Tipper - adrenal tumor/breathing issues

Leslie:
Thank you as always. I will wait and see if you find anything else. What is the Queen up to? is it real cold there this morning? Blessings
Patti

The comments so far support what I found - same info. Where did you read that it was contraindicated for CHF? Cat Lane has this to say -

"I use hawthorn all the time, preventively and with DCM, heart murmur and renal disease.! It may be contraindicated with some drugs used for CHF, it may potentiate digitalis, for example. Is this dog on enalapril, vetmedin or any of the standard drugs? Furosemide?

The cautions regarding useage with various cardiac drugs are pretty standard, but otherwise this is a very safe herb.

I use hawthorn as part of a comprehensive whole that starts with diet, fatty acids, coQ10, taurine and so on. There's a lot of other options to consider in putting together a protocol for CHF.

I put my partner's 15 1/2 year old Lab on hawthorn 6 years ago, among other things, she still has great energy, pulses, no sign of disease. Can't say it's any one thing nor does one example prove a point, but I feel very safe and positive using hawthorn as part of a geriatric health protocol."

So far, she's the only one to respond.

I don't see anything in the Cardio Strength that should be an issue with the Hawthorn, but double check with your vet first. ;)

The dosing according to Dr.s Wynne and Fougere is as follows -

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Dried herb - 25-300 mg/kg given TID

Infusions and decoctions - 5-30 grams per cup of water, with 1/4-1/2 per 10kg (20lbs) cup of tea given TID

Tincture - 1:2 or 1:3 ratio; 0.5-1.5ml per 10kg 20lbs) given TID and diluted or combined with other herbs. Higher doses may be appropriate if the herb is used singly and is not combined in a formula.

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Dogs typically find glycerite tinctures more palatable than alcohol tinctures and Mountain Rose Herbs has a glycerite tincture of Hawthorn.

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/ext...php#xgly_gl_ha

Alcohol tinctures can be used and I use the boiling water to ameliorate the alcohol content a bit with the steam escaping...but you also lose part of the active oils that way.

If you prefer to use the dry herb, MRH has that as well and I trust their sources.

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/sea...thorn&x=15&y=8

You'll want the leaf and flowers.

Again - be sure to run all of this by your vet before starting her on it. ;)

Hi Patty.... about the muscle twitching. Keesh really sleeps much sounder now then when younger, plus he's a little deaf. I have noticed while sleeping he is much more active. Legs twitching, body moving but he doesn't wake up. When younger I thought it was cute and he was dreaming, I still think that but he's in a much deeper sleep. Could this be the same with Tipper?

Glad you are enjoying the cooler weather. I hate it knowing winter is on the way. I'm a warm weather person, and why I was not blessed to be born in a warm climate is beyond me.

Judi:
I would say it could be her sleep pattern, but with this adrenal tumor I am leary, and concerned it is that. She has never twitched and had skin rippling until I put her on the Vetoryl. Her one eyebrow goes crazy and her eye twitches, and I have never seen this in her before. Her breathing at the time of this also changes and gets more rapid and louder. I can only pray it is her sleep pattern, but I am scared it is something else. She is doing wonderful in the cool weather. You sound like you should live in Florida!! Canada is so beautiful though, I am sure you would miss it. Blessings
Patti

Hi Everyone:
Tipper had another good nite last nite. After talking it over with the Dr. and Leslie I am going to start Tipper on Hawthorne for her heart. We went to the vets and got her blood pressure and weight done this morning. I cannot get this weight back off her, but the blood pressure was really good. I have had 2 friends in the last two weeks call here. The one I have known for 20 some years. Neither one even asked if Tipper was still alive. Why is it that people want to think you have mental problems if you truly love your dog??? They always act like there is something wrong with me for taking the best care I can of Tipper. It really sets me off, and I forget about it until the next person does it to me. So many people in this country regard pets as disposable items and it sickens me. I wish more people in the US would start regarding pets as family like it should be. I am already depressed enough thank you about my dogs disease, I don't need so called friends trying to make me feel bad about helping my dog. I don't call anyone else trying to make them feel bad about their life. The one friend several years ago had her dog pass away, and she was a basket case. She called me immediately and I did consul her. Do people just forget these things or are they selfish? This has me on a rant now, so I need to compartmentalize it. I have been through so much with this dog that I really don't give a____ who likes it! It is very cool, and we had frost and fog this morning again. This is Tipper weather! Last nite for the second nite Tipper was a little hungrier than usual. I have to keep an eye on this, she may still need bumped up a notch or two. Blessings
Patti

Patti,
I am passing on the advice I was given when Buddy was so I'll. I was told to toughen up and not let others get to me. It is nobody's business how you choose to care for your fur babies or what you choose to spend your money on. Others do not have to understand. It is not your problem. It is theirs. You have enough on your plate to worry about such trivial matters. Big hugs,

Kathy:
Thank you, it just gets to me when people especially ones that I know well, are so rude about my Tipper. Blessings
Patti

Hi Everyone:
Another decent nite for Tipper. I am so glad those breathing struggles are behind us now. Tipper is really acting a lot better in the cooler weather. I am struggling to get this weight off her. If I could just get 8 ounces off it would put her back where she needs to be. She has no appointments until Wednesday the 3rd. What a relief for her it will be not to have to go to any vet for a few days. It is really frosty out there this morning, had to put Tipper's vest on her again. She loves smelling in the cool air, and is so much more relaxed. Blessings
Patti

Great update Patti!:) I am thrilled that Tipper is getting a little break from vet visits and I'm glad the cooler weather is helping. I hope you are feeling better also. xxxx