Flynn 11 y/o Foxie Cross - Right adrenalectomy- Good Bye Flynny We will miss you

I hope little Cooper is ok. I know just how your friend feels to find such comfort in her babies in the face of such sorrow. Please let her know we are thinking of and praying for her and Cooper.

Hi Trish,
Thanks for babysitting me last night. :) How is Cooper doing this morning? Big hugs,
Kathy

oh dear. How is Cooper this morning? I hope things sorted out and he didn't have to go to the vet over night. That is so scary :(


sharlene

Just checking in to see how Flynn and Cooper are and you too.

Hope everything is ok

Me and Flynny good, he still sore in mouth but ate his meat, declined his biscuits. I woke early so gave him some SEB directly onto ulcers via syringe. He does not like it. Best I can do with that is one early dose and then will do it again tonight couple of hours after evening pills. I have emailed vet so will see what he says.

I have txt Coopers Mum, she said he seems much better just very tired and sleeping a lot. He has done a poop, she was waiting for him to wake again to give him food. She is taking him to her vet this morning for a checkup. It was very weird how fast he went from good to feeling absolutely yuck so hope there is nothing more than a puppy overdoing it with excitement playing with his idol Flynn!! :D Will let you know what the vet says.

Righto off to work I go... xxxx

They never like what's good for them hopefully you have got enough in to give him a bit of help while you wait on your vet which won't be long cause he's better than most ;)

Awesome to hear Cooper is doing better.

I got sunburnt today even with factor 50 not cool! Couldn't have put enough on!

Have a great day at work.

Bug hug, bum scratches to Flynn

Mel
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Yuck!!! :eek: Flinny has taste. That's why he doesn't like the SEB. Buddy doesn't like it either. That's why I have to mix it in a little canned food.You pretty much need the syringe for the mouthful ulcers though. Squirting it in through clamped dog teeth is just par for the course, I guess. It isn't even one of the strangest things to we've had to do! Checking poops at night with flashlights to look for worms is fun too.:D I hope your vet has some ideas to help with Flynny's sore mouth. Poor little guy.:o
Has Cooper had all of his puppy shots? It sounds like he could've picked up one of those nasty bugs. I am so glad that his mom is taking him into the vet today. Please keep us posted on how he's doing. XXXXXXX
Kathy

PS... Are you stopping by the restaurant to pick up a few more syringes on your way home? LOL

Hi everyone

Cooper has had a checkup at his vet, nothing out of the ordinary today. I was just talking to his Mum and she said he has been tired but back to playing with his toys with no ill effects, eating, peeing and pooping fine. So its a bit of a mystery what happened last night. He went all funny after he had been outside for a little while and came running in flat out, sat by his Mum and would not move. Almost like something gave him a big fright?!? Anyway he is all good today, I read her all your messages and she was very touched and said to say thank you for all your good wishes and prayers. Cooper is booked in for his neutering this Friday :eek::eek: and his vet is happy for that to proceed.

Now on to Flynny! Vet emailed back today and wants to see him, the ulcers are a bit of a mystery to him, he said:

"Re the ulcers. Can you describe where they are? What does the surgery site look like? We could not ascertain a cause from the histo. Bloods to date show no evidence of immuno-suppression but yes it must be a while since we have done a CBC.

DDx of oral ulcers = uraemia, diabetes mellitus, trauma. None of these apply with labs to date!!! Also most systemic diseases will produce multiple ulcers rather than these isolated ones. We must be due to check his BP soon so that would be a good opportunity to check his mouth and also run liver bloods (which also checks renal function and glucose) and CBC."

So there we are, he is booked in for Thursday for the checkup. But he has had another good day apart from putting off eating his biscuits till he gets real hungry. I told him I was using the SEB and he did not actually mention that so I will keep it going directly onto the ulcers for now.

Thanks for all your concern about wee Cooper and Flynn, you are all so very special to us :D :D xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hmmm I have a new theory on these ulcers, I just emailed our vet as below, what do you think??
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Thanks for your email Mike.

I will bring him Thursday, good day for me too.

I have been thinking about these ulcers and I have a new theory!! He is allergic to his toys or maybe something else environmental, kind of like a latex allergy in people..... he rips his toys apart with great enthusiasm, gnaws them in this molars where the toy would come into contact with area that is ulcerated, rips out all the fluff and spits it around. If he had an allergy to his toys it could cause contact ulcers in that area especially if some of that fluff got stuck back there? Other symptoms that makes me think it might be allergy:

• Itchy snout which he rubs on floor ALL the time
• Skin itchy he is driving us crazy always wanting his back scratched at the moment and backing into us so we will do it! His skin seems ok other than itchy. I have showered him in Sebazole a couple times over the last month. He does not have fleas, not that I can see anyway. He is up to date with frontline.
• If he had an allergy like that which has quite possibly been very long term, could it would cause the gut problems/IBD??
• Hanging his head alot, lip licking like something is bothering him in there - I don't think those last two are nausea as he always eats well and has not lost weight. He has done it for years.
• Occasional wheezy cough (sounds a bit like a stridour or kennel cough which he had a mild case of once years ago, sort of choking kind of sound) very infrequent, maybe days apart

These mouth ulcers are not new having been there at least a year when Rebecca saw them and in the same place at the back of his mouth, between his teeth and tongue. I suspect they could have been there longer now thinking about these symptoms. I would think if the cause was something systemic it would have declared itself by now, like renal failure, diabetes as you mentioned. So I am going to trial banning his toys and see if that helps. Flynn is not going to be happy with this new development!!

His tummy is so good now, almost cannot remember the last real mucousy poop (touch wood). Seems to have settled a lot since we gave him Drontal, how often do we give that??

Remember you gave him that Loratidine a month or two back as he was scratching a lot then. It settled down with that. I have 3 days worth left so I will give him those till we see you Thursday.

Plan

1. Loratidine for 3 days till review by you Thursday - can you do allergy testing for toy fluff??
2. Ban toys
3. Pick up Benzapril and Amlodipine Thurs, have just enough till then (have 16 losec left, so thats enough for month, he having one every 2-3 days). He is still having 12.5mg Tramadol BD
4. BP check
5. Urine UPC check
6. Bloods: renal, liver, glucose, CBC
7. Toenail clip please
8. He is due his Pentosan
9. Review chest for cough, check if Massey did CXR
10. Continue putting slippery elm bark paste on the ulcers twice a day

Gawd, I hope you do not have too many patients like us!!! Thanks so much for all your help!

Cheers
Trish

Hi Trish,

So glad to hear that Cooper is back to normal and the vet has cleared him of anything physically wrong. His mum just doesn't need anything to be wrong with Cooper that's for sure. So, yea, he could have gotten scared. Puppies can even freak themselves out sometimes. LOL Good to know his safe place is right beside his mum though.

Interesting theory regarding Flynn's ulcers and in light of nothing being systematicly wrong, a very good possibility. Now the key will be to figuring out what it is that he might be having a reaction to. The outside or the inside of the toys. You could try removing anything plastic latex and sticking to different materials for a time and see which ones seem to be bothering him. Well, at least it's nothing serious like renal, etc if it's an allergy. Allergies can be controlled, not easily maybe but better than the other options.

Hope your presentation goes well today!
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin