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Baileypony
02-05-2010, 06:04 PM
I am writing to introduce my dear Bailey. Bailey is a Golden mixed with Chow and Border collie, who we estimate to be about 9.5 years old. He is 50 lbs. We rescued him through a Golden Retriever rescue almost 4 years ago. He came in as a stray, who had obviously been severely abused by humans and dogs alike. He has 3 dog siblings who we happily say are adopted, but we always say I birthed Bailey. He is incredibly special to us.

He came to us very sick and we have since battled many illnesses with him. Among the highlights are two bouts each of ehrlichia and valley fever, a tplo, and mild degenerative valve disease. It is horrifying to imagine his previous living situation and to believe that these conditions went untreated.

He has been struggling with his current symptoms for one and a half years now. We have visited five regular veterinarians and two internal medicine specialists regarding these issues. He has had many tests run without a definitive diagnosis.

Bailey’s initial and most severe symptom is polydipsia. When this first presented, he was diagnosed by ultrasound and urinalysis with pyelenonephritis. However no bacteria were found on the culture. He was treated with long-term Clavamox and showed dramatic improvements. Unfortunately, shortly after stopping treatments, the symptoms reappeared.

For the last year, we have been battling what look like frequent urinary tract infections. Despite numerous cultures, no bacteria have ever shown up. He has been treated by a multitude of antibiotics, both short and long term, with mixed results. At times he has responded to antibiotics with much decreased water consumption, increased energy, and a better mood. Other times no response is seen. It has been difficult for us and our veterinarian to determine whether an infection is present at various times. In the past we were certain an infection was present as he had much increased drinking, pus, leakage, licking, and nocturia. Those symptoms would clear up after a round of antibiotics. Now it seems that an infection can clear up, but return while he is still on antibiotics. We haven’t been able to figure out when and if he has an infection, why the mixed results with antibiotics, and why his water drinking is sometimes improved by the antibiotics.

His symptoms have progressed from when they emerged. He currently drinks very excessively, has off and on problems with leakage, and frequently wets his bed at night. He is like a camel storing his pee. He has constant access to our yard with a doggy door. We also take him on a bedtime walk. He will pee a ton, not drink anymore water, but still wet his bed.

We bought a refractometer and over the last year we have carefully measured his urine specific gravity. It generally ranges from 1002-1012, even first thing in the morning. On antibiotics, we sometimes see 1010-1020. When he finished his initial treatment from the kidney infection, we recorded 1026. We underwent a seven day Diabetes Insipidus trial with Desmopressin. Once again Bailey showed mixed results. He ranged from 1004-1033, which was the highest specific gravity we have received. He seemed to require a greater dose of the Desmopressin as the trial progressed, and we did continually up his dosage. We had some recordings of 1015-1025, but also showed some 1004-1006 readings. His water consumption seemed to dramatically decrease at times during the trial and other times he had his abnormal drinking. I know that Cushings dogs can have a positive response to Desmopressin, but we are unaware if his results offer any diagnostic value.

About six months ago, Bailey started to exhibit more obvious signs of Cushings such as increased shedding, which resulted in a very thin haircoat and polyphagia. This continued for approximately two months and then the symptoms subsided. We don’t know if the waxing and waning of symptoms coincides with Cushings disease, or perhaps was related to something else. He was treated for valley fever and ehrlichia as both titers returned during this period. Thankfully he has finished treatment for both of these.

With his recent Adrenal panel, we think we are closer to having a diagnosis of Atypical Cushings. I have ordered the flax hulls powder from www.flaxhulls.com. Given that his hair coat is pretty good, I am unsure whether to add the melatonin. I am also unsure how concerned we should be about the presence of an adrenal tumor with the low aldosterone. How likely is it that it would not have shown up on two ultrasounds? Any info on the best dosage of flax hulls and how long it will be before we can hope to see results would be much appreciated.

I realize this is a lengthy history and appreciate you reading this book. This board contains so much valuable information and people. I would be very interested to hear suggestions, comments, and anything that can help us find the way.

Thanks

Cheryl


1/25/10 – U of T Adrenal Panel (Combined Dex Supp/ACTH Stim)
Test, Result baseline, Normal Range*, Dex. Suppression 4 hrs,ACTH Stim Result 6 hrs, Normal Range* for ACTH Stim

Cortisol ng/ml 51.5 2.0-56.5 2.8 83.7 70.6-151.2
Androstenedione ng/ml 1.3* 0.05-0.36 0.17 1.30 .24-2.90
Estradiol pg/ml 60.6 23.1-65.1 57.1 49.3 23.3-69.4
Progesterone ng/ml 0.33* 0.01-0.17 0.08 0.78 .22-1.45
17 OH Progesterone ng/ml 0.28* 0.01-0.22 0.05 0.83 0.25-2.63
Aldosterone pg/ml ** 57.2 3.5-139.9 <11.0 63.7 72.9-398.5

These results [X] indicate presence of increased adrenal activity.
Comments: There is some indication of increased adrenal activity, with increase in some hormone levels at baseline. The dex suppression value would indicate this to be a pituitary-dependent condition. Values at stim are normal, except for a low aldosterone value (the latter can indicate the presence of a primary adrenal tumor). Consider items 1 and 4 on the treatment option sheet attached. Also, just the low-dose ketoconazole in item 8 on the TO sheet could be considered.

4/17/09 – U of T Adrenal Panel (Combined Dex Supp/ACTH Stim)
Test, Result baseline, Normal Range*, Dex. Suppression 4 hrs,ACTH Stim Result 6 hrs, Normal Range* for ACTH Stim
Cortisol ng/ml 29.5 2.0-56.5 5.5 98.4 70.6-151.2
Androstenedione ng/ml 0.68* 0.05-0.36 0.06 2.0 0.24-2.90
Estradiol pg/ml 25.1 23.1-65.1 32.8 40.2 23.3-69.4
Progesterone ng/ml 0.26* 0.01-0.17 0.07 1.32 0.22-1.45
17 OH Progesterone ng/ml 0.29* 0.01-0.22 0.09 1.66 0.25-2.63
Aldosterone pg/ml ** <11.0* 3.5-139.9 <11.0 14.0* 72.9-398.5

These results: [?] indicate the presence of increased adrenal activity
Comments: Three baseline hormones are marginally to mildly elevated. There was normal suppression on cortisol (<10 ng/ml) at 4 hours post-dexamethasone. Other hormones were also suppressed by dexamethasone except for estradiol which is not unusual. Post-ACTH hormones are within normal range except for aldosterone which is low. Low aldosterone may correlate with the small adrenals observed on ultrasound however other adrenal hormones are not low. Aldosterone may be affected by sodium/potassium/water balance at time of testing. You may consider re-testing aldosterone to assure result. It is difficult to assess the diagnostic value of the marginally elevated baseline hormones when post-ACTH hormones are within normal range. Various treatment option considerations are attached.

11/4/09- Chem Profile and CBC
ALP – 788 U/L, Reference Range 20-150
MO% - 6.7%, Reference Range 2-4
HGB – 20.3 g/dl, Reference Range 12-18
MCH – 24.5 pg, Reference Range 19.5-24.5
MCHC – 37.7 g/dl, Reference Range 31-34
PLT – 117, Reference Range 200-500
MPV – 11.5, Reference Range 3.9-11.1

7/18/09 – Chem Profile and CBC
ALP – 1019 U/L, Reference Range 10-150
Albumin – 2.3 g/dl, Reference Range 2.5-4.0
Triglyceride – 189 mg/dL, Reference Range 20-150
T4 – 1.1 ug/dL, Reference Range 0.9-3.9

11/24/08 – Chem Profile and CBC
ALP – 101 U/L (Normal)
Chloride – 116 mEq/L, Reference Range 105-115

5/6/08- Chem Profile and CBC
ALP – 179 IU/L, Reference Range 5-131
CPK – 57 IU/L, Reference Range 59-895

5/22/06- Chem Profile and CBC
ALP – 189 U/L, Reference Range 10-150
Albumin – 2.3 g/dl, Reference Range 2.5-4.0

5/15/08- Thyroid Panel
T4 1.53, 1.0-4.0
T3 (RIA) 68, 45-150

2/27/09 – Urine Cortisol/Creatinine Ratio
Urine Cortisol – 4.7 ug/dL
Urine Creatinine – 116.9 mg/dL
Urine Cortisol/Creat Ratio – 13
Urine Cortisol:Creatinine ratios <13.5 rules out hyperadrenocorticism

1/12/09 – Urine Cortisol/Creatinine Ratio
Urine Cortisol – 2.4 ug/dL
Urine Creatinine – 57.4 mg/dL
Urine Cortisol/Creat Ratio – 13
Urine Cortisol:Creatinine ratios <13.5 rules out hyperadrenocorticism

8/14/09 – Urine Bile Acid: Creatinine Ratio and Urine Protein Creatinine Ratio
Normal

9/24/09 - Abdominal Ultrasound
Normal Abdominal Ultrasound
Left Adrenal – 0.51 cm width cranial pole, 0.43 cm width caudal pole
Right Adrenal – 0.55 cm width cranial pole, 0.62 width caudal pole

2/10/09 – Abdominal Ultrasound
A lot of abnormal findings consistent with the kidney infection
Adrenal Glands were small, but Bailey was on fluconazole.

maggiebeagle
02-05-2010, 07:04 PM
Welcome Cheryl and Bailey. I hope you find this forum offers you as much comfort as it did for me.
Virginia and Angel Maggie

littleone1
02-05-2010, 08:05 PM
Hi Cheryl,

Corky and I would like to welcome you and Bailey. I'm sorry for the issues that Bailey has been dealing with. I know that there can be so many issues that our furbabies have.

This is a wonderful group that you have found. Others will be along that have much more experience with these than I have.

Terri

Buffaloe
02-05-2010, 08:15 PM
Hi Cheryl and welcome,

Your Bailey sure sounds like a great dog.

Back in 2006, we also had the combination ACTH/LDDS test with a full adrenal panel done at Tennessee. The written results were not clear/definitive so I contacted Dr. Jack Oliver via e-mail. He provided me with alot more information and it directly led to us determining that Shiloh had a primary adrenal tumor. I suggest you e-mail Dr. Oliver and ask him to review your test results and see what he thinks...pituitary tumor, adrenal tumor, atypical...I believe he can clarify things for you significantly. He is a great man.

Shiloh's adrenal tumor showed up like bright lights in Vegas on her first ultrasound. If no indication of an adrenal tumor showed up on either of Bailey's ultrasounds, IMO it is very highly unlikely that he has an adrenal tumor. When Shi had her adrenal tumor, her aldosterone was significantly elevated. I do not know that low aldosterone points to an adrenal tumor; it could but not that I am aware of. Shiloh's healthy adrenal gland was 0.43 cm. in diameter and was characterized as being of normal size and shape. She weighs 70 pounds.

I strongly doubt that Bailey has an adrenal tumor. The combination test you had done is an excellent diagnostic test. I encourage you to contact Dr. Oliver to obtain all of the information possible. I am confident he can tell you ALOT more than what you have in writing. Trust me on this one. Do it for Bailey.

Ken

frijole
02-05-2010, 08:19 PM
Cheryl,

I am so glad Ken happened to see this and respond. I also was going to ask if you had contacted Dr Oliver at U TN. He usually is the one that writes the comments on the test results. He is an expert and has helped lots of our members over the years. So do NOT be afraid to contact him. He will respond and normally quickly.

My dog was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago with pituitary cushings and uses lysodren so I am not an expert in atypical - however we have plenty of members that do have experience so keep checking in.

And hugs to our newest member Bailey. :)

Kim

Franklin'sMum
02-06-2010, 08:26 AM
Hi Cheryl,

Welcome to you and Bailey. I can't help you with any of your questions, but others who know plenty more than me will probably be able to. I hope that things settle down for you and Bailey.
Hugs to Bailey,

Jane and Franklin xx
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LovelyWendie99 (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)

frijole
02-06-2010, 11:33 AM
bumping up

Squirt's Mom
02-06-2010, 02:03 PM
Hi Cheryl,

Welcome to you and Bailey! :)

I have been reading and rereading your post looking for that "AH HA!" that points to Cushing's...I just don't see it. What I see is a pup that has been under stress for most of his life psychologically, emotionally and physically. His current health status supports that observation. The UC:CRs rule out Cushing's, tho it is close.


2/10/09 – Abdominal Ultrasound
A lot of abnormal findings consistent with the kidney infection
Adrenal Glands were small, but Bailey was on fluconazole.

What kind of infection does Bailey have and what were the abnormal findings attributed to the infection?

Did Dr Oliver recommend starting him on the lignans (hulls) and melatonin? If so, then I would do that and see if things improve for him over the next 3-4 months. And I would use both the lignans and the melatonin together. It is the combination of these that work in Atypical. Be sure to get the regular melatonin, not time released, extended, etc. I have to say that I am confused by the test results since all the posts are within normal range and am not sure the lignans and melatonin will benefit him much as a result but they are certainly worth a try.

Is Bailey on any meds, supplements, herbs, etc. at the moment? If so, what and how much? What does his diet consist of?

Are they sure the ehrlichia and valley fever are gone? We had a member a while back who's pup had been infected with Valley Fever and kept coming back with weird test results that might or might not indicate Cushing's. It turned out that Max did not have Cushing's, it was the Valley Fever than was causing all his problems long after it had been "cleared". TBD can also have long lasting effects.

One of our members is a lab tech and I hope she will be by soon to give her input on the labs you have posted.

I'm glad you are here and hope to learn more about you and Bailey as time passes. His story isn't the usual ones we see here so don't be surprised if we ask bunches of questions...more than normal. :p We so do only to try to get the best picture of Bailey's situation that we can...tho you have an excellent beginning on providing info! ;) Things are kinda slow on weekends at times so don't get discouraged if we are slow to respond.

Hugs,
Leslie and the girls - always

mypuppy
02-07-2010, 10:11 AM
Welcome Cheryl & Bailey,
I am so sorry for Bailey's health issues, but do not fret, there is always hope waiting around the corner, so STAY ON BOARD, b/c you will be receiving such valuable, caring, loving support from everyone on this forum, and soon enough things will start falling into place for your little boy Bailey, as they did for my precious girl Princess. You and Bailey are truly loved! Best regards, xo Jeanette & Princess

jrepac
02-08-2010, 01:01 PM
A lot of data there, but the UCCR indicates that it is not "regular" Cushings....

I'm sure if you contact Dr. Oliver at UTK (even by email) he will respond to you...

If you are dealing w/only Atypical Cushings, the combination of melatonin + lignans (flax hulls or capsules) will help, but will need to be given for 3/4 months continuously to see a difference.

Having been down this route (w/both versions of the disease present), it was not until Month 3 that I noticed a real response to the treatment.

Luckily, these are slow moving conditions, so it just takes some time and patience (unfortunately).

Jeff