Would a towel on the table help her to stand? If so, and you don't know if they have them (they should) bring your own. That's what those great big purses, bags are for! ;)
Trish survived!! :D
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin
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Would a towel on the table help her to stand? If so, and you don't know if they have them (they should) bring your own. That's what those great big purses, bags are for! ;)
Trish survived!! :D
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin
Great minds think alike, I just packed up her mat from clicker training class years ago:D:D:D
Hubby reports today no head or leg tremors, no falls. I told him thats because she saves all that up for me when I get home:rolleyes:
She has had her full dose for a few days now, her back legs seem worse to me again tonight. I had been thinking for awhile about switching to compounded not just to save $150 a month but because I could tailor her dose maybe do 35 in the am and 15 in the pm, just a little to tap that cortisol back down, not do an even split.
Addy,
Are Zoe's head shaking or vibrations like tremors? Buddy's head tremors felt like a cell phone vibrating. They felt really weird to me and scared Buddy. Does the shaking scare Zoe?
None of us will EVER be ready for Zoe to leave us! ;) xxxxx
Gosh pleased to read she is better back on the Tramadol, did her appetite pick up at same time? Maybe when she was a bit picky it was because she was a bit sore. I am still seeing intermittent trembling and occasional jerky ones with Flynn when he is resting, worse at night. Not so convinced the Tramadol was the culprit as he has been off a good fortnight now. Sometimes notice little ear tremouring, but I think that is just because he is shaking lower down. I remember talking with my vet about his tremours ages ago, he said they stop when you distract him or put your hand on him so he was not concerned at all. Plus he has been a twitchy little terrier his whole life, he also mentioned white dog shaker syndrome or something like that.. so I think we should put Zoe down for that one too! Has she got much hair growth around her face that could be putting her off her food??
I also think your doing right checking her stim now in case she is a tad low and that is causing these little changes, also the full senior panel too look at her liver tests is a great idea but if she follows Flynn's example going high in that department she is going to get a good telling off :D:D Just kidding of course, I will only give that Zoe a load of snuggles when I get to meet her one day!!
I will be waiting on tenterhooks right alongside you until we get the results, then we can look at what needs doing for our little Miss!
Hope you are taking care of yourself Addy, you have had a real sucky couple of months and all that stress takes its toll... so back in the giant bath we go with our choccies and girlie drinks to recharge the batteries for the next round xxxx
Just catching up on your thread after being away. Seems you have your hands so full. I empathize with you.
Wishing you the best of luck with everything... and hoping those tests can resolve the issues or at least point you in the right direction.
I'll be waiting to see what the results are.
Your comment about the Zoe tree I relate too so much. I look at Keesh pretty much knowing this is his last Christmas-heartbreaking to say the least, but so thankful he made it this far.
She never went off her food, she is just eating more slowly but still relishing her food. I increased the height of her food dish a tad more and this morning she was eating breakfast and hubby walked by and she actually stopped to look at him. I said wow, if she was being loaded with Lysodren I would be stopping the drug right now.:rolleyes: That was a first but perhaps it was just her head was higher so he was more in eye range.
Kathy, her head would have a loose tremble more like bobbing and shaking almost, it only scared her if I got scared and when I would pet her head it would ease up which sounds like idopathic head tremors but I'm not sure. I have now not neen it. I have to check my thread to see when.
Shoot, I'm late, Little Miss slept till six:rolleyes:
Addy:
Tipper has so many tremors since starting on the Vetoryl. I notice her head shaking a bit when she is sitting still, I can see her ears moving and that is how I know she is shaking. She kind of does that all the time anymore. I think it may be the Vetoryl. Blessings
Patti
I don't know, Patti, she has been on it for 2.5 years and I have never seen this before and I haven't seen it since I switched the metronidazole to every other day. I think it is too soon to blame it on the metronidazole but it seems odd to me that I would first see this now after all this time but it could be.
Thank you for telling me though about Tipper as that input helps me to keep an open mind. Maybe some of these side effects show up later rather than sooner.:)
Just saying hi, hope all is well...
Addy:
Tipper's shaking is more like a persons Parkinsons. Just the shaking of the head. But the legs are different, like tremors. It used to worry me so much I would wake her up to make her stop doing it. I hope you get to the bottom of it, as I know you are worried about sweet Zoe. Blessings
Patti
Hi Addy,
As long as Zoe is eating well I don't think I would worry too much about the speed...maybe it's just a "senior" thing. Trixie still gobbles the food in a crazed way...like someone is going to take it away if it's still there in 30 seconds! I imagine as she gets older she'll slow down...that would be normal I think. If anyone walks near her when she's eating she will stop, look and wait until no one is right around then she'll go back to the mad scarfing down. Maybe she thinks someone will step on her. I think dogs are quirky that way...where they eat, where they poop...all that stuff. The conditions have to be "just right"...like Goldilocks! ;)
Barbara
Hey you
I read that Koko slipped out of his harness that must have been scary, I got one for Boyce a Ruffwear webmaster it also has a handle on it so you can lift them up. Can get it on Amazon or maybe the website as I think it's an American product...
Not sure if it would work but thought I would mention it. Hope Miss Zoe is doing well and that your Mom is doing ok
Big hug
Love
Mel
Xxxxxx
Mel- I will check that harness out, thank you:) scared the begeebers out of me:( Thank goodness he thinks I'm the best thing around right now because of biscuits:):)
Patti- Yes, that sounds like Zoe, what you describe from Tipper so maybe it is the Vetoryl after all this time.
Trixie- It was after I read John's post about Rozie not being able to see her water level in her bowl I realized that could be part of it with Zoe- she has trouble seeing up close.:confused:
Lettie- BIG hugs and Hi, so good to hear from you:D:D:D
I dont know who I am be leaving out but I dont mean to:o:o:o I;m just a bit stressed and did not look back on my thread all the way.
Car ride to vet impossibe- Zoe cried and panted the whole time, her pre will probably be 8:rolleyes:
asked for senior panel, UPC, electrolyte check and stim
physical exam revealed nothing, allowed vet to stretch and move her neck, legs, did not appear to be neurological, of course she did not fall down on her side, limp, slide her back legs out so far she is almost sitting, no, none of that from my girl in front of a doctor:rolleyes::(
I feel like a hypochrondriac about my dog:o:(:(:(Quote:
Wow- she looks great, pot belly better, all that hair, look at her tail and all that caramel color, eyes clear, maintained her weight, WOW, we sure dont expect to see any problems with her tests:confused::confused::confused
came home with more tramadol, Zoe went in the bedroom to bed, now we wait for test results, I did not go to work;) I call this mental health time:p:p:p
I know my dog like the back of my hand, something is not right with her.
Yes, you do know Zoe. We always know when there is something not quite right with our babies, regardless of what anyone else says! So there!;):D
I'm glad you took a mental health day.:) xxxxx
Addy:
Don't feel like that I am always worried about every little thing with Tipper to. They become like children to us, and anything that happens with them, we pick up on right away with our mommy radar. When you live, eat ,and breathe this disease it is hard not to be concerned when you know something is off. I am so close to Tipper I can sense things when they are not right. Who ever thinks there is something wrong with that has a problem as far as I am concerned. There is so very much love, caring, and coddling of these babies that it should be expected for us to get rattled. This is by no means an easy road to travel. I think you are very caring observant, and educated and would never think of you as a hypochondriac over your dog. Blessings
Patti
I agree with all the others. You know Zoe better than anyone and if something isn't right, then that's just a fact, not a supposition. So..pffft on them.
A mental health days sounds pretty darn good. I'd like to put my order in for every wed and fri to be a mental health day...yea, I think that would just about do it. 3 days work, 2 days mental health, 2 days weekend lazyness, I think I can live with it!
Well, lets see what those test results come back with. :)
hugs,
Sharlene and molly muffin
Ohhh move over on the hypochondriac wagon... we will need tons of room to fit us all in :D Just kidding, we are not hypochondriacs we are INFORMED pet parents, because we make ourselves informed!! That's the way it is meant to be, gone are the days we blindly do what vets/health professionals say, we want to know the whys, hows, whens and anything else that will make our pups feel better, so do not feel bad about wanting the best for Zoe, they deserve the best care and so do we! *stepping down off my soapbox*
I am liking the sound of that physical exam Addy, that is great news that there was nothing obvious they picked up on. Hopefully results are in tomorrow, I so hate waiting for results. Will be checking tomorrow, that is the good thing about my timing, usually when I wake up results are in for you guys :) Big Hugs for you and Zoe and that escape artist Koko xxxxxxxx
Addy:
I have had so many dealing with Dechra that I do believe what you said is true that they wimp out in the event they are dealing with a power house vet. Things should just not be like that. Blessings
Patti
Addy,
I hate that feeling that something is off with the dog. I'm glad Zoe did so well at the vet, but I can understand your concerns.
I see Trixie seemingly doing great but then the liver numbers are still not good and she still drinks a bit more than she used to...so I go thru telling myself she's fine, energetic, happy, doing well and then boom- I get doubtful. If I could afford it I would have Trixie get a check up and ultrasound once a month just to calm the doubts.
If she's lying there sleeping and I can't tell how she's feeling I'll start asking her quietly if she wants to play so I can see if she reacts normally--I end up waking up the poor dog just so I can see if she's okay, and then I don't really play with her!! :eek: Now that's a little crazy! :eek:
It's like the scene in "Terms of Endearment" when Shirley Maclaine jumps into her baby's crib while she's napping so she can better see if she's breathing okay :eek:...the baby wakes and cries and Shirley says "that's better".
I hope Zoe is doing fine...I hope nothing is off when you get your tests back. I think it's hard with this disease to let ourselves believe that everything is perfect..and usually it's not perfect, but things can be good, even if not perfect.
You know your dog best, and you are not a dog hypochondriac!! We are just so used to watching everything these dogs do and we have to continue doing that. :)
Barbara
Hmm nothing here either! Will be back in the morning with more hugs xxxxx
Addy,
I completely understand your feelings about Zoe, I am the same with Jasper. I sense it when he is even a little bit off. I can tell when something is wrong just by looking at his face. And ditto to everything Barbara posted, I am exactly the same way.
I too am patiently waiting for Zoe's results. I think the physical exam is very encouraging, so I am hoping for good results for your baby girl.
Thank you for your support and kind words on our thread, it means a lot.
Hugs,
Tina and Jasper xo
Addy:
Hoping to hear some good results from Zoe. I know how this waiting keeps you on edge. Blessings
Patti
Thank you all for waiting with me but I have no news to report. It will be a long weekend.;) I will assume her numbers are not too low or that would have prompted a phone call to me so I am going with everything is fine as they thought since I would have heard bad news.
The vet really did not want to change anything if we can help it, since she is so much improved; ok to give metronidazole every other day if Zoe can handle it and maybe give the Tramadol every night. The thought was that with her lower cortisol (if it is) she has more aches and pains and having Tramadol on board through the night helps her with that pain so she just feels better when she wakes up. If I need to give it durring the day I can. I dont think I will. She just cant have it every night, it is too much for her.
I have not seen another incident of the bad head tremor and with Tramadol on board more frequently her front leg is better.
Maybe now if things stay calm with my Mom and Zoe can have her normal routine, I can better gauge things. She does feed off me.
I think I am seeing the start of neurological problems but maybe I am overreacting. I have thought that for a year so it could be me overeacting for sure. They did not seem to think so but I live with her and she shows no pain at the vets ever. Zoe does not sit anymore and when she does sleep, it usually is on her side with her legs out straight. Yet when they did the basic neurological tests on her legs, there was no eveidence of it. I dont know how reliable that is.
This morning she went in the bedroom now and went to sleep instead of staying with us in the living room. She used to do that when her IBD was bothering her.
That's about it guys. Thanks for thinking of us and wish I had something to tell.
Addy:
I have told a lot of people the same thing about Tipper. She never sits anymore. She lays down. I think the pressure added onto her back and the organs moving from fat redistribution etc. makes her very uncomfortable. When she lays down, her legs are straight out. Every once and a while she wakes up and lays on her belly with her head straight. Whatever bothers her must feel better when she lays this was. She was always used to sleeping on her side and it frustrates her that she has to keep getting up and moving around. Hope Zoe's results are in soon, and that everything is ok, I think they would have called you if not. Blessings
Patti
dear Addy,
Just a little hello to you and Zoe.
You are in my thoughts and prayers.
Sonja and Angel Apollo.
Hi Addy,
Zoe might lay down though if her legs bother here and are painful. The tramadol you said was helping her legs, but it still might feel more comfortable to her to lay out than to sit or even lay flat on her stomach.
She might still feel off from the ACTH test the other day, but you'll have to watch I suppose to see if it affected her IBD at all.
It sure would be nice, if things would go well for your mom and Zoe for awhile, so things will be more calm and less hectic for all of you.
That is going to be my Xmas wish for you. :) That everyone be healthy and happy for a while and you can get to enjoy the simple things in life again, like just dancing around the house with the dogs.
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin
Hi Sweet Sonja, how are you today? How is Ariel?
Patti- I am glad you told me that Tipper does not want to sit anymore either, not that I am glad she wont sit, it just helps me put Zoe in perspective.
Sharlene- the tramadol helps her front bad leg, it does not tremble, it helps her back legs through the night and when she first gets up, then they get pretty stiff later in the day and she can have trouble getting up after laying down.
Tonight, you would not have thought too much was wrong the way she did hop, hop, bark for dinner and ran around the kitchen, but her back legs kick back like she is ice scating and some days are so stiff that when she is standing they slide way apart until she is almost in a sit.
She seems like she is so much older but then maybe she is. She has always seemed much older than they originally thought and told us.
I guess it is her diseases.
Of course, I cant believe how much I have aged in the last three years so I guess I should not talk:D:D:D:D:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Sweet Addy,
Im so sorry ive missed so much going on with Zoe lately. Please do not ever judge your instinct. Having a dog with cushings certainly puts every one of us on high alert at ALL times, and when the slightest thing seems off, we react and act, whether it turns out to be nothing. you are far from being that long word "hypo whatever". See i cant even say it or spell it (lol). You love the Zoe and do everything possible out of love. I am praying for some great results so mommy can breath. Ahhhhhhh. Gosh ive missed you and my entire family here, but i am glad to still come back once in a while and say hello. HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Take care of you, remain faithful and know i love ya.
Xo Jeanette
I love you too dear Jeanette.:):):):) I am so happy to hear from you. I posted on your thread. I hope that is ok.
Patti- we are having the same crazy weather with tornado watch, thunder and lightening.
I just gave Zoe her 4 week bath and her pot belly is totally gone. I could see her shape once I had her soaking wet. The hair on her back legs is still not as dense and thick as the front but the front was never totally bald. I only left the ketochlor on for five minutes this time as I am trying to cut back becuase of her thin skin. She really did not need her bath yet but since it is warm out and expected to get colder I thought 4 weeks 5 minutes wait time of lather rather than six week with 10 minutes wait time for lather.
I guess I was shocked to see the difference in her belly since her bath 4 weeks ago. She has no more pot belly at all.
This is all so bizarre, this whole last year has me shaking my head.:confused: The vet said she could be a poster dog for Dechra.:rolleyes: Maybe that vulva tumor was causing problems before we even finally confirmed it. I thought something was wrong with her vulva last October.
Just thinking out loud, dont really expect a repsonse.;)
Isn't it amazing how quickly they lose that belly? Daisy's went in less than 2 weeks.
But that is my point, she has been on Vetoryl for 2.5 years. It was not fast at all:rolleyes:
It's really strange, that here it is 2.5 years later and suddenly the symptoms of loss hair, pot belly, etc, are gone or going away and the things that weren't only a niggling are now the main worries. Kidney, liver, etc, like that. Yet here Zoe is "looking" great.
If only there wasn't that current feeling that something is not right. Unfortunately that feeling is usually completely right and it just takes everyone else awhile to get caught up to what you already suspect. (like the vulva tumor problem)
I Hope that whatever it is that is causing that feeling in you, turns out to be something that can taken care of. I would say easily, but nothing is ever really easy on this journey.
Still stay safe, hope the horrid weather missed you.
I'm currently watching radar and trying to gauge when I can take molly out for her lost walk before the winds and rain get here. It's a fine line some time between making it dry or coming back drenched. LOL
hugs,
sharlene and molly muffin
Addy,
That is puzzling about her hair growing back so well now, and also no more pot belly now. But I am happy to hear it! :) I hope most of those horrible storms missed you, it looks like the Chicago area and Michigan got hammered. :( I hope you get the test results for Zoe today, will be waiting to hear. Fingers and paws still crossed here.
Hugs,
Tina and Jasper
Ok, now the top of her nose is filling in with hair too. :rolleyes:
She started walking funny after her surgery.
She had one bad episode last night after sleeping for a few hours where her bad front paw trembled terribly and it shook her head but as soon as I reached down and put my hands on her sides and stroked her, it stopped. So that was with Tramadol every night now.
But she is happy this morning so I decided I am going to put this all aside for now and just go back to enjoying her every day.
Thank you all for listening to me as I try to talk it all out.
Addy:
First thanks for the help with the melatonin. I am hoping you get Zoe's results today. I know when you say something is off that you are completely right. I am hoping it is something that can be fixed easily. I saw about the Zoe's leg trembling, Tipper does the same thing, I have to shake her or talk to her as it will not stop until she wakes up then it quits immediately. Blessings
Patti
Zoe and Flynn are both medical mysteries, aren't they?:rolleyes: I'm glad they have the moms they do to help uncover the secrets within. ;):p Yes!!! Enjoy that baby Addy. Above all else, enjoy her!:p:) xxxxx
Hi Addy-Reading over the past 3-4 days posts on your thread brings back the heavy feeling I carried around when Palmer was with us. The very frustrating feeling of seemingly being unable to get answers to what I felt were pretty basic questions and of being at odds with the vet.:mad: I'd like to wave my magic wand and give you a "reprieve" through the holidays.:D It doesn't work that way, unfortunately.:( I'll wish for it anyway.:)
By all means enjoy Zoe (and Koko) now. Stop and smell those roses. All any of us has is this moment. As for me, I think I'll start taking Vetoryl if it gets rid of that pot belly!!!!:D:D:D:D
Love,
Sus
she is 2.1 pre 1.9 post
her alkp is normal, cholesterol went down and UPC is .5
even her nose is growing hair
I should be so happy but I am not.
Is it she just has to get used to this low cortisol?
she is just not the same dog she was in August.
Addy, you absolutely are in tune with your girl! Although Dechra states that a post of 1.45 ug/dl is fine, I feel that number may be too low, even Dr Peterson has mentioned in his blog that a dog's post should not be below 2 ug/dl.
I just wish it wasn't so tricky finding a dose that one's dog feels best on.
Sending loving hugs to you both, Lori
Really good test results. :( You still have the feeling something is off? All the blood work numbers are in a good range though? You think she was just acting differently when her cortisol was higher?
I wish I had the answers.
I have the opposite issue...Trixie seems her normal self, seems in good health, yet her liver numbers say otherwise...it's distressing.
At least Zoe's numbers are good...but I understand how it gets to the nerves when your intuition is saying otherwise.
Barbara