new from europe (arthritis and vetoryl?) - Ian, Flynn and Enya have passed

Iris:
I feel so bad that you cannot get these pills into Ian. I know you don't want any problems as your dear Flynn has not been gone that long. We will all have to think up some other options. I am housecleaning and taking a break, I have to finish or I will just leave it. I hope you are able to fool him at least once with the cat food Blessings
Patti

How about opening the capsule and dropping the ''powder'' into a glass of water or milk ,use a big syringe to drain it and give it???

Trilostane can be made into a liquid suspension and I've also seen Trilo made into chicken/beef chewable treats, do you think Ian would go for any of them?

thank you all for the suggestions!

How about opening the capsule and dropping the ''powder'' into a glass of water or milk ,use a big syringe to drain it and give it???

iraklis, dechra warned not to open the capsules. you have to give it whole because it is bad for our health and your dogs throat and stomage. that is what i read in the vetoryl manual.


Trilostane can be made into a liquid suspension and I've also seen Trilo made into chicken/beef chewable treats, do you think Ian would go for any of them?

liquid i don't know, he is so suspicious of things in/on his food.
the treats maybe, but he is/was never food orientated.
besides i do have enough vetoryl capsules for a year in stock.[and no money left]
does anyone on this forum feeds those vetoryl treats?

p.s. patti, you work with vista right?
can you tell me how to bookmark sites?

and sharlene, still not a sound coming from my pc. any suggestions left?
pc says speakers are on, but i don't have speakers, i use a headphone.

When Daisy stays with grandpa and I go to Greenwich, I use Greenies pill pockets and she gobbles them down.

Iris:
I do have Vista and just use the icon ai have on my tool bar to bookmark. I have a little different set up since mine is a business version it sometimes will not let me open files etc. which is a pain. I also know that about the Vetoryl capsules as I had that conversation with Dechra. They told me the dog should not even bite them. I give Tipper a supplement and it is a huge capsule, it is so hard to disguise, I think don't they realize theses things are too big? I always fear it sticking in her throat too. Tipper started the swallowing again last nite even though she has the pill. I just would like to know what started all this, and the root cause. It is going to be nice here so I hope we can have a few walks. Hope you and the babies get out and it is not too hot. In the summer Tipper has to go real early, or late because of her heart, and the cush dogs don't do well in heat and humidity. Blessings
Patti

yes patti, heat and humidity are not good for cush doggies.
ian is not happy with this kind of weather.
the waterlevel is low in "'our river"', so there is a small beach now.
we walked through the water so we had cold feet to cool us down.
ian does not swim, but enya does. their mom was a seal in a dogs body, she loved swimming. ian was almost born in the water.
he goes as far as his belly touching the water. his father did not swim too.
today we tried the peanutbutter trick, my hands are sticky, but i think the pill is down.
i believe tipper has the same tracheal problems as i have my whole life, there is nothing to do about it the doctors have told me.
i use a.h. pills, nasal spray and ventolin.
have a quiet sunday!

valerie, i looked those pill pockets up on the internet and i found something like this in my country, and guess what? he does not want them! his sister is eating them as a treat right now..................

Iris:
That sounds so beautiful going along the river and getting your feet wet. Tipper would love that. When she was well I had a kiddie pool in the back yard for her. I had a small motorized fish that would wiggle and swim. She would get in that pool and attack that fish and throw it in the air, she would not stop trying to kill it until you got it out of her jaws. First thing in the morning as soon as soon as sheate and was outside she started about that fish. She would get up out of bed at nite and whine to go get it. She was obsessed with this fish. We don't do that anymore as it would be too much on her but I do have it on video, it is hysterical.
Hope you have a good Sunday with your babies and I hope the peanut butter worked. Blessings
Patti

i used to have a kiddie pool too. but flynn destroyed it as a young dog.
couldn't you set up the pool without the fish?
just some water to cool her down? let her dive for some treats in the water?
i know we are spoiled with "our river" and the forest at only a 10 min drive from home. and they love the beach, which is an hour drive.
maybe you can show the video of tipper killing the shark on this forum?
sounds fun!

Oh no!
What about putting the pills in a glob of peanut butter?
Daisy likes that too.

Iris:
Will Ian eat a stinky sardine? Maybe put one in there? We are in for really bad weather this week so I have to talk either the IMS or vet into giving me something for Tipper. We have reached an point where it is more detrimental to have her terrified than the effects of the tranquilizer. That is why I prefer the fall and winter as she has no worries then. Looks like a good day to put the porch furniture out! Blessings
Patti

valerie, sometimes the peanut butter trick will work, the other day he does not want it. so difficult to handle it.
luckily he is doing fine, even with some days without the vetoryl.
today he has eaten the pill...
glad to read that daisy is doing better.

patti, i agree you must have some medicine to help tipper, this can not go on for both your sakes.
the doctors must understand this!
it is so frustrating for you.

Iris:
Yeah for getting the pill down Ian. That one you don't have to worry about! Tipper was on high alert all nite. She moved about the bedroom and kept me awake most of the nite. I feel so bad that she goes thru this. My vet must find something safe to give her, as we cannot keep this up and summer really never started yet. I hope it is not too hot and humid over there for the doggies. Are your dogs nervous in a storm? Hoping today's pill goes down the old hatch for Ian. I am taking Tipper for her Adequan this morning. Blessings
Patti

hi patti, so sorry that tipper is so nervous because of this weather.
my dogs don't mind the thunderstorms.
they do bark like toby, when there is lightning.
it is still hot and humid today, but the weather forecast says it will be cooler.
we can finally make longer walks when the temp. drops.
pills are down again. [oops, forgot to search the floor with a flashlight]
good luck tomorrow at the vet hospital.
i will read about the results in tipper's thread.

Hi Iris:
My head is ready to explode from so much information. I am waiting for a list of questions I asked the IMS to be answered and I will proceed from there. I hope Ian is being a good baby and not spitting those darn pills out!! Good weather here and I did walk the dogs twice. I am catching up on my work and getting ready to go to the cardiologist Monday, another big trip! I am worn out, but need to get these things done. We have been going tombed early as I am tired. I hope you have good weather today to walk the babies. Tipper has been drinking more thannormal the last two days, I hope the cortisol is not rising. Blessings
Patti

hi patti, i am sorry that you have to go through all of this.
i found the list in tipper's thread a good one!
hope you will get your answers soon from the ims.
the vetoryl is down, i have to try to feed the omega 3 pill.
it is so big and he recognises the smell from it.
the weather is ok right now, a bit cooler, so longer walks are possible again.
i hope tipper and you can have a good night sleep finally and that the extra drinking is just from the exercise she had.
ian is drinking more when the temp. are rising and after/during longer walks.
the every day worries about our doggies -and your own health- can make your head spin, and prevent you from sleep well.
enya turned 12 today, so we had a little party.
hope she will not develop cushing's too...........

Hi Iris:
Happy Birthday to Enya. She getting to be an old lady like Tipper!! Glad Ian is taking his pills. Tipper said where's the cake??? I am waiting to hear back from the IMS, but it will be a few days with her busy schedule. At least I am not in any emergency situation, and have time to think this thru. I am trying to get caught up on stuff here as I will be gone all Monday morning. I have a sitter for Tipper, I never leave her alone, and they call me every hour to tell me she is ok. I am making some chicken noodle soup so I have something for Monday when I get home. I am definitely a planner. We have a bit of cold weather and are expecting rain today. Hope you do not have the heat and humidity and enjoy your weekend
a bit. Blessings
Patti

Happy Belated Birthday to Enya!

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

thank you both. 2 long walks today and some shorter ones.
we like the cooler weather.
patti, are the thunderstorms still on?
i hope not.
i have worked today to earn some extra money.
my energy bill was due a long time ago, so they send me a nasty letter with a high fine! just great! hope i get some money back because of this hot winter we had.

Iris:
Thank you for your good wishes. I am hoping to get home as soon as possible because it makes me nervous to leave Tipper with a sitter. It is dark put, and looks like another storm looming. I am anxious to get my questions answered from the IMS, I hate waiting. Tipper said to ask Enya if she feels like an old lady now?? Blessings
Patti

answer for tipper from enya; no, i don't feel like an old lady in my mind, but my body says otherwise sometimes.
hope you and i will stay in good shape for a long time!
and patti, i don't like waiting too...
hopefully it is just a mild storm.
i do have a dentist appointment tomorrow morning...bleeggghhh!
hope your cardiologist has good news for you.
does your dog-sitter arrive at 4 am as you have to leave home that early?
that would be very special.
have a safe trip tomorrow.

Iris:
Tomorrow is to be a bad storm day. It will really put this mixture to the test!! We have to go for bp and Adequan shot. If it is rumbling on the way to the vets forget the bp!. We had laser therapy today and I noticed Tipper was touchy so I think that one leg is bothering her. The laser will fix it up, so glad we went. I switched her to Benadryl for the mucous and gave it this morning, it seems to have helped her more than the other Chlorphenarmine. The true test will be tonight when she is sleeping, that's when it is the worst. Maybe that's why she has been sleeping with her head hanging down off her pillow, so the mucous does not run down her throat?? It is beautiful and sunny today, hope it is not too hot and humid for Ian and Enya. I cant believe it will be the middle of May soon, time has really been flying. Is Ian doing ok with the pills? We have some buds on the trees opening up, your I guess have been out for a while? I have not gotten anything from the IMS yet so we wait! Blessings
Patti

oops, waiting is so not ok!
our trees have leaves already indeed.
the blossom of the fruit tress has gone and there are little apples/pears hanging from the branches.
ian's pills are down, except for the big fish oil pill.
we will try that tomorrow again.
after a few cooler days, it is humid and sticky again............
hope tipper does well at the vet practice tomorrow.
and that those herbs will work.
my mucous problem is also worse when lying down, but i sleep with an extra pillow, so head up............

Iris:
We are back from the vets. Got some good information there, and Tipper's bp was good and she got her shot. She has to get one every two weeks because of her trachea. We tried three weeks and that is just too long. I bet that is nice seeing all the fruit trees with new fruit on them. It sounds just lovely there. We woke up to rain, I have given Tipper the mixture because they are calling for thunder. The vet said I can make it stronger even and give it up to 3 times a day. He said there is no side effects to it and is fine long term. She is conked out rightnow as she walked twice in between the rain which iisn't something she would normally do. Ian just does not want those fish pills. It is a pity all those capsules have to be so huge. Don't they realize for someone or a pet taking them it makes it so hard. The capsules can stick in your throat maybe that is why Ian
does not want them. Tipper said to tell Enya she is becoming a bit forgetful, and is scared of doggyhimers!! Blessings
Patti

glad, that your vet was in a good mood!
it sounds good about tippers reaction to those herbs.
that would be a great help to control her fears!
yes, those capsules are way to big since most dogs are not easy to fool.
tipper; enya and you are just spring chickens!
we will live up to 20 and still make long walks! no worries!
i used a dictionary to look up doggyhimer, but i could not find it.
can you explain what this is?
ian jumped into the car yesterday and has a sore leg now.
he can not do this anymore. i was talking to someone and hoppa...............he is too old for that.
hope you have time to relax a bit now after all those appointments.

Iris:
Tipper does stuff like Ian an often would hurt herself. They just keep on doing it though. Strong willed these babies are. Tipper wants to do everything herself and resents help. Hope he did not do any damage to his leg. I am going to wait and see what the next ultra sound brings for Tipper. Nothing like making me a nervous wreck. My vet thinks she is frying to scare me into this operation. I am going to try and get another room done today, I need to be finished with this crap already. Tipper said to tell Enya doggyhimers is like people Alzheimer's!! Going up to 85 today so I need to change the furnace filter as I may have to put the air conditioning on for Tipper. Blessings
Patti

yes, they certainly are strong willed! and luckily no doggyhimers for ian and enya.
but as long as they are this-strong willed- way, they do well is what i believe.
i agree with your vet, they are preying on your fear to loose tipper!
it is business for them after all.
wait till the next us. maybe it has not grown at all. measuring this things during an us is always a gamble.
it depends on the angle of that probe thing they are pressing on their skin.
tipper can feel your worries, so try to let it go for 3 months, and just enjoy your girl. older dogs are sleeping and resting more. mine do too.
hope the cleaning will be finished soon so you can relax till next spring.
ian's leg is better today, and since it finally rained , we did 4 shorter walks.
since flynn, i am always afraid it will be arthritis flaming up.

Iris:
I am just not thinking right this morning, my heart hurts so bad for Leslie and Squirt. That is one pitfall of being on here, your heart is continually broken. I am hoping Ian does not start up with the arthritis. I give Tipper Glycoflex III it has the green lipped mussel we discussed before, so she is not allergic. It seems to help her. It was so hot here yesterday the dogs could only walk in the early morning. Igot one more room cleaned yesterday.I could hardly walk when I got out of bed this morning!! Two more to go and I am done. I had to turn the air conditioning on yesterday as Tipper could not take the heat it was 85 here. It is already steamy out there and thunderstorms on the way again. Lots of tornadoes yesterday out west. Hope you are able to get out with the babies before it gets tohot and humid. I am ssitting still with Tipper's tumor situation until the next ultra sound. I hope this IMS would not say the size increased on the next one, sothey would get the operation, and it really had not!! I hope she would not stoop to something like that! Blessings
Patti

yes the worrying about our own dogs and the ones on this forum can certainly wear you out.
i sure hope your specialist will be honest with you, but i still think they are preying on your fear to loose tipper.
those clinics are big business!
if tipper's tumor has really grown 0.3 cm in a whole year it is really a very small increase.
3 mm is less than the space between the words in this message.
so i hope you can relax a bit.
you and tipper can do with some possitive thoughts i think.
is the weather in your area always so "'explosive"?
or are there times in summer when the weather is more stable?
i hope so for yours and tipper's sake.
sleep well!

Iris:
You are right about this big business. That is why I would have much preferred to have an operation like that done in a teaching school. These private places need money and will do anything to get it. I hate to say this but it makes me not trust the IMS because of it, and that is bad. We live near a lake so our weather can be rather volatile at times, then Lake Erie is a huge lake very close to us too. That is why we get lake effect snow all winter. The last two years have been bad with storms. Where I used to live there was very little of this. Tipper had walked already, as it is humid and getting hot. we are to have storms off and on all week. I surely hope it is not bad Tuesday as I must travel back home to the Dr. and hate to leave Tipper with a sitter in a storm. I opened the door to my office for the first time since Grace has been gone. Tipper wanted in immediately. She has the best nose on her and she did not seem to smell anywhere the cat had been so I must have done a good job of disinfecting!! Hope you are not having this heat and humidity. Some of my plants are starting to come out. Have a good weekend with the babies. Blessings
Patti

hi patti, i think you send your weather this way. it is 0;17 am overhere and there is thunder, lightning, wind, rain, and hail!
the shower is flooding and so is the sink.
and i just cleaned the house today grrr!
we could use some water, because it was very dry, but this..............
glad that you can detect some spring signs around you in your garden.
and that you can use your office again.
i looked up lake erie and i found out that this is one big lake, almost a sea by the looks of it.
i would love to hike there with my dogs.
i love the lake sides and the sea and so do the dogs. i was born in a small vilage near the sea.
so now i have to clean the bathroom before going to bed. all the water went down the drain, so i can start to dry off the floor.

Iris:
Glad you looked up Lake Erie and see the size of it. How has Ian been doing with the pills? Hope no problems. It is black here so we got the lousy weather back from you! It is a thunderstorm coming, so I will have to watch Tipper she is already on high alert. I am resting today as I have to get up at 4am for the Dr. appointment in Pittsburgh. I will finish the other 2 rooms later in the week and I will be done. my goodness you must have really had the rain, if it came up on the bathroom floor. What a mess after you cleaned and work all day you don't feel like doing that kind of hard work sopping up water. Hope everything is ok. The river where you walk the dogs does it ever flood the area? Are you far enough away if it does? The weather in so many places in the world is becoming unpredictable anymore. We never had bad weather like this all the time like it is now. Maybe I should have restricted the cats from my office, I just found some cat hair on my keyboard! Oh well cat hair never killed anyone that I know of!! Blessings
Patti

hi patti, the storms are over for now.
certainly the weather has become unpredictable due to all the damage to the nature by mankind.
and it is still going on. it seems lots of governments did not learn from all the damage we did to our planet.
the river is 5 km [3miles] from home.
but, it is the netherlands, so everything is under control.
if not, half the country would be floaded! [= under sea level]
but our river beaches have gone for now due to a higher water level.
do your cats sleep on the keyboard or did they just lost some hair overthere?
have a safe trip to your doctor tomorrow.
p.s. ian ate his pills, but he does not want his big fish oil pill anymore.

Iris:
Yes Deloras cat will be gone today at 3pm. I tried again to get my neighbor to keep her but he refuses. I will just let Delora think the cat has a wonderful home here and that will give her peace of mind until she leaves this earth. I have cried over this cat for two days now and it just makes me feel bad when animals are in situations like this. Tipper was panting for two days now I feel because her cortisol soared two nites ago during that awful thunder, it was the worst I ever heard anywhere. She seems to be ok this morning. Glad Ian is still taking his pills. Is it hot and humid there? Do you let your cat outside or just inside? How old is it? Hope you are all cleaned up and get no more water coming in, that would be awful to deal with. I had that one time where I used to live and what a mess it makes, and I had to use bleach as it smelled even when dry. Hope you have a good walk with the doggies, and don't work too hard. Blessings
Patti

hi patti, my cat is 6 years old.
black without one white hair.
he has his own cat flap. it is safe out here, so he loves to roam the farmland and orchards for mice etc.
he walks with us at night, when it is quiet outside.
no more flooding so far.
are you ever going to walk the dogs by the lake, so they can swim?
sounds as a nice place to go to in the summer.
it was a bit cooler the last few days, but it will be hot again.
hope tipper will have some quiet days without the storms.
you've had enough of them already.
i will send you some weeks of sunny and dry days.
that will be good for your joints as well!

Hi Iris:
Well as you might have guessed Toby did not keep his mouth shut. Tipper was on the bed sleeping and he started and she got up and ran to the closet. I brewed some more herbs today, only much stronger like the vet suggested. We are to get more thunder here soon, so I have it ready to give her. This has been very stressful, but I just keep talking to her in a regular tone and try to act like there is nothing wrong. There is no way to prevent Toby from barking at thunder so it is what it is. If these stronger herbs don't work then the vet is going to have to do something. I believe she may have inherited this as that is where some of it comes from. She has never had a scary incident that started this so it may have come from one of her parents. I am real sick of this weather, I would rather see snow and know Tipper is safe. She did get to walk once this morning. I talked to the lady that took Deloras cat. She seems real pleased with her, and lives in a beautiful home, so the cat will not want for anything. In my heart I am sad though at never seeing her again. I will never tell Delora, she has enough problems now. It sure sounds like Ian is doing exceptional. You take the time to exercise your babies and that means a lot for their health.Tipper is so tired from being up all nite she is napping while I type. Yes please send the sunny weather with the low heat!! Blessings
Patti

hi patti, you did the best you can do for the cat and it looks like you found her a really good home!
ian is certainly doing fine at the moment, so i am happy!
i've read on a dutch forum that people give those "relax herbs" non stop during storms and fireworks.
they had a lot of succes with it because they were building a sort of steady level of the stuff in the bloodstream of their dog.
maybe this can help tipper too.
i've had an -epileptic!- dog like this too, so i was very worried about her health during storms/fireworks etc..
a "dogwhisperer"' has given me very useful tips by then and i will tell you what those tips are;
stay in bed during the storms. show normal behavior during the night. if you set an example she will follow it.
when you -as the packleader- go out of bed and pacing too and paying attention to her, you are confirming her fear.
storm-packleader on high alert-dog on high alert- and you are reinforcing each others fears.
open the closet, so she can seek comfort there, but try to totally ignore her fear.
we do not realize it at first, but by paying extra attention to them [even talking] during this state of anxiety-and even observing them is also paying attention-we show them that we are worried about them and the dogs know there is something wrong.
what they need is a very stable pack leader to show them there is nothing to be afraid of.
i know this is very difficult to do, but it really worked in the end with my dog.
at least no more panicking.

Hi Iris:
Well Tipper started up again last nite because we had a hard rain and she is associating it with the thunder. I do ignore her when she does this, and when in the closet I do not even talk to her. I ordered some new herb Bach's remedy and I will see which works the best. It is full of flowers ingredients so I will have to test it on her skin first since she is so allergic to everything. It is dark out now and I do not know what to expect next! Hope you send that sunny weather soon! It just started to drizzle. We just cannot get rid of this stuff! Hope you have a nice sunny and not too warm day so the babies can enjoy the day. Around here where I live now you cannot leave your cat out as there are a lot of people that hate cats and will cause them harm. Nice you cat can enjoy it's life going in and out. Blessings
Patti