Jenny, 8 y/o Maltese - Stop the meds - sweet Jen Jen has passed

[1DebbieJo]

I did print out Maryanne's last post, but index cards are a good idea.

We're off to the vets shortly. Will post about the progress.

[1DebbieJo]

Well, the doc changed her heart murmur ranking from a 4.5, to almost a six. He's increasing her dosage a bit of the lasik because of the fluids building up in her lungs ...which was slight, but we both agreed that we don't want to wait and let things get critical again like before.

So, the Cushings is taking a back seat for now to treat the murmur's symptoms. He's keeping her on her 20 mg per day, for now.

Woe is me. But, she's eating, playing (a bit) and so darned loving and cute. Lots of hugs and wags in return.

Debbie and Jenny

[molly muffin]

Sometimes you have to pick your battles. The heart mummer if it is causing fluid build up is definitely the most important. Hope the increase dosage helps with that.

[ShibaMom]

So sorry to hear that Jen Jen's murmur has worsened. I hope the increased lasik will work quickly to decrease the fluid build-up. Poor baby!

I'm glad she seems in good spirits, though. These guys (and gals) can really be troopers. Give her extra pets and love!

When will the vet be re-checking her?

Regards,
Samantha

[1DebbieJo]

Two weeks and by phone he said since she's going very well other than a few bad days...

[1DebbieJo]

two good days in a row. Very thirsty, but minute heart rate and respiration coming down.

One great day at a time with my Jen Jen.

[Dixie'sMom]

One great day at a time with my Jen Jen. I love your attitude and I love Jen Jen's attitude. What a sweet baby you have.

I hope the medicine helps her and she continues to feel good. Prayers coming your way!

[Squirt's Mom]

Hope you and Jen are doing well!

[1DebbieJo]

She's now waking me (sleeps on the bed) to get water, 3, 4 times a night. I keep a bowl of water on the nightstand for her. She isn't needing to go out though.

So well worth the sleep interruption. Love this dog.

[molly muffin]

Awww, well she is an adorable little girl I'm sure.

hugs

[1DebbieJo]

Went to a baby thrift store today and bought this stroller thingy, kind of so that we can resume our walks around the Rose Bowl. She's been my pal doing this for all her life. It made me crazy when she's been watching me put on my tennis shoes cause she always went before.

But tomorrow, we're back. ")

[molly muffin]

Yay! Can't wait to hear how much she enjoys the stroller!

[Harley PoMMom]

What a wonderful idea, and I bet Jenny will love being in the stroller along with her Mom.

[1DebbieJo]

I read up on all the literature from Jenny's five meds. The Lasik is the one that reduces fluids and is the one that increases her thirst.

I'm glad that the on line pet pharmacy provided all of the canine side effects to look for while taking the meds. For instance, Jenny's greenish bowl movements. Side effect. None that she is experiencing are worrisome.

But my vet never gave me any hand out literature, so this was nice to read yesterday.

Tomorrow is our first outing in the baby stroller. I've had a tweaked knee, but Jenny did get a trial run up and down the driveway. I need to put in one of her pillow beds so that she feels more stable inside.

But, she's feeling better.

[ShibaMom]

I'm so glad you were able to find explanations for your concerns.

I thought your idea to purchase the baby stroller was brilliant! I can't wait to hear how it goes. It will likely take a bit for Jenny to get used to the feeling of it. I'd imagine it could be a bit unsettling at first, and putting a pillow bed in there is a great idea to help mellow the sensations.

I hope your knee feels better, tweaked knees are NO fun!

Great to hear she's feeling better though, hurray!

Regards,
Samantha, Zanya and the crew

[1DebbieJo]

Well, I put her blankey in the carrier (not a stroller) and she was a bit jittery for the first quarter mile, but chillaxed and enjoyed the 3.2 miles. Lots of regular Rose Bowl walkers remembered her for our daily walks and stopped us to say hi and scratch under her chin.

A priceless outing.

XO

[1DebbieJo]

A week ago or so at Jenny's check up, the doc said if she began to cough or started retaining more fluid, he'd up her dosage of Lasik. I don't like to wait and tonight it was obvious she does need a med adjustment. I gave her half a tablet more tonight, and will consult with the vet in the morning.

She has congestive heart failure and the murmur from what the meds she's on treat.

[Squirt's Mom]

I'm so glad she enjoyed her outing! I bet she was cute as all get out in her new stroller. ;)

[1DebbieJo]

Extra Lasik appears to have reduced her puffiness/bloating from fluid build up.

Off on a stroller ride again soon.
")
Debbie and Jenny

[My sweet Ginger]

That's sweet. Cherish every happy moment with her. I'm thinking of getting a pouch for my Ginger so she can go places with me once the weather gets nicer. Even on our walks with Flora.

[Dixie'sMom]

I love the stroller idea. I bet she looks adorable. Take pictures if you can. :D I'm glad the extra fluid pill helped her. Hopefully the vet will agree that she neds a dose adjustment.

[molly muffin]

Good to hear that the puffiness has gone down a bit. Does she then seem to be breathing easier?

[1DebbieJo]

Yes, the increased dosage (and approval of the vet) also decreased the wheezing sounds I was starting to hear. I mean, any change in breathing pattern or amount, I hear and am wide awake.

Her respirations per minute have been dramatically reduced, as does the strain of breathing. I attribute that to the meds getting rid of the fluids.

When I think back to all the months of looking at her like some bloated little pig, and knowing that me and the vet missed that it was her heart and NOT a symptom of Cushings, I could just smack myself for not pursuing more.

All I know is that today, last night, she's stable, eating well, eliminating well, loving bunches, and LOVING her ride around the Rose Bowl. She's loving the extra attention from the other walkers who remember her from when she was tugging me along with her leash.

I know my days with her are numbered with such a severe murmur, but I do cherish every second of her improved quality of life due much in part to all of your contributions leading me to seek better and further care with questions.

Too many times we take our vet's advice as golden and don't dare to question. I would not have had her thyroid tested, amongst other questions had it not been the constant direction from you wonderful folks here.

Just feeling an attitude of gratitude for Jenny's and my new found friends on this site.

Hugs and wet nose kisses to you all,
Debbie (the hugs part) and wet nose kisses from Jen Jen.

[1DebbieJo]

Great Sunday "stroll" in her buggy today. Lots of hellos and pats on the head from regular walkers who know Jenny.

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[molly muffin]

I'm sure she loves the attention and people stopping to say hello. Sounds wonderful!!

[ShibaMom]

Thanks for the update, DebbieJo :)
I'm sure Jenny was in her element!! So sweet...

Cheers,
Samantha and Zanya

[1DebbieJo]

Since adding the additional dosage of the Lasik, Jenny's feeling even more frisky.. It's amazing. She does cough here and there after drinking water, then I stop everything to see if she's going into a seizure.

But when I think back to five weeks ago almost putting her down, and seeing her now, viable and so full of love and joy, it just warms my heart seeing her play.

In So. CA, March is lizard season. All the critters come down from the hill and the dogs go nuts. In the past, Jenny would be the hunter in the center. The two pups (now 7) flank her left and right. But yesterday, she let her son be the lead hunter and she supervised, yet barked and encouraged from the sidelines. Last week however, the lizard was her prize. She saw him, nabbed him and that was that.

To see her play....wow

[Dixie'sMom]

Awww... that is awesome! I smiled all the way thru your last few posts. Way to go Jen Jen! You get them lizards girlie!

I'm so happy y'all are having this time together. Precious Moments.

[ShibaMom]

Oh DebbieJo, I am SO happy to hear about Jenny's adventures with the lizards! It's incredible what a turnaround she's made. You've done an incredible job fighting for her and advocating for her. Two paws up for Mom!

[1DebbieJo]

Aww thanks. Today we were at the vet first thing because her abdomen appeared to really enlarge over night, and she was shaking her head a lot as in getting an ear infection.

He performed an ultrasoiund and her liver is really enlarged and no sign of ear infection. He decided not to mediate her ears since they were fine, but tonight she's shaking her head a lot. He said if the head shaking continues to return for some meds.

But my question is for anyone here that knows if ear infections are a sign of cushings?

Thanks,
Debbie

[molly muffin]

With cushings they can be prone to getting infections, since their immune system is affected. I've had a couple bouts of ear infections, where my dog had never had them before in her life, but now I have ear meds that I put in as soon as I start noticing the shaking of her head. I check them all the time to make sure they aren't turning red.

[1DebbieJo]

Yep, she shook her head off and on all night. I took off her collar. The jingle of her name tag and license seemed to annoy her.

I called the vet and I'm off to go pick up the RX. Is it pain that makes them shake their heads or, just infection and itching?

Debbie

[molly muffin]

It is an irritant in the ear that I think they first notice. Once it's gets unbearably itchy, then you see the head shake/scratch/head shake/head shake/scratch.

I don't think it will cause them pain exactly, unless it becomes very bad. Bad ear infections make the inner part of the ear, flaming red.

[1DebbieJo]

My Jenny's very sick today. Back to the labored breathing of six weeks ago. The ear drops have stopped the head shaking, but there's something else going on.

She was eating grass this morning. Didn't want water, BUT did eat the fresh chicken.

I feel she's slipping today. Wants to be left alone, and is sleeping a lot.
I think I'm losing her. She's calm and comfy with me right here, but she does keep going off to a corner to rest on the cooler tile floor.

I'll take her in tomorrow morning. But she's not in any pain that I can tell. Please pray for my Jenny.

[molly muffin]

Oh no, so sorry to hear this, she has been doing so good lately.

Let us know how she is. Does she look bloated at all? Could be a digestive upset, if you need to get some water in her, it is fine to use a syringe to squirt a bit in her mouth. Try putting some water on your finger even so she can lick it off and see if that perks her interest.

It could just be a gastro upset, but with Jenny and her problems she will definitely need to be looked at.

hugs

[Dixie'sMom]

I'm sending prayers your way for sweet Jen Jen. I hope she is just having a bad day and it is nothing serious or new that is going on. Please keep us posted on how she is doing.

[Squirt's Mom]

Sending lots of prayers and healing energies to Jenny. Any chance the ear drops are causing what you are seeing?

[pansywags]

Thinking of you and hoping for Jenny's improvement.

[1DebbieJo]

I said thank you Jesus this morning to awakening to her.
She did not come to the head of the bed for my usual wake up, which is her kisses and let's go out potty.

I lifted her down and she did not run to the door. I offered to carry her and she bolted as in I can do it myself. But the 30 foot sprint to the top of the stairs appeared to fatigue her. She stopped at the stairs and let me go down them. I waited for her at the bottom, but she did NOT want me to carry her. I let her other two pups out of their sleeping quarters and we went outside. She looked around as if in a daze. She had a normal bowl movement and tiddled, but did not go down the hill where she normally goes number 2.

I sat down on the patio and called the vet. He said stop the ear drops and let her rest today.

She ate her meds in her baby food and then I gave her fresh chicken in her kibble. I added more water to the kibble to get her to drink. She ate the chicken, coughed a bit during a couple of bites, but drank the water along with the chicken in it. She did not eat her kibble.

I then got some more just pure chicken and added water. She used her little nose to try and flip the bowl upside down as if to say I don't want that. Yesterday with this technique I got her to drink more water.

The vet said to watch her today, but I'm still going to take her in. This makes three visits in five days, so I know something is up.

I bought those clay circles to make paw prints of her right foot this morning. I'm making five. One for each oh my boys, me and the Christmas tree.

Thank you Jesus for giving me six more weeks with her I never thought I'd have.

Debbie and Jen Jen

[molly muffin]

Oh Debbie. Poor little Jen Jen. It seems so unfair. I'm glad you have had an extra six weeks with her. I Hope you have more.

Sending you big hugs.

[Dixie'sMom]

Please let us know what the vet says when you can. I'm still praying for your baby.

[1DebbieJo]

He said he doesn't think the whimpering are from the ear. No discharge or redness, but doesn't know if it's the pituitary tumor, cushings etc.

But did increase her dosage of the water medicine (can't think of the name) but said she's not well but NOT on death's door.

I cried all the way there and all the way home. She drank water on her own, and ate a grilled chicken patty from drive through Mc. Donalds.

Vet said to give her all her favorite foods. And we'll chat in 24 hours.
I did get a few referrals for home euthanasia in that Jenny wiggs out at the vet.

A breath for today. Lots of prayers please.
XO
Debbie and Jenny

[1DebbieJo]

Her morning meds kicked in, and she appears better, and stable?
I dunno. I'm just thankful. As you all know we're super vigilant when it comes to these babies with Cushing's and are so sensitive to even the slightest changes in their behavior.

She's not as lethargic as she was last night or this a.m. Just going to the vet and car ride made her feel better? Or, ? She shakes in the vet and would not crawl down from my arms. Cutie pie that she is.

Don't know what to make of her stable change, but I'll take it.
No BUGGIE rides today, just hanging out until she feels better.

XO and wet nose kisses

[My sweet Ginger]

Oh Debbie, I'm so glad Jenny feels better now.
I think they are more resilient than we think plus Jenny is still so young that she just might come out of this with the help of meds and the incredible love she's getting from you.
My thoughts and prayers will be with you and Jenny. Hugs.

[Harley PoMMom]

I am glad too that Jenny is feeling better, and I will be keeping you both in my thoughts and prayers.

Love and hugs, Lori

[1DebbieJo]

She's doing better....as possible?
She's not as lethargic as she was. Eating and DRINKING without force!

One more day God. Every day is precious with this amazing baby in my life.

XOXO

[Squirt's Mom]

Hoping today brings more smiles!

[1DebbieJo]

Woke to wet nose kisses on my cheek. What better way to start a day? Yesterday I had to lift her down from the bed.
She went outside to do her business, but came back in fatigued and laid down by the front door instead of following me back to the kitchen for her breakfast.

I hid her meds in the baby food, which she ate slowly at first, but ate it.
Then I fed her all of her favorites as the vet suggested.

I waited for her meds to kick in and then brought her with me for my walk around the Rose Bowl. It's about 75, the sun was shining, and she appeared to enjoy looking around. Still alert, and with it.

I spoke to two of those services that provide euthanasia in the home. I'm just praying that when she goes, she goes in her sleep and she's spared the drama and our tears for her.

I know the risk is there for her valve to blow, but this mantra of the home vet program is as I've shared, "better to be a day early than an hour late", which is fine and dandy, I just can't get on board with this just yet when I'm given kisses, she eats, wags her tail and does NOT have that look in her eyes that I'm looking for.

Advice on this?

[1DebbieJo]

Declining day by day. But not in any apparent pain. I wonder if the pituitary tumor caused the ear or head pain that made her shake her head without signs of infection.

I wonder if she has a head ache?
Would it hurt to give her something for pain? Just a little something?

She's had all of her favorites today. Bacon, roasted chicken, a bit of ground up tri tip. and lots of loving.
She's eating and drinking water, but I think she has a head ache or something. You can tell she just doesn't feel well.

What to do?

[Dixie'sMom]

I'm here to give you a big hug. I know you are so worried about Jenny and she is fragile, but she's hanging in there. You are both doing great, even tho it may not feel so great at times.

I don't know about the headache, but I'm sure its possible. With her heart condition, I guess the vet would be the best person to know if she can have something for pain and what that would be. I'm so glad she is eating and drinking on her own. That is a huge plus.

I know what you are looking for, when you say "that look in her eyes." It's like they're not really with you... like they're seeing something else you can't see and they're already gone from you. Shes not there if you're not seeing "the look" so I wouldn't go "before" in any rush no matter what the home vets say. You will know when.

Hang in there honey and just enjoy your sweet girl and I know she is loving and enjoying your attention and devotion. I'm still praying for you both and huge (((HUGS))) to you both.

[Squirt's Mom]

How did the night go? If she seems uncomfortable and you have something that might bring her some relief, I would use it. Our sweet Jenny is under, for all intents and purposes, palliative care and the goal here is comfort. Give her as much joy and comfort each day that you can and know she loves you all the more for it.

(((((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))))))))

[1DebbieJo]

What can I give her for discomfort or headache pain (which I assume is from the advancing pituitary tumor?

I'm afraid with her heart meds for heart failure and murmur to give her that enteric coated aspirin.

Any suggestions?

[molly muffin]

I don't know what could be given to her. Rimadyl? Have you asked your vet for some pain meds. I thought she was already on some.

[1DebbieJo]

Only given trammadol when we "thought" she had an ear infection. I just gave her some.

[Budsters Mom]

Buddy had a suspected pituitary macro tumor. His pain was managed with prednisone and tramadol to the end. Although he did have allergies and asthma, he did not have some of the other serious conditions that Jenny is dealing with. She is quite the trooper.

Kathy

[Dixie'sMom]

How is our little Jen Jen feeling today?

[molly muffin]

Did the tramadol seem to help her?

[1DebbieJo]

She panted ultra heavy like insanely rapid from midnight to four a.m. Visibly struggling to get comfy. She would not drink water from her bowl, but would lick the water dribble from my finger tips. I used ice packs to cook her for I was not sure if she was panting from Cushings or if she had a fever. At four she wanted down. I came down stairs sith her in my arms. I was fearful that she was going to go find a quiet place to die. I'd anointed her with oil and held a little stone cross on her tummy all night. I prayed to have Jesus help her make it through the night. I did giver her a tramadol at about 1:15 and by four it appeared to help quiet her. At 7:30 I laid down next to her on the floor. She kissed me over and over again but would not take water. I repeated the dribble with my fingers ad she took it. I took her potty and she went.

Back inside, I tried to give her the baby food with her meds. She refused it for the first time. I made her scrambled eggs. She refused it. She even refused her fresh chicken. She DID NOT refuse bacon. But no meds on board. By 1 I got her to take a couple of little hot dog bites with meds hidden in them. Then I had an idea. She loves tuna. I let her eat almost a can of tuna and she seamed starved! She then drank a lot of water. She gobbled that down tuna which pleased me so. All the day I was in contact with the vets office. We were going to put her down this morning but her regular vet was not in, and I have this huge court mediation thing tomorrow and if I lose her today, I won't be able to attend and it's mandatory or "else" (very contentious divorce going on). Vet on duty agreed that barking and chasing a deer and eating and drinking and pooping WITH a return to more normal breathing is not a dog in pain or on death's door. She has not given me THAT look yet. I'll hide her meds in tuna after a bit and see how she does. She could have just had a really bad night. I don't know by the heavy panting if that is just the end, or what, but with her Cushing's in the past, she'd have 20 minutes of the panting, then rest. Last night she'd have 60 minutes of heavy panting and 2 minutes of exhaustion resting breathing. Her breathing I'm happy to report is not with panting or labored breathing. She's stayed by my side all day keeping me in her site. She's laying on the cool hard wood floors and runs if I try to carry her. She came upstairs twice today to find me when I was putting away some clothes. I don't know if the brain tumor is causing her to have head aches, ear aches, or what, but she's not a complainer to pain anyway. She had this condition a year or so before I even found out about it. Probably longer... I leave here in the morning at 6:30 to get to SD by ten for the four hour mediation. My middle son will be home with her until noon. She'll only be alone for a few hour in the afternoon. I have no one else that can care for her in the about 3-4 hours that will comfort her. Any advice what else I should do besides leaving plenty of water , food, and giving her her pills before I go?

[Squirt's Mom]

If you have an old sweatshirt or something to put on the floor that has your scent she might like that if she gets to missing you.

[1DebbieJo]

I was gone 12 hours and my two sons took care of Jenny. I've got her on Torradol .25 mg for pain and guess what, she was not only happy to see me (jumping up ad down) but ate today for the boys, drank water and played. So, I'm guessing perhaps the pituitary is causing a head ache?

Either way from two nights ago, she's playing. I'll continue the meds AND take her in to see the vet in the a.m. The panting has stopped, appetite an thirst returned.

So, she's still viable for now and I'm NOT putting her down with a dog so loving and playful.

Thoughts?

[molly muffin]

I wouldn't let go just yet either when she acts like that.

[1DebbieJo]

Vet authorized 50 mg of Trammadol every 8 hours prn.

So, as long as we're all comfy with the round the clock meds and routine, all is well.

He did say that her gum tissue is blanched and shows that she's not getting enough oxygen to her brain and heart and lungs. But it was a minor change from a week ago.

We're status quo for the time being. He said like old people they can have good days and bad days.
XOXO

[Dixie'sMom]

Awwww. I'm so glad hear she's feeling better and eating and playing. It sounds like with pain control, she is getting closer to being her old self, although a slightly weaker version of her old self. Bless her heart.

Hugs and still sending those prayers your way. Hang in there Mom -- you're doing great. :)

[1DebbieJo]

Awww thanks. She's sedated a bit of course by the Trammadol. I've got her on the minimum dosage. Vet ok'd 50 mg every 8 hours, but, I'd been giving her like 12.5 and that was working. She's stopped shaking her head as I said and I assume she had a head ache from the pituitary gland tumor. Don't know.

All I know is that every day is a blessing with her in it. I do set the alarm at night for her pain and Lasek (sp) water pills. I'm trying to adjust the time so that I just get up at 6:00 a.m. instead of 2 a.m.

All is well for today. fluid in her abdomen appears to be less with the addition of a third dosage of the Lasek.

I'm blessed. Every morning she wakes up and licks my face before we get out of bed, I say a little prayer of thanks. Together we say thank you Jesus.

XO to all my support here.
Debbie and Jen Jen

[molly muffin]

Yes, each and every day is a special day when they are with us.

Enjoy those morning kisses

[1DebbieJo]

So, I have two of Jenny's pups. They are 7. One male, one female. I've been so busy with Jenny, I was not too busy to notice that the boy pup, Beamer, has not been himself.

I took him to the vet yesterday. It was confirmed that he also has the genetic heart defect (whole in his heart!!) and already has a grade 3 murmur WITH regurgitation.

Vet said that there is no medical research that states that putting a dog in early diagnosis prolongs their life.

So here I sit, after 24 hours of tears, dumbfounded that my little guy buddy, Beamer, will meet the same fate as his mother.

I called the other two pups moms and they assured me that their dogs had had recent physicals and all is well.

The other pup I have, Amelia, a 6 pound little cutie, only has this weird "blubber nugget" (don't know what else to call it) under her left arm pit that has now grown to the size which is affecting her little shoulder. The vet said because it's affecting her walking, it would have to come out.

So, with that, I leave you with food for thought. If we thought our lives were short, let me tell you, our beloved furry ones lives are even shorter. XOXO

[Squirt's Mom]

They are so very short, huh? But they live so fully, so completely in the now, and invest everything they have in all they do, whether sleeping or chasing rabbits. Every moment of their lives has purpose and is full of meaning to them. If we humans lived so intently in every second of our lives, we might be able to accomplish what our babies do in their short span of years.

I am so sorry to hear about your sweet Beamer. I hope his years are comfortable. I KNOW they will be filled with love and TLC 'cause your his mom. ;)

Is Jenny doing ok? She is so precious!

[1DebbieJo]

Jenny is holding her own. Tough times.

[Squirt's Mom]

(((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))))

[Dixie'sMom]

Oh honey... I'm so sorry to hear about Beamer. I swear, sometimes in our lives, its just one step forward to get knocked back 2 steps. I know its breaking your heart. I also know that you will pick yourself up whenever you get past this and give all of your furbabies the best life ever. And its as the others have said, its quality, not quantity that matters to them. The "time" is what haunts us parents. (((((HUGS))))) AND more prayers!

[1DebbieJo]

Took Jenny to the vet today for an ear infection. Two weeks ago it wasn't red nor did it have discharge. But Saturday it was clear something was up. Vet gave me meds two weeks ago for her ears but said he didn't think it was the problem.

Saw a different vet today. Dark black gooey stuff in left ear. They irrigated and treated it and gave new RX with a less viscous solution. $120 later.... It's odd how each vet is so different. Each has info. This vet asked if Jenny had any problems with her vision. None that I'm aware of in that she tracked down a lizard only two weeks ago. This vet said that when the pituitary tumor really grows out of control, the dogs lose their eye sight. Jenny just had goop in her ears. On the 5th of March it was clear and now redness.

Either way, 8th medication.

My love is feeling better already!
Debbie and Jenny

[1DebbieJo]

Ear infection appears better. She had a restful night. Seems a bit better all around today. But I still watch like a hawk....

Vet said her lungs sounded clear yesterday which is a sign to me that her meds are working as they're supposed to.

We thanked Jesus today for yet another morning waking together.
XO

[molly muffin]

That is good that Jenny seems to be doing well. Lungs clear, energy and recovering from the ear infection.

Good news indeed.

[1DebbieJo]

Thanks. Just taking one good day at a time.

[1DebbieJo]

Good days and bad days. The trammadol, even at half dosages makes her dopey, so I'm trying to judge when I think she needs it. So hard to know.

Today she woke up and acted like she was in a weird trance. She went outside to her doggie yard and just sat there staring at the hillside. She usually is in the chow line. Not today. I had to coax her inside.

She then ate her meds in the baby food, and ate only the chicken out of her kibble chicken and water mix. She's my shadow today as always, but I wish I knew how she was feeling as in pain.

Do I error on the side of caution and just give her a little round the clock, or, do I watch for signs, which is usually too late, right?

Ugggg

[Squirt's Mom]

Personally, I would give it as seldom as I could since it seems to make her so dopey. We want her to garner some pleasure from her days and that is hard to do when you are loopy so I would use it as sparingly as possible. Of course, what she's getting now may well me the least she can take.

[1DebbieJo]

Jenny didn't have any pain meds today. Didn't appear to need them. But was tired. So very tired. She looked at me in a way that I have not seen before. Exhaustion. Do they stay alive just for us?

As I've said I've been going through a five year divorce and am in the final "settlement" phase. Tears are here and there, but they in general are for my Jenny. She appears to know. Each night when we hop into bed, I tell her it's okay to go to sleep forever and that I'll see her soon.

I read that they know we're hurting and sense our angst and grief. I try to eclipse the emotion from my words as I tenderly kiss her good night as if every night is her last night.

I'm torn between how she looked at me earlier, then, wanted her supper and let me know. She's eating, (ran down our hill to chase and bark at a deer with her son) but tired. Still going out on her own. But I am carrying her up and down the stairs because she's exercise intolerant (except when chasing a deer for 20 feet) and I'm helping I think save her energy.

Today I took her with me around the Rose Bowl for my walk. She in her buggy, but half way around she whimpered either I want to run, I want to go home, or??, but I know that maybe the excitement of seeing the other dogs is too much.

It's such a hard call not to take her. I let her sit in my lap and let the wind blow in her face which she loves.

It's just such a hard call. If only she could talk.

A very sad Debbie

[Squirt's Mom]

We are here, Debbie. We are holding you in our arms. It's ok to cry. We are here, honey.

[1DebbieJo]

Thank you!!!
Is it time? We had a rough night. The pain meds made her wired kind of. She couldn't get comfy. And, she's always been a "foot of the bed" kind of girl. Independent and not a snuggler around by face or neck.

Last night in her back and forth across the bed, she kept coming up to my face and licking me. I got her night stand water bowl and she drank and drank. She then laid back down but then up again for more water three times. She then let me know she had to go out. We came back and she was still restless. It was a really unseasonably warm night so with her panting, I guessed she may have truly been warm. I put her on the cool hard wood floor and she slept the rest of the night. But we had about three hours of her normal sleeping time with her back and forth pacing bit.

Today, she's less than she was yesterday. Still has a great appetite, even chewed on her toy a bit. Still taking her meds, still drinking and peeing on her own yet not leaving my side.

I know that she's slowing down and acting far more tired than she has in weeks past. I'm just so fearful that she's suffering in any way.

If only she could talk.
XO

[Dixie'sMom]

I'm here for you too. I know it's taking a toll on you, watching and waiting and wondering when... It sounds to me like she is ok even if very tired. Like a little grandmotherly lady... weak and slow but not necessarily unhappy? She still shows love for you and interest in her surroundings, even tho it takes more out of her. I'm not sensing she's in any real distress?? Is she??

Hugs and prayers for you and sweet Jen Jen. Just enjoy your little lady.

[1DebbieJo]

Last night I took her with me to a outside cafe to celebrate a friend's birthday. I'd packed her meds (crushed and ready for the baby food), a paper plate, and spoon, and she ate while we had appetizers. She was a perfect lady.

My friends could not get over how happy she looked to be out, with me, etc. I left for a brief moment to use the rest room and my friends said she panicked. When my friend lifted her to show her that I was inside walking towards the outside cafe part, she wanted down and to come to me. My friends said it was the cutest thing.

She ate, she drank the water in the bowl the staff provided, and sat in a chair without a peep.

We drove home with the window down. Wind blew in her hair.
She was actually rolling around on the carpet scratching her own back, then chewed on her stuffed toy.

Today, she's as you said, like an exhausted old lady who "did too much". But, she was so happy to be out. She was adorable and it was good for us both to get out. I've not gone anywhere without her, or without someone not being by her side.

Today we're going to buy some more of that modeling clay that dries in the air. We're going to make her paw print and my hand print together. That will soothe my aching heart.

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[1DebbieJo]

Last night was a traumatic night. I made dinner for my god mother since her hubby had been in the hospital. I took Jenny with me to deliver the meal.

When I arrived, their 14 year old blonde lab was foaming at the mouth and gasping for air. The friends said, no, he was just playing an hour ago and ate his dinner. I said I'm sorry that dog is dying. Look at him.

With that he got up, staggered to the bushes, staggered out, fell into their pool. The sick husband nabbed him by the collar and led him to the stairs where I was able to lift him out.

He died within a few minutes in my lap with my God mother petting his head. The tragedy is that these folks are not true dog folks like I am. They never took this dog to the vet. They didn't listen to me when I arrived (remember I'm a dental hygienist and have quite a bit of medical training) and were in denial. When we got "Pal" out of the pool I told the husband to call their son to rush home. He was too late. The dog died before he could get home. Had they called when I arrived and let me tend to the dog, he would have never fallen in the pool....

I'm still getting over it today. Jenny did not come near, she was too busy sniffing their yard.

Sad sad stuff that a dog suffered like he did.

But today, Jenny's had a peppy day. I'm very encouraged.
XO

[Squirt's Mom]

OMG How horrible for you and that poor dog! So sorry you had to experience that...I'm sure that tore you up. :(

I am glad Jenny didn't show any interest in following Pal and glad she had a good day yesterday. Hope today is even better.

[Dixie'sMom]

Oh how horrible! Thank God you were there to help that poor baby cross over to the bridge. It sounds like the parents were so out of touch and didn't have those instincts or just didn't want to face what was going on. Bless your heart.

[molly muffin]

Hugs Debbie. That must have been absolutely horrible! :(

[1DebbieJo]

I was crying for the dog not for my friends who didn't know any better. As I said, the wife said, "He ate an hour ago and played with his ball."

Now in retrospect, seeing the foaming at the mouth and ropey saliva, I just pray he did not swallow that ball.

He was so gauntly thin that I knew it had to be cancer, but if he went out any other way.....

My Jen's 9th birthday is tomorrow. I wet to Petsmart and bought her a birthday hat, chicken jerky treats and a few party hats for her pups.
She's had a rough afternoon and I just have prayed all afternoon that she does NOT die on her bday. I had been praying she made it to her 9th bday, which two weeks ago seemed improbable.

Yesterday a good morning. but she was exhausted by afternoon and too tired to climb our stairs for the first time since her first spell back late January.

For my fur praying friends here please say an extra little prayer for my Jen Jen that she enjoy her bday. I did bather her today because the ear drops made her ear so dirty and her hair on that ear so black.

I just am trying to do the right thing every day.
XOXO

[Squirt's Mom]

Happy 9th Birthday, sweet Jenny!

[molly muffin]

Happy birthday Jenny!

Yay

I hope it's a good day for you both

[1DebbieJo]

She's about to have a bite of birthday bacon. Vet said give her what she wants... Lean part of course.

I'm so blessed for her to have made it three more weeks when the vet said "any day, hour, minute, or week."

Happy birthday sweet Jenny.

[Dixie'sMom]

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[judymaggie]

Jenny, Abbie sends you a big a-roo-ooo for your birthday!

[Harley PoMMom]

Happy Birthday, sweet Jenny!!!

[1DebbieJo]

Just gave her some Trammadol. She was laying in the foyer with a light like shiver. Tough to know if it's pain, or ?, but doc said when in doubt.

Then, I delivered some deviled eggs to a neighbor and she went along for the ride and acted peppy and perfectly healthy in front of the neighbor. So, go figure, right?

[1DebbieJo]

Coughing a bit now. Breathing rapidly five times in a row like an inhale through her nose, then ok.

She ran out to bark. But coughed along the way and stopped.

Vet in the a.m.

But, she made it through to her bday today!
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[1DebbieJo]

I instictively gave Jenny more Lasek (water pill...sp?) and that helped with the wet rattle I heard in her breathing.

I'm en route to the vet now.

[1DebbieJo]

Thanks Abby!

Just back from vet. He gave her a five day Rx injection for the congestion in her lungs. He wasn't going to but I said with a long weekend coming up, I'd rather be proactive, and she still has active discharge in her ear from the ear infection although on the Rx for 10 days today.

He increased her frequency and amount of the Lasek meds.

She's by my feet as I type.

XO
Debbie and Jenny

[Squirt's Mom]

Glad she got the shot and hope all goes well the next few days! She is such a trooper!

[1DebbieJo]

Breathing already improved in the 12 hours since the shot.
I just set the alarm for 3 a.m. to give her the next water pill.

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[1DebbieJo]

That shot must have addressed either brewing fluids/infection/pneumonia? or something because she slept better and her respirations were less per minute.

A good night for a change.

[Dixie'sMom]

You and your vet are doing such a great job with Jenny. You work so great together as a team for your sweet girl. Hugs and prayers for more wonderful blessings.

[1DebbieJo]

Another night. I'm so glad that the vet gave her that shot. It's helped her ear infection too.

Another prayer of thanks for her waking beside me.

Debbie and Jenny

[1DebbieJo]

Rough night. Nights as I've said are worse for her. I'm trying to elevate her a bit so that her heart doesn't work so hard.

New development today which is odd. Her tongue is not pink like it was, it's more blueish as are her gums. I know this has something to do with her heart, just not quite sure.

We were up and down all night with her thirst, but weird breathing. She wanted to sleep on the cool bathroom tile. After getting up three or four times, I ended up nabbing my pillows and laying down next to her. I gave her her 3 a.m. Lasek and after about 30 minutes her breathing was better.

Her five day shot will last until Tuesday. Her ear is still causing her discomfort even with the 2x day drops rx.

I'll take her in tomorrow for anesthetic drops for the ears and to have the doc take a look at that blue-almost purple tongue.

I know it can't be good.

[Squirt's Mom]

Blue gums can mean they are not getting enough oxygen, same as in humans. How is her breathing?

[1DebbieJo]

We had a rough night. Her breathing changes. In the last four days I've heard her (and saw her) like "sniff" for air almost like a reverse sneeze.

But that lasts about 10 seconds and she's fine.

I know that about circulation. Her gums and tongue are better today, but far from pink.

I worry and watch. Not giving pain meds regularly now that it appears we've got her ear infection under control.

The increase in Lasek works but I know why the vet is holding back on a larger increase= her kidneys.

We made it to her bday April 1. I'm spending ever moment with her by my side, and me by hers. That's how this love works out.

")

[1DebbieJo]

Last night I palpated a little egg shaped encapsulated bubble lesion in Jenny's lyph nodes on the side where she has the ear infection.

She had a rough first three hours of sleep then did fine on the cool tile of the bathroom floor next to the water dishes.

I gave her the water meds about 4 and she rested another hour and a half then really had to pee. Tongue actually a little less blue today so I'm encouraged...a bit.

Thanks for listening, I mean reading.
Debbie and Miss Jen Jen

[1DebbieJo]

Now her right side has an even larger bubble thing in her lymph node area. That was NOT there last night.

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Debbie

[1DebbieJo]

Vet examined Jenny and was not sure if the little peanut and pea sized bumps in her lymph were her lymph nodes at all or her salivary glands.

He gave her another mega RX shot, did a through exam and said she's do as well as can be expected with her bad heart.

I took her home and then I went to a counseling appointment. While there, she started this reverse sneezing like thing. I was scared stiff, left the appointment and called the vet. The had me bring her in, re-examine her and then gave her a shot of Lasek. She's been a little fussy in taking them and they're the only pills I don't grind and hide in her baby food because she takes them every 6 hours.

I know I'm not really asking any questions right now but kind of just blogging. But sharing is kind of cathartic. I know and trust that if you guys saw or thought I was mismanaging her care you'd speak up.

Oh, the blue tongue waxes and wanes. We all know it's circulation, but today when she did the weird breathing thing her tongue was not blue. I just wonder if both vets she saw today could be wrong.

???

[Dixie'sMom]

This may be a totally dumb thing to say, but allergy season and pollen overload is starting here. Has Jen ever had allergies? Could it be totally unrelated and more of an allergy thing since her tongue and gums aren't blue when she does it?

I think you are doing an amazing job with her and just keep on venting on us. I love hearing how she is doing and seeing the loving care you give her everyday. Hugs and prayers coming your way.

[Squirt's Mom]

Just dropping in to leave hugs and belly rubs!

[My sweet Ginger]

Found this article. Hope this eases your mind a little. Hang in there.

Reverse sneezing is a disconcerting event in which a dog makes unpleasant respiratory sounds that sound like it is dying -- or will die in the next few minutes. Reverse sneezing sounds similar to the honking noise made by a dog with a collapsing trachea, but reverse sneezing is a far simpler condition that usually does not need any treatment. It is called reverse sneezing because it sounds a bit like a dog inhaling sneezes. The sound the dog makes can be so scary that many owners have rushed in a panic to emergency clinics in the middle of the night.

The most common cause of reverse sneezing is an irritation of the soft palate and throat that results in a spasm. During the spasm, the dog’s neck will extend and the chest will expand as the dog tries harder to inhale. The problem is that the trachea has narrowed and it’s hard to get the normal amount of air into the lungs.

Anything that irritates the throat can cause this spasm and subsequent sneeze. Causes include excitement, eating or drinking, exercise intolerance, pulling on a leash, mites, pollen, foreign bodies caught in the throat, perfumes, viruses, household chemicals, allergies, and post-nasal drip. If an irritant in the house is the cause, taking the dog outside can help simply because the dog will no longer be inhaling the irritant. Brachycephalic dogs (those with flat faces, such as Pugs and Boxers) with elongated soft palates occasionally suck the elongated palate into the throat while inhaling, causing reverse sneezing. Small dogs are particularly prone to it, possibly because they have smaller throats.

Reverse sneezing itself rarely requires treatment. If the sneezing stops, the spasm is over. Oftentimes, you can massage the dog’s throat to stop the spasm; sometimes it’s effective to cover the nostrils, which makes the dog swallow, which clears out whatever the irritation is and stops the sneezing. If the episode doesn't end quickly, you can try depressing the dog’s tongue, which opens up the mouth and aids in moving air through the nasal passages. Treatment of the underlying cause, if known, is useful. If mites are in the laryngeal area, your veterinarian may use drugs such as ivermectin to get rid of the mites. If allergies are the root of the problem, your veterinarian may prescribe antihistamines. Because reverse sneezing is not a severe problem, do not worry about leaving your dog home alone; if it occurs when you're not there, the episode will most likely end on its own.

If reverse sneezing becomes a chronic problem rather than an occasional occurrence, your veterinarian may need to look up the nasal passages (rhinoscopy), and may even need to take a biopsy to determine the cause of the problem. Sometimes, however, no cause can be identified.

Some dogs have these episodes their entire lives; some dogs develop the condition only as they age. In most dogs, however, the spasm is a temporary problem that goes away on its own, leaving the dog with no after-effects.

[1DebbieJo]

Oh thank you all. The article really helps. I guess when Jenny has as many things going on as she does, I'm watchful for any changes.

She's definitely slowing down daily. But this extra time has given me emotional time to process losing her.

Who thought with care she could survive and enjoy three more months of life after that horrific second and third diagnosis?

XO to all my furbaby friends.
Debbie and Jenny

[1DebbieJo]

i'm so thankful for that article!! It says right in the middle that exercise intolerant is also to blame for the reverse sneezing.

I still have not left her without direct supervision, but it's good and comforting to know that's what this probably is.

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[1DebbieJo]

Those little lumps must be salivary issues. Her tongue has been dryer r.
But tonight, my alarm went off a bit as I noticed what I thought was difficulty swallowing.

I know. I will not let it get to the point where she cannot eat or swallow. I've already told the kids that this dog deserves better.

XO
Debbie

[MilliesGrandma]

Debbie, when you run your hands down the back of her legs, can you feel her lymph nodes just above the back of her knees?

[1DebbieJo]

Yes.
Her tongue is more moist than yesterday. Her lymph/salivary glands in her throat are smaller but she did just get another five day shot of antibiotics. ???

[MilliesGrandma]

Ah so maybe she's fighting an infection since they reduced with anti biotics. That's good. 😊

[1DebbieJo]

I think that ear infection got out of control even with the second batch of different drops.

But she's definitely doggin it these past two days.

[1DebbieJo]

Jenny threw up today from too much medication.

Vet and I discussed stopping the vetoryl at this late juncture with her heart. I'd like the forum folks opinion and what will happen to her and do you stop this abruptly or is it a taper med?

[1DebbieJo]

As many of you know, my Jenny has complications beyond now advanced Cushings. She has the grade 5.8 heart murmur, congestive heart failure, and symptoms of cushings. She's on 6 different regular meds which includes the Vetoryl.

She's been having a few rough days and even vomited earlier today. But I think that's because the vet gave her a pretty hefty injection of Lasek and RX which was followed up with more Lasek 8 hours later.

Here nor there, the vet and I had a discussion today about taking Jenny off the Vetoryl. I don't know the pros and cons of taking her off abruptly or if at all since the 20 mg. per day has controlled her Cushing's symptoms. However, the vet did not know if there would be complications from removing it? He said "No one knows" since her circumstances are far from routine.

He's giving her weeks but maybe days. She had a blue tongue two days ago, and dry tongue, but it is pink and moist now... Go figure. The reverse snorting or sneezing stopped when I disconnected one of those plug in air fresheners.

Question of the night. Should I take her off the Vetoryl and give her organs a break? Or, is the stress of the heart conditions exactly what cause her body to produce MORE cortisol?

Please advise. The vet as I said, didn't know, but thought maybe we should try to take her off that med.

Your thoughts?

[LtlBtyRam]

I haven't been around for a long time, but I would say quality of life. Are the good days more than the bad, is she still eating, drinking, doing duties ok? When I face this decision those are the things I'm counting on to tell me when. I hope you find your answers.

[labblab]

Debbie, you'll see that I've merged your newest post into your original thread. For your questions of this importance, I think it is important for folks to have access to Jenny's entire story.

As far as stopping the Vetoryl alone, I am not sure what your vet feels would be gained by doing that. I don't know any reason why trilostane is particularly taxing on her heart, and I would think that keeping her Cushing's symptoms under control would make her more comfortable rather than less comfortable while she remains alive. For instance, if you are worried about her being fluid-overloaded (which is why you are giving her the lasix to counter that, so as to ease her breathing), I wouldn't think you'd want her to become excessively thirsty again.

Having said that, perhaps a broader and more difficult question is whether you want to keep supporting her in this fragile state by continuing to give any meds at all. Or has she reached the point where the kinder decision is to instead stop all the medication that is prolonging her life so that either she will pass away naturally or you will euthanize if she is suffering as a result.

I am so sorry you are faced with such a heart-breaking decision. I do think Jenny's comfort is of paramount importance. I'm afraid that stopping the Vetoryl may make her less comfortable, rather than more. But if you decide to do so, you can either just decrease the dose or stop it entirely. You don't have to titrate it down. Theoretically, cortisol should start elevating again within just a day or so, and when the level is high enough you will likely see Cushing's symptoms re-emerge.

Marianne

[1DebbieJo]

Thanks for combining the posts. When Jenny got that ear infection, it was pretty bad. Three weeks of drop/rx and she was no better. Then two of the five day injections and finally that's under control.

When she threw up yesterday, I called the vet because he said if she starts to vomit, that signals the end. He said it would be a violent two minutes and that I cannot have. However, to get her to take her meds yesterday in the baby food, I had to add bacon bits. She vomited only once but was better 30 mins later. I called the vet back and he said I'd know the difference between a tummy upchuck (paraphrasing) and a projectile or violent vomit.

He's told me over and over again that she's a sick little dog, but she's stable as long as she's not in pain. That ear infection... of unknown etiology was very hard on her. But now that this appears to be under control. and she actually slept really well the last two nights, I'm back to monitoring her for pain.

There's no cure for pituitary Cushings, or her heart murmur or congestive heart failure. This dog and I have spent very little time apart since January 26th when she collapsed in CHF and seizures...which seizure was determined to be "neurological"....as in progressed cushings, per the vet.

I didn't know how soon her Cushing's symptoms would return if I discontinued the meds, so thank you. I surely do not want to add more symptoms or suffering to this amazing little furbaby.

Thanks, and I'll keep posting her stats.

Debbie and Jenny

[LtlBtyRam]

Know those in my household are keeping you and yours in our thoughts. I empathize with the decisions you are faced with.

[1DebbieJo]

Thank you. And of course, a new development today.
A little urinary incontinence

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[1DebbieJo]

False alarm. Not from Jenny! ") Ice cube melted (from son dropping) so I'm so relieved!

[Dixie'sMom]

LOL! I love false alarms. :D

Praying for your little girl today and a big hug for you - the best furbaby Mom ever!

[Robert]

Praying for Jenny and hers. I lost a dog to cardiomyopathy and the day I let her go I just knew it was time to let her go. All the heart meds definitely helped and gave her an extra time in a health condition where she had some level of enjoyment. Hang in there and thinking of both of you

[Robert]

Also as a purely personal view if you decide to stop the heart meds it may be time to let Jenny go or at least have a long talk to your vet. Cushing meds I can't comment on.

[1DebbieJo]

We've had a few good days in a row now and I'm encouraged...a bit. I know we cannot cure her heart murmur, or fix her cardiomyopathy, but, Jen Jen appears to be very happy of late. That pesky ear infection gone...

Yay for one good day at a time.
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Debbie and Jenny

[Robert]

Good to hear. Enjoy the good days. Know how stressful cardiomyopathy can be so feel for tYou and jenny. Praying for both of you.

[LtlBtyRam]

Gotta love the happy days:D

[molly muffin]

Yep, happy days are good days :)

[1DebbieJo]

Three good days and now a lot of that weird breathing that the on call vet said is like reverse sneezing or allergies or asthma...

I still get scared. To me, it sounds like she's trying to get more air.
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[Harley PoMMom]

Three good days and now a lot of that weird breathing that the on call vet said is like reverse sneezing or allergies or asthma...

I still get scared. To me, it sounds like she's trying to get more air.
"(

My dogs did that reverse sneezing, the vet told me that when that does happen it does make breathing a bit difficult and if they would just open their mouths they could get air that way, so a couple times when one of my dogs would be having a reverse sneezing episode I tried opening their mouth and I think it did help some, don't know if if was because they did get some extra air or if I just distracted them from what was happening.

Hugs, Lori

[1DebbieJo]

Thanks, well, we're just adjusting to good and bad days. I spoke to the vet about her losing weight. He said maybe the Lasek is just working. But she's back up due to the water weight anyway.

Reverse sneezing happening in the night now too. I some how knew to open her mouth to show her she could breathe through her mouth. Not instinctive to her.

[molly muffin]

How is Jenny doing today?

[LtlBtyRam]

How is Jenny doing today?

Yes how is Jenny doing. I'm keeping an eye on your thread as well for news of Jenny.

[1DebbieJo]

I'm pleased to announce that we've had a good week. I bathed her yesterday and let her groomer just do the cut. Usually I drop her and her pups off at 9 and pick them up at four. But I asked for a special for Jenny in that I didn't want her to go through the stress of being bathed and groomed, put in a kennel etc. as she REALLY stresses and shakes when i leave her.

The groomer was great. Had her in and out in an hour while I waited near by. I tried to watch from their grooming window, but Frank said that she could still see me but was even more anxious to get to her mommy. lol So I hid around the corner.

Her medication dosages seem to be perfect for her now. She still struggles with black tary bowl movements, but someone here said that's because the food is passing quickly through her. But her meds are causing that. She's hungry, even FRISKY these past few days. I watch her for over-exertion in that is when she gets the cough. When she's upset she starts that reverse sneezing thing.

I wish I could teach her that she can breathe through her mouth like panting. She seems to be struggling to get air when she does that reverse sneezing thing and not a sneeze at all. But I have to trust the vet. She panics when she has one of those attacks. But I calm her and assure her she's fine.

Day at a time. Today we're going to resume our walk (she in her buggy) around the Rose Bowl. ")

Thanks for checking in on us. I do know every day with her is a blessing, but she's made it longer than the vets guessed she would.
24/7 care as needed is what it took.

XOXO Debbie AND Jenny.

[Dixie'sMom]

I'm so glad to hear that Jen Jen is doing good this last week or so. Your loving care is what is carrying her thru this. Hugs and prayers and wishes for many more good days!

[judymaggie]

Debbie -- one thing to try with Jenny with regard to the reverse sneezing. When it starts, put your palm lightly over her nostrils. This works with Abbie -- forces her to breathe through her mouth.

[StarDeb55]

Debbie, I have not posted to you previously, but have been following Jenny's story. There is something you mentioned in your latest post that raises a huge red flag. First of all, I must tell you that I am a medical lab tech with 30+ years experience, but I am not a vet.

She still struggles with black tary bowl movements, but someone here said that's because the food is passing quickly through her.

I don't want to scare the devil out of you, but black, tarry stools are defintely not normal. This type of stool usually indicates the presence of blood in the stool. If you haven't mentioned this to your vet, I strongly suggest that you contact the vet & let them know ASAP. If I were in your shoes, I would want my pup to have a complete blood count done to make sure that Jenny is not developing anemia due to occult bleeding in her GI tract.

Debbie

[1DebbieJo]

Thanks for the heads up. I will. It's not like black blood or old blood in her stool, but all the meds she's on creates very smelly "farts" too.

I'll bring it to his attention on Monday. She's doing great again tonight, knock on wood and thank you Jesus.

Debbie and Jen Jen

[LtlBtyRam]

I am happy to hear you both are doing well. I know the 24 hour care routine as I think we all do. Here is hoping to things getting even better!
Angela & Shasta & family

[pansywags]

One more thing to try with the reverse sneezing: feeding a small treat (if you are worried about choking or anything, make it a bit of wet food or something similarly squishy) can help distract as well as sort of 'reset' the palate as they take the treat and swallow it.

[Robert]

Hi great to hear things are stable at the moment and you and jenny are enjoying each other's company. She must love getting to spend so much time with you. I had 2 Maltese, and now have 2 Maltese Shitzu and 3 of the 4 have had reverse sneezing. All vets have tod me it sounds scary but very very common and nothing to be concerned about. Cheers

[1DebbieJo]

Thank you all for your kind words.
The vet just called back regarding Jenny's black tarry looking poohs. She concurred that it could be very serious (sign of bleeding from small intestine or tumor) and to watch for changes. This mostly occurred when she had the two mega shots of RX and seems to have tapered if not disappeared.

She still has some POWERFULLY stinky gas, lol, but to me, it's ok as long as she's with me.

A newer development (last five days) is that she no longer wants to sleep on the bed with me, but in her bed on the floor next to my bed. I do hear her get up and get water (which I was doing when she came to the head of the bed in the night) and I assume goes out to her fenced in potty yard. I was getting up to give her water, and take her out, but she's so independent. She's also very funny if I offer to carry her out. I outstretch my arms and ask if she wants me to carry her. In a response of almost defiance she bolts down the stairs, which warms my heart.

She may be sick but there's still a lot of dog left in the fight.
") Debbie and Jen Jen
P.s. I guess I wouldn't mind hearing about a remedy for her gas, but if it's one more medication, I'd rather pass and just by nose plugs.

[1DebbieJo]

Well today we have a bad new development.

Last night when I took her out to potty before bed, she began limping. left read leg. I thought muscle cramp. I rubbed it and she even slowly came up stairs on her own. I put her on my bed as we usually start out and over the past 6 days then wants down as the evening kicks in.

Last night she did not budge. This morning I didn't see her nestled in the white fluffy pillows, and came down stairs to let the other dogs out to go pee. I thought she was down here. She was not. I went upstairs and she was in the exact place I'd laid her down last night. I had to life her to carry her down. Rigid body apparently all over.

I carried her to the yard and she tried to take a few steps to tiddle, but fell over on her side. She did not try to pee. I lifted her in my arms and tried to message her hip and leg and extend and retract her leg to perhaps loosen it up. I put her down and the same thing. She tried to take two steps, but toppled over on her side.

I ran back inside to get her some Trammadol and when I went back outside, she'd made it across the yard to where the other two dogs were sitting on the deck. I gave her water, which she lapped up. I came inside to get her meds ready by making them into powder and mixing with baby food. She must have heard the "familiar mom's making breakfast and came in on her own, but not weight bearing on her left rear hip. She ate her breakfast like she was starving. I fed the other dogs. As I typed this message, she came over to me and wanted up and for me to hold her. I did. Lots of kisses but she's been so independent lately this was not normal behavior for her.

I'm waiting for the trammadol to kick in to see if she just developed morning stiffness, but she did have it start last night.

Oh, now what?

I'll take her in to the vet if not better in the moring.
XO
"( Debbie and Jenny

[molly muffin]

Oh poor jenny. Hope nothing serious. I would get it checked out if she still doing this.

[1DebbieJo]

Trying to get some Remydyl from a friend to hold us over til morning.
She has trammadol, which is so constipating.

My little sweetie.

Anyone know if advanced Cushing's affects their motor skills? The seizures were "neurological" which I assume meant Cushing's related.

what about this?

[molly muffin]

This sounds more like a strain or injury. How is she doing now?

[1DebbieJo]

Jenny's doing better and I do actually think it was a strain.
Vet said DO NOT give her the Rimydl because it's contraindicated with the phenobarbitol.

However, they are very concerned about jenny's #2 droppings. They are still off and on black, liquid looking and tarry too,

I don't know what a blood test would reveal other than she needs surgery which she'd never survive with her heart.

What do I do? She's eating, playful, loving, etc.

[1DebbieJo]

Ok, rough night for her. She was visibly uncomfortable with her distended tummy. But, I knew that her hind leg was still bothering her although he was now weight bearing. She did come down the stairs this morning and did not weight bare on that one rear leg.

But, her respirations this morning were lower than they were 3 months ago. They were over 130 when first sick. Then stayed at about 88 per minute under the stabilizing meds. This morning she was at 55 which pleased me.

You can just tell she's having an off day. Her regular vet will be there tomorrow and I'll see how the afternoon progresses. I have permission to give her the water pill every six hours instead of eight and that's what I'm going to do.

[1DebbieJo]

Does anyone think that the extra lasek is what's causing the black doodles as in small intestinal bleed? What would cause internal bleeding like that if it WASN'T the lasek?

[1DebbieJo]

Well, this morning I had to take Jenny in.
Rest in peace my beloved baby. We fought the good fight, but God saw that it was time.

Thank you everyone who helped me through this tragedy.

Debbie and her beloved Jen Jen

[molly muffin]

Oh Debbie. :(

I didn't know anything about the lasix causing tar stools. :(

I'm so sorry for the loss of your sweet Jen.

Gosh you two found a long, hard battle and came out on top more often than not.

My sincerest condolences. I know you and your families hearts are broken.

[judymaggie]

Debbie -- my sincerest condolences to you. You definitely provided Jenny with the best possible home and surrounded her with love.

[Budsters Mom]

I am so sorry for your loss.:o

Fly free Jenny, fly free! Soar with the the others! No more meds or pain.

Hugs,
Kathy

[Harley PoMMom]

I am so terribly sorry for the loss of your sweet Jenny, you are in my thoughts and prayers.

With Heartfelt Sympathy, Lori

[budindian]

I'm so sorry for your loss.

[Robert]

You and Jenny fought the good fight. So sorry for your loss and praying for you and Jenny.

[ShibaMom]

I'm so sorry for your loss. Jen Jen was so very fortunate to have you for her mum. You took wonderful care of her, and loved her unconditionally. Rest in your sweet memories of her, and know she's now running free over the rainbow bridge! *hugs*

Sincerely,
Samantha, Zanya and Chip

[1DebbieJo]

Thank you all. Can I have someone's FB page to send Jenny's photo to?
I don't know how to send a photo and cannot even navigate back to the private message I was just sent with a link.

Please help me.

[molly muffin]

Debbie I just sent you a private message.

Open it at the top of your forum page on the right hand side, where it says private messages, that will get you to your private message areas and then just hit reply.

I've given you my facebook info to contact me.

[1DebbieJo]

It's just soo soo tough. She had a really good week last week. Then, yesterday morning, everything changed.

I'm doubly distressed right now for her son, Beamer, with the same heart condition is struggling too right now. So I'm on watch with him right now too.

Jenny's daughter, Amelia, crawled up in bed with me when I laid down and crept up next to my face and licked my tears.

Unconditional, irreplaceable love.
A heart broken Debbie

[LtlBtyRam]

They are just words and although very true they seem so like so little in this trying time. I'm sorry for your loss. My family and I will keep you in our thoughts and prayers.
Angela & Shasta & Family

[molly muffin]

This is a picture of Debbie's sweet Jen Jen.

http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/album.php?albumid=965&pictureid=7658

[Thirsty Frenchy]

Hi Debbie - I never got on your thread before this, but just saw about your loss. Wanted to let you know that I am with you in this grieving time. I lost my baby boy on Tuesday morning. My heart is with you.

[Robert]

So sorry again. Understand re cardiomyopathy - when I iost my Tammy the saturday before the vet was telling me she was going well and tam gave me this look I will never forget - a Ive had enough look that made my stomach turn- and the next thursday I had to let her go. I think they decide when their time is here and as much as they want to stay they can't - they just make the decision as easy as they can. RIP Jen jen you gave her a loved and wondrf life. Looked at her photo- so beautiful and cute

[Dixie'sMom]

I am so terribly sorry for your loss. You were a great mom and did everything possible for your sweet girl. Your devotion to her was a beautiful thing to watch. I know she was proud to have you for her mom. You will be together with your sweet Jen Jen again one day. Until then I will pray for comfort and peace for you and your other pups. I know you will miss her desperately.

[Squirt's Mom]

Dear Debbie,

I am so sorry to hear about our sweet Jen. She has fought so hard for so long, bravely and with your love to sustain her she fought til she could fight no more. She wanted every one of those seconds with you as much as you wanted them with her. And when the battle could not be won again, you gave her the greatest gift of all - freedom from her failing vessel. I know she flew from this old Earth on the wings of your love.

Our deepest sympathies,
Leslie, Trinket, Brick, Sophie, Fox, Redd, and all our Angels



A Simple Message From Your Pet
by Ken D. Conover

To have loved and then said farewell is better than to have never loved at all.
For all of the times that you stooped and touched my head, fed me my favorite treat and
returned the love that I so unconditionally gave to you. For the care that you gave to me
so unselfishly. For all of these things I am grateful and thankful. I ask that you grieve
not for the loss but rejoice in the fact that we lived, loved and touched each other's lives.
My life was fuller because you were there, not as owner, but as my friend. Today, I am
as I was in my youth. The grass is always green, butterflies flit among the flowers and
the sun shines gently down upon all of God's creatures. I can run, jump and play
and do all of the things that I did in my youth. There is no sickness, no aching joints
and no regrets and no aging. We await the arrival of our lifelong companions and know
that togetherness is forever. You live in our hearts as we do in yours. Companions such
as you are very rare and unique. Don't hold the love that you have within yourself.
Give it to another like me and then I will live forever. For love never really dies,
and you are loved and missed as surely as we are.

Your pet in heaven,
Jen Jen

[Bonnie0420]

Debbie, Im so so sorry for your loss. I know exactly what you are going through as we just lost our little girl on monday. As you know and I have found out, this is one awesome group of people. Allow yourself to scream, grieve, yell, cuss, do whatever at the "moment" makes you feel better.
This is a hurt unlike any other I have ever experienced and so so unfair.
I will keep you in my thought and prayers for comfort.
My words seem so insignificant at this time but I grieve with you.

much love and comfort

Bonnie

[1DebbieJo]

Oh thank you Bonnie. I'm so sorry for your loss as well. The pain is just intolerable.

I have a play date next week with Jenny's four surviving pups all aged 7, and her mother Lindsey. I think surrounding me with more furbaby love will help assuage the hurt and loss.

I tried to take her pups that I have, Beamer (who also has the same heart condition as Jenny) and Amelia the tiny little only daughter around the Rose Bowl for my first walk since Jen's passing on Wednesday. Beamer, although on meds, could only go so far, but wanted to run, and Amelia, the little miss priss only wanted to be carried, but we tried.

I'll say a prayer for all of us who've recently lost our furbabies.
Jenny and I fought the good fight. The ONLY good news was that on medication for Cushing's, her disease was under control. Eventually it was Jenny's cardiomyopathy that caused the end of her life.

Thank you for talking to me. Only someone else in the same level of grief today understands my tears.

XO

[molly muffin]

Thinking of you Debbie.

We know it is hard, as most of us have been in your footstep at one time or another. It is especially hard when you lose your heart dog.

I hope Beamer and Amelia enjoyed their walk (or carry). I'm sure it was very hard for you to get through.

hugs

[Bonnie0420]

Hey Debbie,
Just thinking about you and hoping your day was a little better, just remember it's day by day.
hugs

Bonnie