Confused and Overwhelmed-Diagnosed Anal Sac Carcinoma (Woody has passed)

Tracey:
Oh my God I am praying with Tipper. I am saying a pray to St. Francis also. This is horrible for you, I am so sorry Tracy I wish I was there to help you thru this. God Bless you Both. Let us know how he does.
Patti

Sending many positive thoughts for Woody. So sorry this is happening.

C'mon Woody... up and at it.... praying for you.

I would be tempted to throw a blanket over him so he can't bite then get him to the vet. How is he doing now? How are YOU?

Waiting to hear how you both are.... can't stop thinking about either one of you... praying very hard at this end.

Come on Woody we are all with you on this, you can do it I know you can! Prayers, Prayers and more Prayers going out to you and your mom Woody.

Paws up Woody, thinking of you and your mum

Hope your both doing ok Tracy, we are all right beside you.

Big hug

Mel
Xxxxxx

Thank you everyone we are both home phew. We saw Emma the vet and she spent over an hour with us. His gum colour was pink and good, his temp was good, heart rate was 120 which she said was good considering his stress. She couldn't hear any fluid around the heart but he did look bloated. She also said he looked like he was in pain and walking funny. She said thru all this he has never looked so unwell, as usual he looks not bad all things considered. He was . given tramadol and an injection to help with the possible fluid. She said maybe the tumour was given him the pain. We had "the talk" and I have a lot to think about but right now I just pray he makes it thru the night :mad:

Tracy:
Thank God . I was so nervous waiting to see what was going on. Poor Woody and poor you. Did Emma say what she thinks is causing this? Could he have fluid build up from his heart? Isn't that one of the tests you had done the other day was on the heart, and echo? If so do they have the results yet? I am wondering what the heck can be wrong here. I am happy you are home, but I guess now you will have to figure out the cause of this before it happens again. Thank God you are able to handle all this. I am so sorry this is happening to your sweet buy. Hugs and Kisses from Tipper and I to you and Woody.

I can only imagine how worried and frightened you are, honey. :( I would have been hard pressed to leave without a clear answer as to why this keeps happening. Of course, there may not be a clear answer which would make it that much worse. :( My thoughts and prayers remain with you both.

Hugs,
Leslie and the gang

Tracy, I'm awfully sorry you and Woody are going through this terrible time again. I just watched his video again from only a few days ago and he looked so awesome in that video. It's so hard to imagine that he could be seriously ill. It just seems so wrong and cruel that anything could be going wrong inside his perfectly healthy looking body. He looks like a picture perfect. I hope he will bounce right back in no time and provide us a lot of smiles with more of his crazy head spinning turning skill. I know it's hard but I hope you stay strong for your Woody and give him lots and lots of love and kisses and hugs. Please, try to take a good care of yourself, too as Woody needs you. We will do all the crying and worrying for Woody. Hugs.

Glad to hear you are home. I'm really hoping Woody improves through the night. I've had "the talk" as well, but we just keep plugging on. Sure hope this is a fluke happening again and all is well tomorrow.

I am at work so can't follow up until tonight but I suspect that was an episode from the pheo. You didn't provide a ton of detail and Annie never fully collapsed as in 'out of it' but she would be running along and then a leg would give out with no warning. She would lay down and close her eyes and breath quickly. At this time I believe the blood flowed from her heart to her brain and within a few minutes it stopped. She was usually sweaty and her skin was bright red afterwards. She would be tired also. And then she would be fine.

I share in the event it helps. Sending bunches and bunches of love. Kim (and Annie from above)

Leslie/Patti - Emma my vet said going on the symptoms it sounded heart related, but his heart sounded healthyish to hear taking into account his murmour, she said it didn,t sound any worse, but off course it may well be worse. She was concerned that he was walking funny really uncomfortable looking and we both thought he was in pain, she couldn,t feel anything obvious on his abdomen when she examined him.

This collapse was so like the last, only I actually knew it was going to happen before it did, as he was lying on the floor, stood up looked at me and put his head down, not sure why but I knew he was going to go, so I stood behind him, talking quietly to him and sure enough down he went on his right side, I was very calm and waited till he came round. The last time this happened he was up on his feet in about 10 mins afterwards, but he couldn,t get up this time, so I tried scooping him up but he nipped my arm, Craig told me to let him "come to" in his own time as he didn,t need anymore stress. It took him about an hour to stand and another 30 mins to get down the stairs and into the car as he could barely walk. It felt like the longest time sitting there with him on the floor willing him to get up. I tried to be upbeat and positive when I was sitting with him, telling him funny stories but inside I was crying "get up woody" Sorry I,ve gone all mordally. The vet thinks other possibilities is that the tumour is now causing him pain, and may be causing the collapse, as it could have went to the heart or even the brain. Woody is due at the hospital on Wednesday for a scan and to get an ECG done, but I will speak with them tomorrow to see if this is still safe, as woody will need sedated and that is worrying me now.

Thank you all so much for the hand holding I can,t tell you what it means as I,m scared, really scared but he,s a little fighter and I hope he can fight on some more. Emma my vet calls him The Legend as she thinks he is a legend to go through all this and still wag his tail, but even she said tonight he didn,t look good.:(

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Originally Posted by frijole

I am at work so can't follow up until tonight but I suspect that was an episode from the pheo. You didn't provide a ton of detail and Annie never fully collapsed as in 'out of it' but she would be running along and then a leg would give out with no warning. She would lay down and close her eyes and breath quickly. At this time I believe the blood flowed from her heart to her brain and within a few minutes it stopped. She was usually sweaty and her skin was bright red afterwards. She would be tired also. And then she would be fine.

I share in the event it helps. Sending bunches and bunches of love. Kim (and Annie from above)

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Thanks Kim, we did think it could be coming from the adrenal mass, did Annie ever look like she was in pain with her pheo or walk funny. Woody had a funny gait really wide and was almost like he was walking without bending his legs it was really weird.

That head dropping is what Tasha would do just before she had a seizure but then she would stiffen and shake, eyes rolled way back - obvious seizure. The seizures, or what we think are seizures, that Sophie has are nothing like that - she just becomes terrified of things and seems not to recognize anyone. I wondered about Woody's BP maybe spiking then dropping too low but didn't consider that the unknown, un-located cancer cells could be causing these spells. I think I would keep the appt. tomorrow, explain what has happened and see if there is something they can look into that might give you more of an answer, "why", what can be done, and what the prognosis is.

That's ok, honey. You can cry, scream, whatever you need to do.
Hugs,,
Leslie and the gang

omg Tracy. How terrifying. You must be just sick inside, but good for you to keep calm on the outside for Woody's sake. It does seem so unbelievable after looking at the video. Does he still seem to be in pain?

I don't know what is causing this, but I sure hope that they can figure it out, there just seems that there should be something that can be done. :(

We're all right here with you.
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

Sharlene He doesn,t look to be in pain now, but he has been in his bed resting since we came home, he isn,t sleeping just resting. This is what I find so hard to accept that he has been so good, playful, walking albeit not as far as we used to go after his first collapse then this today I don,t get it I really don,t and the experts don,t seem to have any answers either its so damn hard.

But I have to try and stay positive that he will get over this collapse like he did the last one :)

I certainly hope he gets over it too. They need to get this figured out, what is causing these. He never collapsed before, so I just find it strange that he is so good at one point and then kaboom. Maybe it is like Kim said and a pheo that is acting up, but taking so long to come out of it and then acting like he is in pain, well, it makes you wonder what is really going on.

Poor guy. He is such a trooper though everything. It seems impossible that there is anything he can't overcome.

Hang in there! (and p.s. you can have my snow any time you want. Now just have to figure out how to ship it over from Canada. :) )

hugs,
Sharlene and molly muffin

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Thanks Kim, we did think it could be coming from the adrenal mass, did Annie ever look like she was in pain with her pheo or walk funny. Woody had a funny gait really wide and was almost like he was walking without bending his legs it was really weird.

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Absolutely she got 'wooden legs' just like you described. Her pain seemed to be a headache. I'm guessing of course but she kept her eyes closed and she squinted some afterward. Then she'd be totally normal.

Again I got the description of what a pheo is like when active from going to a human forum so I am totally assuming there are similarities. It helped me understand Annie's situation. Specifically the humans said they could feel the blood vessels enlarge as the blood rushed from their heart to their brains and some got migraines afterward.

Kim

Tracy:
I talked with Glynda a while back. She posted a question asking about Tipper's gait and if it was wide. I never heard back though, as Addy said Zoe does this too. I think we need to ask Glynda what this means as she obviously knows. Blessings
Patti

Thanks Kim I am up to pg 80 on Annie's thread. This does sound like Woody wooden legs is exactly him. His legs don't seem so wooden now and not in pain but he was in pain earlier of that I'm sure. He has a US booked in 2 days time with some more tests on his heart so we,ll see what that brings. Did you notice if Annie's colour changed Woody went pale almost blue like guess that's lack of oxygen

Tracy:
No need ever to thank me for praying for you both. I felt like it was a privilege to pray for your Woody as he is a real trooper, and I have gotten so fond of him and his antics. I pray to God someone somehow can get this figured out for you. I know you are a strong woman to make it thru all you have. Thank God the vet explained what to do after he had the first one and you were perfect at it. You rest with your baby you both deserve it. God Bless You Both
Patti

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Thanks Kim I am up to pg 80 on Annie's thread. This does sound like Woody wooden legs is exactly him. His legs don't seem so wooden now and not in pain but he was in pain earlier of that I'm sure. He has a US booked in 2 days time with some more tests on his heart so we,ll see what that brings. Did you notice if Annie's colour changed Woody went pale almost blue like guess that's lack of oxygen

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Annie was a white schnauzer so her ski was like an alibino's. So she was always white but her skin turned bright pink/red during and immediately after.

In retrospect I am sure Annie's 'heart murmur' was simply the tumor. One vet caught it the others not - that's because the blood pressure and breathing episodes were sporadic and almost NEVER when visiting a vet... another reason it took so long for us to get her diagnosed. Kim

Oh no, I did not want to read Woody had another funny turn today. How scary for you both Tracy, I am so sorry you have had to go through that again. Your description sounds like you handled it really well although I am sure your heart was pounding ten to the dozen. I think I would have been like Leslie and scooped him into a blanket and whizzed him off if he bit me or not!

What did they say last week about the adrenal tumour again? Were they thinking it might be a pheo? It is a shame your local vet has no BP equipment, so you could see what was going on there. I would be ringing the specialists and trying to get him seen asap, if there was some bleeding going on or anything like that an urgent scan is needed. Can you ring and try get him in today? I think the worry of light sedation for a scan is outweighed by the necessity of finding out what is going on. He is in pain like you said, so we need to find the cause. It could be something bleeding or a pheo but whatever it is it is making him really sick with going blue etc... but really we are all just guessing until they can come up with some form of diagnosis for it.

I hope you both got some rest last night, your poor frazzled nerves. That boy is so good at other times we just need to get to the bottom of what is causing these collapses and get it sorted out. I don't think it is time for "the talk" just yet Tracey, not until we know what it is!! :confused:

I will be here for a couple of hours if you get up early and want to talk xxxx

How is Woody doing today? How are you actually today?

Hi Tracy,
I didn't have a chance to post yesterday, but wanted you to know that I am so sorry for what happened with Woody and I worried about you both all day. How scary for you. I hope you both have had a quiet night and were able to get some rest. I am also hoping that your vets can figure out what is going on with your sweet boy. I will be keeping Woody in my prayers.

Big hugs,
Tina and Jasper

We made it thru the night hooray. It was a long night he stayed inside his crate all night and just stared into space. He did watch me when I moved. I got a little sleep. He seems brighter this morning and has asked for food he isn't walking funny anymore and managed the stairs quite well something he couldn't do yesterday.

Trish I did think something was going on inside his abdomin but I don't know what. I will contact the hospital at 9 am this morning. It could be fluid around the heart or it could be the adrenal mass. They haven't taken a pheo of the table yet and last week his BP was all right think the highest was 170 but that was after much poking and prodding so they said it could be white coat syndrome. I think I aged 10 yrs yesterday

So what, your 30 now?!?

Glad you had an OK night, hope he got some sleep too... be waiting here to see what they say when you ring. Hopefully you can take him in for a scan. xx

Called the hospital Ian and Laura are on ward rounds, but once I explained they said they would put out an emergency call to them. Woody is back inside his crate just staring into space, but doesn,t look as uncomfortable as he did last night, the poor boy although he is better than yesterday still isn,t quite right. He was perkier last time after his first collapse albeit a bit quiet but he looked better the last time, I think there is something going on inside him :( So we wait patiently (read as pacing floors staring at the phone) for the hospital to ring us.

Has he eaten, done a pee and poop?

If they have not rung back in 5 mins, ring them again!! He needs to see them today. Put your bossy voice on!!

Actually, I wouldn't feed him in case they do need to sedate him for scan.

Too late Trish when he asked for food when he got up, I was so pleased he wanted to eat that I gave him a little food, I didn,t think idiot that I am I could kick myself.

He does need to get sedated for scans as he wriggles and won,t stay still. Gosh I,m an idiot

That's OK, sometimes they do not need to be fasted. Have they called yet? If not, if it was me I would be calling back to tell the receptionist I am on my way with Woody and to tell Ian to expect me.

We,re on our way to hospital will update when I can

We are all thinking of you over here. Sending love and positive vibes your way. Kim

Prayers and positive thoughts being sent your way. I will check from work for updates when I can.

Big hugs,
Tina and Jasper

Tracy:
I am with you 100% on all of this. You aren't an idiot, after all you have been through it would be hard to even think, so don't blame yourself. I am hoping this brings some much needed answers. I am praying for you both and will continue to do so. You are doing wonderful, and Woody is very fortunate you are his mom. Blessings
Patti

My thoughts and prayers are with you and Woody

You are both surrounded by the wings of the angels here, by much love, and much hope. We will be "waiting patiently" to hear what they had to say.

Hugs,
Leslie and the gang