new from europe (arthritis and vetoryl?) - Ian, Flynn and Enya have passed

i can only hope this #$%^&*weather will be over soon for you and tipper!
it seems the weather is off everywhere.
we get tropical temp. next week with very sticky nights.
i don't have air conditioning so i hope ian is doing ok.
not at all my kind of weather.
there are people with tropical birds or pidgeons or fish who don't like cats too in my neighborhood.
after my last walk with the dogs i will keep him inside during the night.
i don't want him to climb on an aviary and upsetting the birds at night.
my neighbors who are addicted to cannabis do have too many cats which they don't care for very well. they roam everywhere for food.
they do have a lot of flees etc. so the tollerance of the neighborhood regarding cats is declining!
hope you all have a good night sleep.

Iris:
The weather around the world seems to be getting worse and many natural disasters etc. Warm places are getting cool and vice versa. It is dark today, and sprinkling with showers in the forecast today, but no thunder expected. Tipper will be ok with that. It is hard on dogs when you get sticky hot weather, so I hope your Ian does ok as I know the heat and humidity bother the cush dogs. I used to wipe Tipper down with a cool wet towel before she went walking. I have a harness now that has a cool pack you put in the freezer and it goes underneath to keep her core cool. I use it all the time in the summer as she has that heart murmur, and needs to be cool. The pack is about 8 inches long so it does a good portion of her body, then I just put it back in the freezer. You would be surprised how it gets melted from her body heat. Deloras cat seems to be fitting in nicely at the new home. She has a huge one story ranch house with a basement to run it too. There is a big bay window in the living room where she can lay and watch the birds, which is her favorite past time. Delora is worse just since yesterday I must get over there to see her again as I don't think this is going to be going on long. Your neighbors sound like real goof balls that don't take care of their animals. I saw a kitten this morning on the news come out of a house that had been demolished by a tornado, it was in bad shape, but is living and being cared for. They are trying to find the rest of the litter. Blessings
Patti

i am glad that delora's cat has found such a good home!
and glad too that you and tipper had a thunderstorm free day!
the weather this week will be a test if ian can handle this type of hot weather.
just walking in the forest or near/''in" the river will do i hope.
they never wear a collar or a harness. i don't want them to get stuck anywhere in the bushes or in the water.
for now, walk the doggies and off to bed!

Iris:
I always imagine such a beautiful place in my head when you talk of walking by the river. There was frost on the ground this morning, and we are down in the 30's to start off the day, but at least no rain. Tipper slept ok and so did I, but never long enough to get revived. I am going to take it easy today my joints are giving me trouble this morning. I am hoping the Bach Remedy comes early in the week as we are to get rain Thursday. Blessings
Patti

yes, the river is a very beautiful place to walk and swim.
there is a project going on to make the river banks more natural.
they create beaches and puddles with low and warmer water as a nursery for fish. there are ferries everywhere if you want to cross the river.
in summer it can be very crowded during the day at the most popular spots, so i move to the less popular ones, the "'muddy beaches"'.
most people prefer the sandy ones.
ian was a bit slower today on his walks [hot] but handled it well so far.

Iris:
Wow maybe you can take some pictures sometime and show me, I would love to see where you go, it sounds wonderful. You are so lucky to be near a spot like that where your babies can go. Maybe Ian was having an off day, or could the humidity be creeping up again?? We had frost this morning and the dogs have already walked once. I am making some homemade candy bars, I usually give a lot of them away. Keeps my mind off things. Tipper had some bad tremors last nite again, I just hate seeing them it is very unnerving. Blessings
Patti

It does sound lovely by the river.
It could be the heat bothering Ian.

Hugs sharlene

sharlene and patti, yes it is definitely the heat and humidity bothering ian [and his sister and myself]
it is getting hotter every day now, bleehhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i do not have a smart phone or digital camera, but i do have pictures on photobucket.
i will place them overhere when i found them.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...psfbe26e69.jpg
this is ian's brother joris and their other dog baron visiting us.
ian and joris and their mom.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...ei20083056.jpg
one big happy family [5 or 6 years ago]
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...enya/alle4.jpg
more to come.

Love the pictures.

They do all look like they were a happy bunch together.

Sharlene and molly muffin

Iris:
I loved looking at the pictures. They all look like they are having a good old doggie time in that water. They are all beautiful dogs. I am taking Tipper tomorrow for Adequan. I must use the herbs on her today as we are to get storms later again! The Bach Remedy will not be here until the 30th. Did you mean that the people over there keep dosing them with the Bach remedy all in one day? Is it safe to keep giving so it has some lasting effects? I am tired after yesterday I worked all day making jelly and candy. I gave a lot away to the neighbors, and will give some to the girls at the vets as they treat my Tipper well. Blessings
Patti

hi patti, i think those people on the forum talked about some relax chinese herb mix. there are so many of them. they used it non stop during storms or fireworks to build up some sort of steady level.
others used zylkene or telizen. both natural.
i don't know if they sell it in the usa.
some used bach rescue. is that what you ordered for tipper?
i never needed it, so i am no expert.
mjammie....candy with caramel.......do you have some leftovers??
we do have thunderstorms right now, but not much rain yet.
the weather forecast for the next days is; hot, humid and thunderstorms....................so i won't send our weather to you.....

Hi Iris:
Well we have had rain, and thunder off and on all day. I have had to turn the heat off and put the air on it is so hot. I made homemade yeast rolls today, and passed some to my neighbors. The whole house smelled of bread baking. Tipper got no bp today as she was wound up from the rain and it would be useless. She got her shot of Adequan. I gave the girls there some candy. They gave a piece to the vet, and called me because he said he wants the recipe for his wife to make some. Maybe I can bribe him with candy?? It is so hot I am glad the oven is off, but needed a warm house to make the rolls rise. The Bachs should be here by the 30th, I am anxious to try it. Delora is so sick she could not talk to me today. I feel so bad for her. I guess you see a lot of this in your work? I am tired after all this work so I am resting tomorrow. Please send good weather to us!! I hope poor Ian is not having to deal with humidity today. Does it bother Enya? Have a good walk. Blessings
Patti

hi patti, hot and humid overhere too, and we do not like it.
so i will not send our weather to your area.
so slow walks near the riverside.
unfortunately i see a lot of ''delora cases"' in my work.
family is busy, busy.....''no time"' to visit mom and dad.
everyone has an health insurance in our country, so everybody can visit a doctor or hospital with cheap taxi's, vans equiped for wheelchairs etc. etc.
but a problem is that they are closing psychiatric wards and want those people to live among "'the normal people", but that does not work.
more and more i have to work with those people who can't manage their own household.
my neighbors are like that too, and their social security payment is much higher than my income.
ian is in his stubborn phase and wants to jump in the car by himself.
today he managed to do it, so i let him.
he is still very strong.........
hope you will have a quiet day tomorrow without thunderstorms.

Iris:
We got a break only 49 degrees now. Tipper loves it. It sounds like Ian has a mind of his own, like little miss tipper! It has been dark and looking like rain all day! There was a garage sale here earlier and the dogs went crazy from hearing people. I am tired and hope we have a quiet nite here for once. Hope the cooler temps come to you from here. Blessings
Patti

hi patti, it is a bit cooler right now, but still sticky.
hope there will be no more garage sales tomorrow.
all peace and quiet....and a good night sleep.
ian is eating his vetoryl with gourmet fish [catfood from a very small can]
it is a hit so far..........fingers crossed.

Hi Iris :
It is cool this morning with frost on the ground and the furnace coming on! What a swing in temperatures! I am glad Ian is doing well and is still strong. Tipper is still strong too, I am just fearful of something knocking her down. In the back of my mind everyday is this tumor situation. She is surely loving the cooler temps to walk in though. I walked them before the garage sales start and all the people come as Toby cannot keep his mouth shut and barks at people. He was really socialized as a puppy too, don't know why he is so goofy?? The situation you described with all the psychiatric people is awful. And people making more money getting paid by the government than you who works so much is terrible. I guess they just sit home and don't even attempt to work, or they would be making less? Hope you have a good weekend with the babies. I am going to clean this cat room Saturday or Sunday! Blessings
Patti

Hi Iris:
Hoping you and the babies are going to have a good walk. Are you working this weekend? I hope you get a rest. Tipper has laser therapy this Tuesday and then Bp on Wednesday. So I need to get rested up for all these appointments again. The garage sales are still today so I will keep the doggies in. Have you ever tried bubbles with your dogs? My dogs love them and jump and chase them in the wind. Blessings
Patti

And people making more money getting paid by the government than you who works so much is terrible. I guess they just sit home and don't even attempt to work, or they would be making less?

yes, that is so true, more and more people are getting paid sitting home and do nothing.
and they will keep you up all night.
their cars are newer than mine and their shopping carts filled with piles of expensive [junk] food.

so glad that ian and tipper are still very [head] strong.
hope they will stay this way for a long time.
it is still pretty hot, but not so sticky anymore, so we have made a long walk in the forest.
hope your spring cleaning is finished after the cat room.
i am going to take a nap now and will come back on this forum later.

Hi Iris:
We are in for a hot one today and the humidity is already rising. I have already walked the dogs. Tipper had a vestibular episode last nite when I went to take her potty. It was a small one compared to the others. It always scares me as some dogs heads stay there crooked and never go back to normal. Hope your temperatures agree with Ian. I do think the walking them does help combat this disease. We have laser therapy tomorrow so the vacation form appointments is over. The garage sales are all over so now things can go back to normal. Blessings
Patti

hi patti, it was hot and humid today again. not happy with it.
we had a mild thunderstorm today with not much rain. [it is pretty dry out here]
yes, i am convinced the exercise keeps our dogs in shape [and us too].
i do only know the vestibular disease version with old dogs, who suffer for days afterwards with no longer being able to stand on their feet, eat or drink by themselves. they are sick and dizzy because of the nystagmus.
the short ones tipper has i have never heared of. does she recover quick from them?
i am glad at least everything is back to normal in your street after all those garage sales.
hope the weather will be ok tomorrow in your area.

Iris:
Tipper does not get a real bad episode compared to some of the videos I have seen of dogs, but it is bad enough. She just has so many issues since getting Cushings. It is humid and rained a bit during the nite. As soon as Tipper heard it she ran in the closet, and was afraid to go out this morning, until she realized no thunder yet. It is to get worse this afternoon. She continues on with laser therapy as at times I can see her leg bothers her, and she has developed a small sway back for her musculoskeletal system changes due to Cushings so I am just trying to be proactive and treat her as I know that weight pulling down on her back from her stomach muscles giving way has to hurt and make her back ache. I am trying to keep her as pain free as possible without drugs. I am guessing Ian is not liking your weather either? This humidity and Tipper's breathing problems coupled with a heart murmur do not mix well at all. She stays in with the air on so she can breath easier. She does tend to get real naughty if not walked enough. These dogs need their energy burned off. I guess Enya is the healthy one of the bunch now? How old is she? Hope you have a good day with the babies. Blessings
Patti

hi patti, hot and humid with some rain here too.
ian's back is looking a bit hollow right now.
just as you mentioned about the weakening of the stomach muscles.
they sort of pull the back down.
is this what you see with tipper too?
enya is 12 years old [turned 12 may 2]
ian is 14 months older. [same parents, different litter]
enya has artrose in her front legs. years ago she hurt one of her front legs in an swimming accident and tore a tendon, which could not been operated on because of a big cut from the glas in the water.
it healed pretty well, but you can see the damage from this accident in the way she is using her front legs now she is getting older.
but i still try to keep us in shape by making long walks as long as it is not too hot.
hope you and tipper have ""a dry night"' without thunder.

Iris:
Yes that is what I see in Tipper, it has to put a terrible strain on her back. She was moving all around yesterday when getting her laser therapy like something hurt and she did not want to do the therapy. She is on high alert as a storm is on the way, so her bp was up from it when they took it today. I wish I could get her calm, that is all I am concerned about. Does Ian ever act like his back bothers him? Wen Tipper walks she has a body harness that is made out of Nylon and I cinch it a little snug on her as I think they may help to hold the weight of that belly up while she walks. I am so sick of storms, I am worn out from this all. So Enya is up there in years too. I wish they lived longer, it is heartbreaking to lose them. Blessings
Patti

no, i do not think his back bothers him, but he had a bit of a lame frontleg today. they are a bit stiff anyway because of the vetoryl.
yes, both doggies are getting older, so it is not a nice thought that our time together is running out.
their mother died of kidney failure at age 14.
the weather is off here too, but i can imagine that you are so fed up with those eternal thunderstorms.
especially since tipper is so afraid of them.
hope you had some nice walks today.
it is raining now, so i hope the dogs do their business fast before going to bed.

Iris:
That is my only qualm about having a dog, is the life span and my extreme attachment to them. My last dog died from cancer at 7. I was so devastated I researched the breeds before getting Tipper two years later to see what breeds had longevity. The Jack Russell lives to 17-18 years old, but I see that has done me no good either. Tipper was really up last nite with this throat and mouth thing going on. I have emailed the IMS to ask her opinion. She is having trouble swallowing right now as I am typing this. This Cushings sure brings on a host of other problems! It is getting real hot outside so the dogs are in for the day unless it cools off on the porch. Hope you are able to get a walk in. That is good that Ian's back does not hurt, when you pet Tipper you can feel a divet in her back in the middle. Blessings
Patti

yes, it is a pity dogs do not live very long. large dogs die younger than small dogs, but at age 12 most dogs do get health problems.
in my experience cats live longer than dogs.
in ian's case the only side effect of using vetoryl is the stiffness in his front legs.
no complications from having cushing's as far as i know.
flynn's symptoms were very bad. so i have experienced 2 totally different varieties of cushing's.
it was cool outside so we did 5 walks. [also because it was a national holiday today]
long day of work tomorrow, so i have to go to bed now.
sleep well.

Hi Iris:
I am going to have the vet see if Tipper has a sinus infection on Wednesday. I am waiting to hear for the IMS and the Cardiologist about the questions I asked them. It was cooler here yesterday and Tipper loved it. It is cool again this morning, but I see the humidity is due back next week. I am waiting to get an appointment with the pain clinic for this pain in my chest. It has made me feel miserable all week. I will be calling and bugging them soon if I do not hear anything. I hope you get some of this cooler weather over there. Blessings
Patti

pain clinics are for people IN PAIN!
why don't they answer your calls? are you on pain meds already?
can you increase the dosage maybe to give you some relief?
do they know what causes the pain in your chest?
i am interested in what might help tipper with her breathing problems since i do have the same issues as tipper has.
i always do have a sore throat, maybe this is the case with tipper too?
this spring it is worse too.
i love the cooler weather too.
today was ok, but the temp. will be higher next days.
i can handle this as long as the nights are cool and not sticky.
no airco here.

Iris;
I had a mammogram last year and the tech was looking away for a few seconds and the machine compressed me like a pancake and hurt me badly. It pulled something on my chest wall and I was black and blue, and green the size of your hand. I called and told them the next day and they had a Dr. call me back who told me unfortunately this would take a long time to heal. Well it is a year later and I still have trouble raising that arm and have stabbing pains constantly in that area. All I want is a nerve block to stop this it is killing me. The heating pad gives me some relief, but starts right back up again. I called the director of radiology and told her I have insurance, but what it does not pay would they be willing to pay? Hey this is not my fault, and I am trying to be nice about this. I cannot get a mammogram now this year as the pain would be intolerable. The hospital said they will send me a letter stating what they will do. How kind of them. So they know someone else would have just sued them, and not just asked for help??? Seems really like a stupid move to me. So I am waiting for my Dr. to fill out the form the pain clinic requested, even though my Dr. wrote me a referral on his letterhead. They said they only accept their forms!! What a bunch of malarkey, as I am not functioning well they are playing paper games. it is cool her the morning and Tipper has already walked. We are to go into the 80's so she will be in . Is the Cruft's institute anywhere near you? I always see different things they are doing with dogs over there. I wonder sometimes what their mortality rate is for dogs having the pituitary tumor removed since they were the pioneers with this operation? I hope you have a good weekend and it is not too hot for Ian to enjoy his walk. Is he still doing good taking the pills? Blessings
Patti

this pain unfortunately is a common side effect of mammograms.
torn muscles etc.
they are for free in my country for woman age 50+.
you are invited every 2nd year.
payed by the government.
my mom died young of a very agressive form of breast cancer, so i had 2 mammograms.
1 did not hurt, the second one very much.
i could hardly do my work for weeks.
i hope this stupid paperwork is done fast and that they can give you a nerve blocker.
cruft's institute is in britain and is about dog behaviour.
i think you mean the uni-clinic in utrecht. it is well known for its pit tumor operations.[dr. sarah galac]
they don't perform them too often, since it is very expensive and most of the dogs are older ones.
there is a dutch blog of someone who let her cairn terrier mix [only 6 years old] have the op. overthere.
the dog had to stay there for a week.
the most difficult result is that she has to give her dog cortisone twice a day and she has to increase it if she suspects stress moments like vet visits/groomers etc.
she always carries an ampul of injectable cortisone with her in case the dog crashes. [addison]
since the dog was only very young he recovered well. [op. was march 2014]
he has to take meds to concentrate his urine for the rest of his life and thyroid meds.
he is still less perky than he was before. especially when walking.
that is a side effect of it.
since he was so young she felt she had no choice, but there are certainly side effects.
i am glad ian is doing well on the vetoryl.
that little can of expensive fish food for cats is still doing the trick.......

Hi Iris! I hope you and Ian are doing well this weekend! What kind of other dog do you have? I think you mentioned you were walking the dogs, plural? ...

Mammograms.....Yikes! I've only had 1 in my whole lifetime. But, when I was diagnosed with lung cancer, I had a PET Scan.....which scan your whole body for cancer and whatever....and nothing was found....that was a 1 1/2 yrs ago. So, in my mind, I should be go to go for another 4 yrs. :D

What kind of fish catfood are you giving Ian? I'm glad the Vetoryl is still working for him. It seems Eli seems to have a lot of the symptoms of the Cushing's that your sweet Flynn had. I know when Eli still had his good days on Vetoryl......all his symptoms seemed to subside.

I hope you're having a nice weekend. It's rather hot here..but we had such a cold winter warm is good! With my breathing problems (COPD) the warmer weather agrees with me better anyway. Eli loves getting too and walking a lot more.

Iris:
The mammograms aren't usually that terribly bad, but this tech did them different that all the other years I have been getting them. No one has ever hurt me that badly. I swear if I don't soon get an appointment I will go crazy form this stabbing pain all day long. Tipper and Toby enjoyed the cool morning walk. The weather says thunderstorms for Monday thru Thursday, God I hope they are wrong! Tipper just cannot do four more days of thunder. I am so sick of this weather and being stressed out worrying about her. I gave her the second antibiotic pill this morning so it will take a few days to see if it works. I hope you and the dogs have a good Sunday and not too much heat and humidity. Blessings
Patti

@jo ann, my other dog is ian's sister enya. i bred them myself for agility purposes. i've done lots of competitions with my dogs.
e.g. obedience, agility, herding, ipo.
i am looking for a young dog to work with in the near future.

i found some tiny cans of catfood called gourmet fish, and this is doing the trick with ian eating his pills.[well so far so good]
today i even managed to feed him the big fish oil capsule.

flynn had the trembling and drooling too, but he did not tolerate vetoryl because of arthritis. without it he got downhill very fast.
hope your eli will be a survivor!
enjoy your nice weather and the walks with eli!

hi patti, 4 days of thunderstorms in the weather forecast?
such a bad news! is this normal for this time of the year in your area?
i think you tried everything to help tipper to survive this, i am out of ideas.
i hope you will get your appointment at the pain clinic soon! call them everyday.
hope the ab will help tipper.
we had a nice day, not too hot or humid and we walked a lot.

Hi Iris:
Well I am sick about these stupid thunderstorms coming so I have some herbal tea for Tipper and she goes to the vet Wednesday for blood pressure and Adequan. I am hoping if she is really bad he will give her something there. I am calling that pain clinic today to see what the hold up is. I am going Thursday for my echocardiogram too and my blood work. It is very hot here already this morning and they said on the news that hurricane season has started so I hope the people down south don't get bad storms too. Tipper is sensing the impending storm as she got off the bed last nite, went in her crate, then decided to sleep in the closet. Hope you do not have this humidity we have, it is hard for me to breathe in this, I can imagine how Ian feels. Do people swim in the river you go to? Hope you have a good walk with your babies? Do you have some fans in the house to keep a breeze for Ian? Blessings
Patti

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Originally Posted by flynnandian

@jo ann, my other dog is ian's sister enya. i bred them myself for agility purposes. i've done lots of competitions with my dogs.
e.g. obedience, agility, herding, ipo.
i am looking for a young dog to work with in the near future.

i found some tiny cans of catfood called gourmet fish, and this is doing the trick with ian eating his pills.[well so far so good]
today i even managed to feed him the big fish oil capsule.

flynn had the trembling and drooling too, but he did not tolerate vetoryl because of arthritis. without it he got downhill very fast.
hope your eli will be a survivor!
enjoy your nice weather and the walks with eli!

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Oh! OK! Cool! :D I wish I had the patience and probably young enough to teach something, anything. lol I wish I had gotten another baby when I got Eli. <sigh> Too late for that now.

I'm thinking I'll have to give Eli some chicken and rice for breakfast with his pill. I also found giving a pill with some cream cheese wrapped around it works for the actual pill giving. He gobbles that down so quick, I don't know how he tastes the cream cheese. He never notices the pill. :D Otherwise, he eats hard food at will...so he grazes most all day whenever he wants to eat, within reason. I have to put his food on a little rug next to where his food dish is sitting .....as the tickling of the food in the bowl while he's eating it...scares him. :rolleyes: When he started the Cushing's thing (I'm guessing here)....the last year.....he heard something in the kitchen...(I have no clue what) and sometimes he walks backward out of the kitchen! :eek:

I'm hoping the trembling stops when he starts back on the Vetoryl (it did before), but the drooling just started the day before he got sick...on the 10th day of Vetoryl use. So, I'm hoping like your sweet Flynn....he'll stop the drooling as well. I'm not letting them start him back on anything other than a VERY low dose. Even 10mg is OK with me for now. :)

I hope you have a good day and walk with your babies. It's warm here in the 80's....which is OK with me. I can breathe better. Eli is in and out all day. .He goes out now about every 2 hours.....or less all day. Our usual used to be every 4 hours....like clock work. I always thought he had a bladder of steel! lol If I wasn't home..he'd wait until I got there. Today it's all cloudy though.....it acts like it's going to rain...but it's been acting like it was going to rain for several days now and it hasn't happened yet!

hi patti and jo ann. i do have a fan and i hate the hot and humid air too. ian has his thick coat grown back fully now. 6 months after the crash.
the dogs are mostly sleeping whilst in the house so the heat does not bother them inside [yet].
the river is clean enough to swim in it, but you have to go where the stream meanders through the meadows because in the main stream it is too busy with tow boats , ferries etc.
@jo ann, if cream cheese works with eli, i would keep it this way. i think eli's peeing will be less as he is on vetoryl again.
does he want to go every 2 hours during the night too?
my ian -and i think patti's tipper too- do not need to go outside during the night.
ian was back to his normal pattern immediately after the first dose of 10 mg of vetoryl.
he is now on 30 mg. he weighs about 14 a 15 kg. [=about 30 pounds]
next weekend we have two holidays, i looked it up in the dictionary and it is called white sunday in the usa?
we have monday off too.
i am going to stay with my aunt for those 2 days with the doggies of course.
i hope-despite the thunderstorms-everyone will have a quiet night with lots of rest.

Iris:
You have a good memory!! Tipper never has to go out at note, and only a few times in the day. She never peed in the house when she got Cushing's not once. She is really good that way and has always been her whole life. I bet you are glad to get a holiday, you deserve it. Blessings
Patti

we will have temp. up to 30C [85+F] the next days...bleehhh!!!!!!
it will be a test for ian. have to be careful outside and indoors. hope he will handle it ok.
i am sorry about the thunderstorms in your area.
saw something about it on the news.
hope your vet will come up with something that will help tipper.
have a safe ride tomorrow.
o, and have you heared from the pain clinic already?

Iris:
Thank you so much for the help on the Valium. I will do what you said and make sure she gets it before the storm comes. I guess at least I will see if she is allergic to it on this small 2mg dose. So she is about 18 lbs and will need about 18-20 mg you think? I will let my vet know if this does not help her. I hope you sure do enjoy your holiday. Blessings
Patti