh (just serve up the meat and water down the broth a bit, Evanger's Hunk of Beef (same just serve up the meat and water down the broth a bit).
I hope you're able to get Scoop to eat and that he (and you) are feeling better soon.
Also so a ? you had about cat food/treats...they are always higher in fat than dog stuff so not suitable for a dog with pancreatitis...in an emergency to get the dog to take a pill or what-not no big deal, but you don't want him to get hooked on canned cat food or the like.
~~Lisa and Vince
I think of you Both often, I know its tough but just wanted you to know I am here for you
I really hope some of Lisas suggestions will work for Sweet Scoop
Big hug, kisses to the boys
Mel
Xxxx
Lisa, Thanks for all the suggestions. They all sound great and I will check them out. If Scoop's eating problems are caused by his tumor growing I just don't know what he will eat anymore. Monday I made a roast in the crockpot with carrots and potatoes. He couldn't get enough of the beef. He also ate carrots and I didn't even have to try to hide them, which doesn't work that great anyway. He can sniff out what he doesn't want. But anything is worth a try.
Hi Vicki,
I just ran across this thread re: a drug that might be helpful as an appetite stimulant. Maybe you can ask your vet about this?
http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3094
It is a human antidepressant that apparently stimulates the appetite in dogs as well as humans, and also might have some small effect on keeping cortisol from getting way high again now that Scoop is off the trilostane.
Marianne
Thanks Marianne.
I just went to the link and that is what the vet has Scoop on. He has been taking it for a week now.
The pills are 15mg. He gets 1/4 tablet every 24 hours.
I wish it could be taken twice a day.
Oh Vicki, I'm sorry I didn't notice he is already taking that drug! :o
As always, sending loving hugs to you and your boys.
Marianne
Sending hugs and prayers, hoping Scoop starts eating better, you are a great Momma to your furbaby!!
That's OK Marianne. I don't think I mentioned the name of it.
Last week when the vet told me to stop all Scoop's meds except insulin and appetite pill, I repeated it. This week when we talked her she said I didn't want you to stop his antibiotics. So that was a week without them but funny thing for a couple days before I restarted them his poop was just a wee bit better. Then yesterday back to total mush. He is spending the day at the vet's for a BG curve. I don't like when he's has to stay with them. Hope they do their job properly.
Hi Vicki, antibiotics can often give dogs an upset tummy and cause the runs. My vet always warns me of that when she gives molly antibiotics.
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin
Hi Vicki:
It sounds like Scoop is a little better! I hope he improves and starts eating well. I am saying an extra special prayer for him today while he goes to stay at the vets. I hope these people know how to treat him today. If not you are a wonderful mommy and I know you will set them straight. Blessings
Patti
just checking in on you two Vicki...sending much love...patty(milo)meka xoxox
Vicki:
Hope this finds Scoop a little better than before. Hugs and kisses to Scoop from Tipper. Blessings
Patti
I am thinking of you both too. Hope Scoop is improving
Big hug, kisses to the boys
Mel
Xxxxx
Vicki:
God Bless you and Scoop, Tipper and we are praying for you both. I know it is hard to get on here and post, as your heart is shattered, so just know we are with you no matter what. Blessings
Patti
Thank you everyone. Hope all is well with you and your furbabies.
Just continuing to pray for Scoop. Been watching the wx in oklahoma and hope all with dogs there are safe!
Hi everyone and thanks.
I know it's been a while since Scoop had his BG curve. The day at the vet seemed to go better than last time and his BG's were decent but that's probably because he doesn't eat like he used to. His eating is getting worse. He doesn't hardly want dog food anymore. He will take a bite and then backs away. He wants to drink water while he eats and then it seems like that's it. There are times he doesn't want anything at all and at times he will eat things that are not good for him. He has lost a little weight. His poops are still horrible.
So hard and frustrating. Is it his tumor or belly problems or IBD. So frustrating and heartbreaking.
Thanks for listening.
Yep if only these babies could talk and tell us what is wrong it would make things a whole lot easier! Hope you and Scoop have a relaxing weekend and you can tempt him with some tasty food! Thinking of you as you keep on fighting the good fight for Scoop! He loves you for it you know! xxx
Vicki:
Does Scoop like meat cooked on the grill?? If I have any eating problems with my cats etc. That is what I do. The smell from the grill really gets them going. I have a cat that I rescued that Tipper hates with a passion. Anyway, he has a problem with the bile ducts from his liver and is on a medication daily for it. Sometimes when his symptoms start up he won't eat. He has lost a lot of weight in the past. I remembered a trick from an old Vet I had in Pittsburgh. You give them Periactin. It works a funny way in animals and makes them really hungry. I give my cat some every other day as if I stop he quits eating. It has some mild side effects for long term continual use, but they are minor in compared to him starving to death. Maybe you could ask the vet if Scoop could have some. Mine are a low milligram and I cut the tablets into 4's so it actually takes very little to stimulate them to eat. God Bless You and Scoop, I pray for you every day, and pray for a miracle for Scoop.
Patti
aww Vicki our poor litl buddy..... he has to get a break soon (as you do as well)I am sending prayers,love,light and virtual hugs and kisses to you both...we are up the country till Tuesday (we all needed a nice quiet break away from the city,plan to do this lots this year)here for ya hun...patty(milo)meka xoxox
Vicki,
I got your messages. Thank you so much. :)I am so sorry that you and Scoop have been having such a hard time. It is very sad that our precious babies have to go through so much turmoil. There is no way that I could afford surgery for Buddy, but I would like to ask Dr. B about some medication options.
Thanks again Vicki and bless you and Scoop,
Hugs,
Kathy
Aw Scoop, hope his appetite gets better, so hard when they don't want food, did u ever try eggs or egg whites? Simba likes that when he has tummy troubles? Sending hugs and prayers......
Vicki:
Prayers to you and Scoop, and a very special request to God to give Scoop a miracle.
Blessings
Patti
Trish-Thank you. It sure would make things a lot easier if they could tell us how they feel.
Patty-Thanks, we sure could use a break. Hope you're enjoying your time in the country.
Letti-Scoop used to love eggs. Sometimes my daughter buys the egg whites in a carton and he would eat them. He has been so, so picky lately. One time he will eat something and then he won't. I had Boston Market rotisserie chicken yesterday and he gobbled it up. This morning he hardly ate any dog food (like usual lately) so I tried some leftover chicken. He didn't want to have anything to do with it.
Kathy- You're welcome. I hope Dr. B can help you. I wish I lived near there and could take Scoop to see him. He seems like such a caring person. I wish his meds for shrinking the tumors were on the market. Available for anyone instead of still in the trial phase. Just think of all the animals it will help if it is a success. God bless Dr. B for everything he has done and will do to help our babies. I told him a little bit about Scoop and he said he didn't think surgery would be an option but he didn't say why. It even went through my head, maybe could I live in LA for 6 Months to try the meds. So darn frustrating.
Patti-Thank you for all your prayers. Memorial weekend we cooked on the grill and Scoop did enjoy that. It's so strange though how something appeals to him, then it doesn't. He had some Arby's the other day. The enthusiasm he had when he ate that was like my younger Scoop was here. I will check out the Periactin. Scoop is taking an appetite stimulant every 24 hours. It's Mirtazapine. Can't really say if it's making a difference. His eating is just all over the place.
In the morning he eats about 5-6 bites of dog food then he won't want any more. I try to disguise it but that doesn't work. Sometimes he refuses to eat anything more and sometimes he will eat something like lunchmeat or dog treats. I try to get him to eat anything. Then there's the matter of his insulin. I have never been able to home test Scoop. I know his BG curve was decent but at the time he was eating more dog food. I'm not sure if he needs the full amount. Sometimes I cut it back. He drinks a lot of water. After he eats his couple bites of dog food, he just has to have water. I know not being on the Vetoryl will make him drink more but he started drinking more while he was still taking it but now it's even more. Maybe his kidney problem is making him drink more. I don't know.
Since Scoop hasn't been on Vetoryl he hardly trembles any more. Occasionally he does but to me they just seem a little different. Maybe more pain related. Maybe from belly troubles? I have Tramadol but he is usually sleeping and they don't last that long. He still sleeps a lot. I thought maybe the Vetoryl was making him sleep a lot but that doesn't seem to be the case. I asked Dr. Bruyette if a large tumor can cause them to sleep a lot. He said, yes.
Does anyone know if it is OK for a dog with protein in the urine to take Pepcid?
Hey Vicki
I don't know so bumping your thread in case your question was missed
Hope you and the little guy are having a good day today
Big hug
Mel
Xxxxxxxx